billvon 3,076 #26 August 25, 2011 >there are no fucking grizzly bears in Yosemite. Well, true, but it sounds a lot less cool to say "I need my .45 to defend myself against rampaging raccoons bent on violence." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #27 August 25, 2011 Quote>there are no fucking grizzly bears in Yosemite. Well, true, but it sounds a lot less cool to say "I need my .45 to defend myself against rampaging raccoons bent on violence." Probably meant Yellowstone, since there was a fatal attack there last year and another just a month or so ago, both evidently by grizzlies. Of course, that wouldn't let you get that dig in, now would it?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #28 August 26, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteA gunsmith that makes 'guide guns' for Alaskan bush pilots bases them off the 45-70 lever action and goes up from there. Yet the professionals that have the absolute most experience in dealing with grizzlies say the spray is the most effective solution. Hmmm, go fig. Where did he claim that a gun was the most effective solution for the situation? Where did he suggest using a spray? He didn't. He suggested using a gun as if that is the answer to all life's problems. It isn't. Depends on what caliber a needledick will fit in!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #29 August 26, 2011 QuoteQuote Then there is the portion of the human population that freezes under pressure. For them, it makes no difference what they carry. They will panic and die regardless. Which group do you fit in? Input from yet another person with a superman, I can do what other mortal men can not, fantasy. Hilarious. Maybe I can, maybe I can't. You don't know. Care to answer the question or are you going to continue to make smartassed remarks?HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #30 August 26, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuote Then there is the portion of the human population that freezes under pressure. For them, it makes no difference what they carry. They will panic and die regardless. Which group do you fit in? Input from yet another person with a superman, I can do what other mortal men can not, fantasy. Hilarious. Maybe I can, maybe I can't. You don't know. Care to answer the question or are you going to continue to make smartassed remarks? "Smartassed," said the male donkey?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanJohnson 0 #31 August 26, 2011 *** I wonder if they also perfer that railings not be installed above the waterfall, Quote I recommend that railings not be erected above waterfalls , look outs, etc. The way I see it is that railings and other safety(enabling) devices give people a false sense of security and open us up to lawsuits if/when those features fail to protect . I say leave natural areas natural and allow natural instincts to control behavior. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #32 August 26, 2011 500 S & W should do"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DanJohnson 0 #33 August 26, 2011 ***what the fuck is this statement for? nobody advocated running around wasting animals in a hail of gunfireQuote I don't see too many trying to shut down the wars ,as a matter of fact a quick search of the archives here suggest that the majority support just that , "wasting animals in a hail of gunfire". "Shock and Awe" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Belgian_Draft 0 #34 August 26, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Then there is the portion of the human population that freezes under pressure. For them, it makes no difference what they carry. They will panic and die regardless. Which group do you fit in? Input from yet another person with a superman, I can do what other mortal men can not, fantasy. Hilarious. Maybe I can, maybe I can't. You don't know. Care to answer the question or are you going to continue to make smartassed remarks? "Smartassed," said the male donkey? Since you can't decide which group you would be in, we can safely assume, due to your indecidedness, that you would merely panic and become a meal.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #35 August 26, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Then there is the portion of the human population that freezes under pressure. For them, it makes no difference what they carry. They will panic and die regardless. Which group do you fit in? Input from yet another person with a superman, I can do what other mortal men can not, fantasy. Hilarious. Maybe I can, maybe I can't. You don't know. Care to answer the question or are you going to continue to make smartassed remarks? "Smartassed," said the male donkey? Since you can't decide which group you would be in, we can safely assume, due to your indecidedness, that you would merely panic and become a meal. Bear meat is some tasty stuff... once you get past the fucking smell as you gut and skin the thing out..... N A S T Y... and the carcas hanging... looks a hell of a lot like a human... that kinda creeped me out a little in the dimly lit garage Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Belgian_Draft 0 #36 August 26, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Then there is the portion of the human population that freezes under pressure. For them, it makes no difference what they carry. They will panic and die regardless. Which group do you fit in? Input from yet another person with a superman, I can do what other mortal men can not, fantasy. Hilarious. Maybe I can, maybe I can't. You don't know. Care to answer the question or are you going to continue to make smartassed remarks? "Smartassed," said the male donkey? Since you can't decide which group you would be in, we can safely assume, due to your indecidedness, that you would merely panic and become a meal. Bear meat is some tasty stuff... once you get past the fucking smell as you gut and skin the thing out..... N A S T Y... and the carcas hanging... looks a hell of a lot like a human... that kinda creeped me out a little in the dimly lit garage Yep..tasty! I've taken two Newfoundland black bear, both with a bow at less than 14 yards. Both males, first weighed 255, second topped out the 350 lb scale (barely). Made into as much jerky as we could an the rest into ground for burgers & chili.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NewGuy2005 53 #37 August 26, 2011 Quote Bear meat is some tasty stuff... once you get past the fucking smell as you gut and skin the thing out..... N A S T Y... and the carcas hanging... looks a hell of a lot like a human... that kinda creeped me out a little in the dimly lit garage... ...but it's not like there's never been any skinned humans hanging in my dimly lit garage before. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freethefly 6 #38 August 26, 2011 QuoteOne was a grizzly bear attack - he might have lived if he had a gun available with which to defend himself. The incident occurred in Yellowstone. He would, most likely, be alive if he paid attention to the sign. http://www.examiner.com/luxury-travel-in-san-francisco/yellowstone-bear-attack-victim-how-it-unfolded From the article: Despite a posted bear warning sign at the trail head, the couple were not carrying pepper spray, weapons or wearing items like bells to deter animals that might approach them. Some reports have been made that the couple had already spotted the bear earlier and continued hiking. There also was a new closure for trails south of Wapiti Lake Trail and east of Yellowstone River due to a sow and cubs who were a known issue in the area (according to the Backcountry Office at Canyon). From the NPS Report: Bear attacks are extremely rare. No one was hurt by a bear in Yellowstone in 2010. This is the first time a human has been killed by a bear in the park since 1986."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #39 August 30, 2011 QuoteInput from yet another person with a superman, I can do what other mortal men can not, fantasy. Hilarious. Another PA from a mod.... Sad. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites steve1 5 #40 August 31, 2011 I read yesterday, that another person was killed by a Grizzly in Yellowstone Park. That makes two this year. Bear Spray may work just fine, or not in some situations. To say that bear spray is best and that a gun will probably make the situation worse, just isn't true. Most people carry what they feel would best protect them in bear country. I've yet to see any Fish Wildlife and Parks people who pack bear spray. If it is so much better, why don't they carry the stuff. Nearly all of them pack pistols though. I know of one Fish Wildlife and Parks employee, who was unloading a trapped grizzly out of a barrel type trap that was on the back of a pickup. The bear got ahold of him and chewed him up good. The thing that saved him was a 357 pistol that he was carrying on his hip. He killed the bear with it. Bears can be stopped with a pistol, but I'd sure hate to try it. But then again I'd rather have a pistol than bear spray. It's a personal choice. If I was to pick a pistol it would be probably be a 44 magnum (or bigger). I don't own one so I sometimes pack a 357 in bear country. It's too small, but it might work just fine. I don't know what the new regs are, in National Parks. I doubt if you can carry a rifle or shotgun (with slugs). I would much prefer that, over a pistol. It was mentioned earlier, that the experts in bear country are choosing pepper spray. I know that isn't the case. I've a friend who was a Bush Pilot in Alaska. They never carried bear spray. It was usually a 338 magnum rifle. And yes he was able to stop one charging grizzly, at close range, with that rifle. I've known others who have stopped charging bears, with rifles. I don't know of anyone who has had the situation get worse, because they had a firearm.... I know one guy who markets bear spray. I met him shortly after he moved to Montana from California (about 35 years ago). I guess bear spray saved him one day. But he also was chewed up really bad. The grizzly actually had his head in it's mouth, a couple different times. He has the picture of himself, with blood running down his face (on the bear spray that he advertises). It doesn't say how he got all the blood all over. Maybe that wouldn't help him market his product. Maybe this is a good example of what can happen, when you try to defend yourself with bear spray.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 2 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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rushmc 23 #32 August 26, 2011 500 S & W should do"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanJohnson 0 #33 August 26, 2011 ***what the fuck is this statement for? nobody advocated running around wasting animals in a hail of gunfireQuote I don't see too many trying to shut down the wars ,as a matter of fact a quick search of the archives here suggest that the majority support just that , "wasting animals in a hail of gunfire". "Shock and Awe" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Belgian_Draft 0 #34 August 26, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Then there is the portion of the human population that freezes under pressure. For them, it makes no difference what they carry. They will panic and die regardless. Which group do you fit in? Input from yet another person with a superman, I can do what other mortal men can not, fantasy. Hilarious. Maybe I can, maybe I can't. You don't know. Care to answer the question or are you going to continue to make smartassed remarks? "Smartassed," said the male donkey? Since you can't decide which group you would be in, we can safely assume, due to your indecidedness, that you would merely panic and become a meal.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #35 August 26, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Then there is the portion of the human population that freezes under pressure. For them, it makes no difference what they carry. They will panic and die regardless. Which group do you fit in? Input from yet another person with a superman, I can do what other mortal men can not, fantasy. Hilarious. Maybe I can, maybe I can't. You don't know. Care to answer the question or are you going to continue to make smartassed remarks? "Smartassed," said the male donkey? Since you can't decide which group you would be in, we can safely assume, due to your indecidedness, that you would merely panic and become a meal. Bear meat is some tasty stuff... once you get past the fucking smell as you gut and skin the thing out..... N A S T Y... and the carcas hanging... looks a hell of a lot like a human... that kinda creeped me out a little in the dimly lit garage Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Belgian_Draft 0 #36 August 26, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Then there is the portion of the human population that freezes under pressure. For them, it makes no difference what they carry. They will panic and die regardless. Which group do you fit in? Input from yet another person with a superman, I can do what other mortal men can not, fantasy. Hilarious. Maybe I can, maybe I can't. You don't know. Care to answer the question or are you going to continue to make smartassed remarks? "Smartassed," said the male donkey? Since you can't decide which group you would be in, we can safely assume, due to your indecidedness, that you would merely panic and become a meal. Bear meat is some tasty stuff... once you get past the fucking smell as you gut and skin the thing out..... N A S T Y... and the carcas hanging... looks a hell of a lot like a human... that kinda creeped me out a little in the dimly lit garage Yep..tasty! I've taken two Newfoundland black bear, both with a bow at less than 14 yards. Both males, first weighed 255, second topped out the 350 lb scale (barely). Made into as much jerky as we could an the rest into ground for burgers & chili.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NewGuy2005 53 #37 August 26, 2011 Quote Bear meat is some tasty stuff... once you get past the fucking smell as you gut and skin the thing out..... N A S T Y... and the carcas hanging... looks a hell of a lot like a human... that kinda creeped me out a little in the dimly lit garage... ...but it's not like there's never been any skinned humans hanging in my dimly lit garage before. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freethefly 6 #38 August 26, 2011 QuoteOne was a grizzly bear attack - he might have lived if he had a gun available with which to defend himself. The incident occurred in Yellowstone. He would, most likely, be alive if he paid attention to the sign. http://www.examiner.com/luxury-travel-in-san-francisco/yellowstone-bear-attack-victim-how-it-unfolded From the article: Despite a posted bear warning sign at the trail head, the couple were not carrying pepper spray, weapons or wearing items like bells to deter animals that might approach them. Some reports have been made that the couple had already spotted the bear earlier and continued hiking. There also was a new closure for trails south of Wapiti Lake Trail and east of Yellowstone River due to a sow and cubs who were a known issue in the area (according to the Backcountry Office at Canyon). From the NPS Report: Bear attacks are extremely rare. No one was hurt by a bear in Yellowstone in 2010. This is the first time a human has been killed by a bear in the park since 1986."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #39 August 30, 2011 QuoteInput from yet another person with a superman, I can do what other mortal men can not, fantasy. Hilarious. Another PA from a mod.... Sad. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites steve1 5 #40 August 31, 2011 I read yesterday, that another person was killed by a Grizzly in Yellowstone Park. That makes two this year. Bear Spray may work just fine, or not in some situations. To say that bear spray is best and that a gun will probably make the situation worse, just isn't true. Most people carry what they feel would best protect them in bear country. I've yet to see any Fish Wildlife and Parks people who pack bear spray. If it is so much better, why don't they carry the stuff. Nearly all of them pack pistols though. I know of one Fish Wildlife and Parks employee, who was unloading a trapped grizzly out of a barrel type trap that was on the back of a pickup. The bear got ahold of him and chewed him up good. The thing that saved him was a 357 pistol that he was carrying on his hip. He killed the bear with it. Bears can be stopped with a pistol, but I'd sure hate to try it. But then again I'd rather have a pistol than bear spray. It's a personal choice. If I was to pick a pistol it would be probably be a 44 magnum (or bigger). I don't own one so I sometimes pack a 357 in bear country. It's too small, but it might work just fine. I don't know what the new regs are, in National Parks. I doubt if you can carry a rifle or shotgun (with slugs). I would much prefer that, over a pistol. It was mentioned earlier, that the experts in bear country are choosing pepper spray. I know that isn't the case. I've a friend who was a Bush Pilot in Alaska. They never carried bear spray. It was usually a 338 magnum rifle. And yes he was able to stop one charging grizzly, at close range, with that rifle. I've known others who have stopped charging bears, with rifles. I don't know of anyone who has had the situation get worse, because they had a firearm.... I know one guy who markets bear spray. I met him shortly after he moved to Montana from California (about 35 years ago). I guess bear spray saved him one day. But he also was chewed up really bad. The grizzly actually had his head in it's mouth, a couple different times. He has the picture of himself, with blood running down his face (on the bear spray that he advertises). It doesn't say how he got all the blood all over. Maybe that wouldn't help him market his product. Maybe this is a good example of what can happen, when you try to defend yourself with bear spray.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 2 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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Belgian_Draft 0 #34 August 26, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Then there is the portion of the human population that freezes under pressure. For them, it makes no difference what they carry. They will panic and die regardless. Which group do you fit in? Input from yet another person with a superman, I can do what other mortal men can not, fantasy. Hilarious. Maybe I can, maybe I can't. You don't know. Care to answer the question or are you going to continue to make smartassed remarks? "Smartassed," said the male donkey? Since you can't decide which group you would be in, we can safely assume, due to your indecidedness, that you would merely panic and become a meal.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #35 August 26, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Then there is the portion of the human population that freezes under pressure. For them, it makes no difference what they carry. They will panic and die regardless. Which group do you fit in? Input from yet another person with a superman, I can do what other mortal men can not, fantasy. Hilarious. Maybe I can, maybe I can't. You don't know. Care to answer the question or are you going to continue to make smartassed remarks? "Smartassed," said the male donkey? Since you can't decide which group you would be in, we can safely assume, due to your indecidedness, that you would merely panic and become a meal. Bear meat is some tasty stuff... once you get past the fucking smell as you gut and skin the thing out..... N A S T Y... and the carcas hanging... looks a hell of a lot like a human... that kinda creeped me out a little in the dimly lit garage Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #36 August 26, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Then there is the portion of the human population that freezes under pressure. For them, it makes no difference what they carry. They will panic and die regardless. Which group do you fit in? Input from yet another person with a superman, I can do what other mortal men can not, fantasy. Hilarious. Maybe I can, maybe I can't. You don't know. Care to answer the question or are you going to continue to make smartassed remarks? "Smartassed," said the male donkey? Since you can't decide which group you would be in, we can safely assume, due to your indecidedness, that you would merely panic and become a meal. Bear meat is some tasty stuff... once you get past the fucking smell as you gut and skin the thing out..... N A S T Y... and the carcas hanging... looks a hell of a lot like a human... that kinda creeped me out a little in the dimly lit garage Yep..tasty! I've taken two Newfoundland black bear, both with a bow at less than 14 yards. Both males, first weighed 255, second topped out the 350 lb scale (barely). Made into as much jerky as we could an the rest into ground for burgers & chili.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewGuy2005 53 #37 August 26, 2011 Quote Bear meat is some tasty stuff... once you get past the fucking smell as you gut and skin the thing out..... N A S T Y... and the carcas hanging... looks a hell of a lot like a human... that kinda creeped me out a little in the dimly lit garage... ...but it's not like there's never been any skinned humans hanging in my dimly lit garage before. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #38 August 26, 2011 QuoteOne was a grizzly bear attack - he might have lived if he had a gun available with which to defend himself. The incident occurred in Yellowstone. He would, most likely, be alive if he paid attention to the sign. http://www.examiner.com/luxury-travel-in-san-francisco/yellowstone-bear-attack-victim-how-it-unfolded From the article: Despite a posted bear warning sign at the trail head, the couple were not carrying pepper spray, weapons or wearing items like bells to deter animals that might approach them. Some reports have been made that the couple had already spotted the bear earlier and continued hiking. There also was a new closure for trails south of Wapiti Lake Trail and east of Yellowstone River due to a sow and cubs who were a known issue in the area (according to the Backcountry Office at Canyon). From the NPS Report: Bear attacks are extremely rare. No one was hurt by a bear in Yellowstone in 2010. This is the first time a human has been killed by a bear in the park since 1986."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #39 August 30, 2011 QuoteInput from yet another person with a superman, I can do what other mortal men can not, fantasy. Hilarious. Another PA from a mod.... Sad. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve1 5 #40 August 31, 2011 I read yesterday, that another person was killed by a Grizzly in Yellowstone Park. That makes two this year. Bear Spray may work just fine, or not in some situations. To say that bear spray is best and that a gun will probably make the situation worse, just isn't true. Most people carry what they feel would best protect them in bear country. I've yet to see any Fish Wildlife and Parks people who pack bear spray. If it is so much better, why don't they carry the stuff. Nearly all of them pack pistols though. I know of one Fish Wildlife and Parks employee, who was unloading a trapped grizzly out of a barrel type trap that was on the back of a pickup. The bear got ahold of him and chewed him up good. The thing that saved him was a 357 pistol that he was carrying on his hip. He killed the bear with it. Bears can be stopped with a pistol, but I'd sure hate to try it. But then again I'd rather have a pistol than bear spray. It's a personal choice. If I was to pick a pistol it would be probably be a 44 magnum (or bigger). I don't own one so I sometimes pack a 357 in bear country. It's too small, but it might work just fine. I don't know what the new regs are, in National Parks. I doubt if you can carry a rifle or shotgun (with slugs). I would much prefer that, over a pistol. It was mentioned earlier, that the experts in bear country are choosing pepper spray. I know that isn't the case. I've a friend who was a Bush Pilot in Alaska. They never carried bear spray. It was usually a 338 magnum rifle. And yes he was able to stop one charging grizzly, at close range, with that rifle. I've known others who have stopped charging bears, with rifles. I don't know of anyone who has had the situation get worse, because they had a firearm.... I know one guy who markets bear spray. I met him shortly after he moved to Montana from California (about 35 years ago). I guess bear spray saved him one day. But he also was chewed up really bad. The grizzly actually had his head in it's mouth, a couple different times. He has the picture of himself, with blood running down his face (on the bear spray that he advertises). It doesn't say how he got all the blood all over. Maybe that wouldn't help him market his product. Maybe this is a good example of what can happen, when you try to defend yourself with bear spray.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
