normiss 851 #1 September 1, 2011 Are you ready for some football??? I thought the president was supposed to be a LEADER!?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #2 September 1, 2011 What an idiotic move. if it was unintentional - then he comes across as arrogant, idiotic, and self centered if it was on purpose to create some kind of conflict with congress - then he comes across as idiotic only no win here for whoever advised a last minute notice for this type of meeting ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wayneflorida 0 #3 September 1, 2011 Why does he have to give this speech before the Congress? Seems a Oval office speech would do. Football -- yes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #4 September 1, 2011 I'm glad he changed the date, much better too watch the Republicans start eating each other alive uninerupted. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #5 September 1, 2011 Actually - I think this is a big to do about nothing. Pres recommends a date (albeit a press release is a stupid way to do it prior to getting everything confirmed) - congress checked their calendar and recommended an alternate date - they both agreed on the final date. no big deal I'm not sure what the point is about the headlines using the phrase "backing down" is all about. must be a slow news day....... the real question should be whether any of us expect him to announce a real 'plan' vs just more fail 'stimulus' vs just making a pretty and impotent speech - again ...vs just blaming something or someone else is a given - it will happen ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #6 September 1, 2011 Quotethe real question should be whether any of us expect him to announce a real 'plan' vs just more fail 'stimulus' The President has never hesitated to announce a plan. His plans are usually planning to announce a plan on how to plan the plans and planning to plan out the plans for the planners who will plan out the planners and plan the planning, thus planning to plan a plan that the planners plan to plan out, resulting in a final plan to plan the initial steps of the plans. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #7 September 1, 2011 The "new plan" is the same failed old "plan" nothing new. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #8 September 1, 2011 Yep More and bigger porkulus Something he knows he can not get through (the bigger the better) Then he will claim the R's would not let him fix the fucking mess he has exacerbated. (By a factor of at least 10)"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #9 September 1, 2011 QuoteWhy does he have to give this speech before the Congress? For the vast majority of Americans, it is the #1 issue. I suppose if you're one of the fortunate ones that has managed to keep his job and aren't suffering any effects of the recession, then you might not care. That said, that vast majority of us do care. Ya know, there actually is a form of government worse than socialism -- it's called apathy.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #10 September 1, 2011 Today's Gallup Poll showed that 89% of the people who heard of this story don't give a shit. The rest are people who blog regularly in political forums and, for some reason, Gypsies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #11 September 1, 2011 QuoteQuoteWhy does he have to give this speech before the Congress? For the vast majority of Americans, it is the #1 issue. I suppose if you're one of the fortunate ones that has managed to keep his job and aren't suffering any effects of the recession, then you might not care. That said, that vast majority of us do care. Ya know, there actually is a form of government worse than socialism -- it's called apathy. Yep, and now the lack of apathy is what is going to rip the libs world apart a year from Nov."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgoose71 0 #12 September 1, 2011 Of course, all of this could have been avoided if he gave his speech before he went on vacation. Now it's turning into a circus. Seriously, when are we going to here about this plan to save the economy? Is just trying to give us a dramatic pause? I know a lot of people that have been in a state of dramatic pause sense he took office. To borrow one of his lines from the campaign trail, "It's the economy, stupid.""There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #13 September 1, 2011 Quote To borrow one of his lines from the campaign trail, "It's the economy, stupid." Wow, you really are living the past. About 20 years. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_the_economy_stupid quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wayneflorida 0 #14 September 2, 2011 QuoteQuoteWhy does he have to give this speech before the Congress? For the vast majority of Americans, it is the #1 issue. I suppose if you're one of the fortunate ones that has managed to keep his job and aren't suffering any effects of the recession, then you might not care. That said, that vast majority of us do care. Ya know, there actually is a form of government worse than socialism -- it's called apathy. This spring, instead of using good tv time picking his basketball brackets maybe he should have given a speech/plan about jobs. He would be six months ahead of the game. That's what I call apathy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #15 September 2, 2011 Quote More and bigger porkulus Barbara Lee wants him to spend 500B on job training. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #16 September 2, 2011 QuoteQuote More and bigger porkulus Barbara Lee wants him to spend 500B on job training. Excellent strategy...training for jobs that don't exist.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanJohnson 0 #17 September 2, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteWhy does he have to give this speech before the Congress? For the vast majority of Americans, it is the #1 issue. I suppose if you're one of the fortunate ones that has managed to keep his job and aren't suffering any effects of the recession, then you might not care. That said, that vast majority of us do care. ***This spring, instead of using good tv time picking his basketball brackets maybe he should have given a speech/plan about jobs. He would be six months ahead of the game. That's what I call apathy. WTF??? And I'm not singling you out Wayne, this is for all of those waiting on the government to pull their asses out of the abyss.., Walk like you have a pair!!!!! Don't wait on the government or the messiah to improve your lot! This is necessasrlly a do it yourself moment. There are a million ways to make money. Look inside and find the way best suited for you! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jgoose71 0 #18 September 2, 2011 Quote Quote To borrow one of his lines from the campaign trail, "It's the economy, stupid." Wow, you really are living the past. About 20 years. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_the_economy_stupid And yet, it bears repeating again, and again, and again....."There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jgoose71 0 #19 September 2, 2011 Quote Don't wait on the government or the messiah to improve your lot! This is necessasrlly a do it yourself moment. There are a million ways to make money. Look inside and find the way best suited for you! But my wife won't let me start and internet porn site....Seriously, if it were that easy we would be in a lot better shape. If the government just got out of our way, we could do it, but they have actively put up a bunch of road blocks that effect a lot of people. High taxes and a health care bill that no one know the full cost of yet. Do you know that actual cost of that employee? Can you budget around that? Lobbyist that get subsidies for the big companies. How can you compete financially when you don't have a much money to get started and the big companies, with there government bought advantages, can do the same thing for less? And don't forget to pay the lawyers. They will find a way to put their hand in your pockets either with class action law suits, some kind of insurance, union or something.... It's just not an even playing field anymore for someone starting out."There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #20 September 2, 2011 QuoteQuote More and bigger porkulus Barbara Lee wants him to spend 500B on job training. Job training programs have been shown to be of little help IOW A waste of money"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wayneflorida 0 #21 September 2, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Why does he have to give this speech before the Congress? For the vast majority of Americans, it is the #1 issue. I suppose if you're one of the fortunate ones that has managed to keep his job and aren't suffering any effects of the recession, then you might not care. That said, that vast majority of us do care. ***This spring, instead of using good tv time picking his basketball brackets maybe he should have given a speech/plan about jobs. He would be six months ahead of the game. That's what I call apathy. WTF??? And I'm not singling you out Wayne, this is for all of those waiting on the government to pull their asses out of the abyss.., Walk like you have a pair!!!!! Don't wait on the government or the messiah to improve your lot! This is necessasrlly a do it yourself moment. There are a million ways to make money. Look inside and find the way best suited for you! The government family really can't do a lot to fix the economy except maybe get rid of bad laws/rules/policy. They can sure fuck with the economy pretty easy with bad laws/rules/policy. A reasonable amount of laws/rules/policy need to be in place. But once in place then comes the slicing and dicing which screws with the CG of the economy/business. To sum up. I will not depend on the government family to help, take care, fix, nurse, etc.--my life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dzdaveu47 0 #22 September 2, 2011 QuoteThe "new plan" is the same failed old "plan" nothing new. "here come the new boss, same as the old boss" True as it ever was. The two party system is a sham. The king wears no clothes. But most just don't want to see it. So we don't.Read icculus, the helping freindly book. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mirage62 0 #23 September 2, 2011 Does any of the lefties here really think that this is nothing more then a play to blame the Rep on not passing whatever he comes up with? Whatever it is, it will cost....a lot. We don't have the money so no matter how you look at it, we will be spending money that we don't have to stimulate the economy and it DIDN'T work last time, it won't this time and we will be even more broke.Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #24 September 2, 2011 Quote Today's Gallup Poll showed that 89% of the people who heard of this story don't give a shit. The rest are people who blog regularly in political forums and, for some reason, Gypsies. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GeorgiaDon 379 #25 September 2, 2011 QuoteThe government family really can't do a lot to fix the economy except maybe get rid of bad laws/rules/policy. They can sure fuck with the economy pretty easy with bad laws/rules/policy. A reasonable amount of laws/rules/policy need to be in place. But once in place then comes the slicing and dicing which screws with the CG of the economy/business.Agreed. You and I may differ, though, on what constitutes bad laws/rules/policy, though. In general, I think government should set a level playing field that ensures that corporations can't profit by harming people. That means they have to clean up their waste instead of dumping it where people are stuck breathing/drinking it, they can't sell contaminated products that infect or poison people, and they have to be truthful in their advertising and contracts. If all corporations have to abide by the same ground rules, none are favored over others so there should be no distortion of the "CG of the economy/business". QuoteI will not depend on the government family to help, take care, fix, nurse, etc.--my life.OK, so next time you fly you'll insist the pilot have no interaction with ATC, them being "government family" and all. Everyone can just take off/land/fly wherever and it'll all work out I'm sure, all that "traffic control" is just "the man" taking away your freedom. Next time you have a steak, no doubt you'll go to your own personal basement lab and check it for mad cow/E. coli/Listeria etc. No need for those intrusive USDA inspectors, they just get in the way of business. Every individual consumer can just do their own testing, or maybe just decide to take a chance they won't end up with food poisoning. Or, maybe you meant we should just get rid of government programs that help other people, but keep the ones you use? Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. 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jgoose71 0 #18 September 2, 2011 Quote Quote To borrow one of his lines from the campaign trail, "It's the economy, stupid." Wow, you really are living the past. About 20 years. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_the_economy_stupid And yet, it bears repeating again, and again, and again....."There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgoose71 0 #19 September 2, 2011 Quote Don't wait on the government or the messiah to improve your lot! This is necessasrlly a do it yourself moment. There are a million ways to make money. Look inside and find the way best suited for you! But my wife won't let me start and internet porn site....Seriously, if it were that easy we would be in a lot better shape. If the government just got out of our way, we could do it, but they have actively put up a bunch of road blocks that effect a lot of people. High taxes and a health care bill that no one know the full cost of yet. Do you know that actual cost of that employee? Can you budget around that? Lobbyist that get subsidies for the big companies. How can you compete financially when you don't have a much money to get started and the big companies, with there government bought advantages, can do the same thing for less? And don't forget to pay the lawyers. They will find a way to put their hand in your pockets either with class action law suits, some kind of insurance, union or something.... It's just not an even playing field anymore for someone starting out."There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #20 September 2, 2011 QuoteQuote More and bigger porkulus Barbara Lee wants him to spend 500B on job training. Job training programs have been shown to be of little help IOW A waste of money"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wayneflorida 0 #21 September 2, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Why does he have to give this speech before the Congress? For the vast majority of Americans, it is the #1 issue. I suppose if you're one of the fortunate ones that has managed to keep his job and aren't suffering any effects of the recession, then you might not care. That said, that vast majority of us do care. ***This spring, instead of using good tv time picking his basketball brackets maybe he should have given a speech/plan about jobs. He would be six months ahead of the game. That's what I call apathy. WTF??? And I'm not singling you out Wayne, this is for all of those waiting on the government to pull their asses out of the abyss.., Walk like you have a pair!!!!! Don't wait on the government or the messiah to improve your lot! This is necessasrlly a do it yourself moment. There are a million ways to make money. Look inside and find the way best suited for you! The government family really can't do a lot to fix the economy except maybe get rid of bad laws/rules/policy. They can sure fuck with the economy pretty easy with bad laws/rules/policy. A reasonable amount of laws/rules/policy need to be in place. But once in place then comes the slicing and dicing which screws with the CG of the economy/business. To sum up. I will not depend on the government family to help, take care, fix, nurse, etc.--my life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dzdaveu47 0 #22 September 2, 2011 QuoteThe "new plan" is the same failed old "plan" nothing new. "here come the new boss, same as the old boss" True as it ever was. The two party system is a sham. The king wears no clothes. But most just don't want to see it. So we don't.Read icculus, the helping freindly book. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mirage62 0 #23 September 2, 2011 Does any of the lefties here really think that this is nothing more then a play to blame the Rep on not passing whatever he comes up with? Whatever it is, it will cost....a lot. We don't have the money so no matter how you look at it, we will be spending money that we don't have to stimulate the economy and it DIDN'T work last time, it won't this time and we will be even more broke.Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #24 September 2, 2011 Quote Today's Gallup Poll showed that 89% of the people who heard of this story don't give a shit. The rest are people who blog regularly in political forums and, for some reason, Gypsies. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 379 #25 September 2, 2011 QuoteThe government family really can't do a lot to fix the economy except maybe get rid of bad laws/rules/policy. They can sure fuck with the economy pretty easy with bad laws/rules/policy. A reasonable amount of laws/rules/policy need to be in place. But once in place then comes the slicing and dicing which screws with the CG of the economy/business.Agreed. You and I may differ, though, on what constitutes bad laws/rules/policy, though. In general, I think government should set a level playing field that ensures that corporations can't profit by harming people. That means they have to clean up their waste instead of dumping it where people are stuck breathing/drinking it, they can't sell contaminated products that infect or poison people, and they have to be truthful in their advertising and contracts. If all corporations have to abide by the same ground rules, none are favored over others so there should be no distortion of the "CG of the economy/business". QuoteI will not depend on the government family to help, take care, fix, nurse, etc.--my life.OK, so next time you fly you'll insist the pilot have no interaction with ATC, them being "government family" and all. Everyone can just take off/land/fly wherever and it'll all work out I'm sure, all that "traffic control" is just "the man" taking away your freedom. Next time you have a steak, no doubt you'll go to your own personal basement lab and check it for mad cow/E. coli/Listeria etc. No need for those intrusive USDA inspectors, they just get in the way of business. Every individual consumer can just do their own testing, or maybe just decide to take a chance they won't end up with food poisoning. Or, maybe you meant we should just get rid of government programs that help other people, but keep the ones you use? Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
