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talk about the repeated lie: Iraq was not sovereign!
Interesting.
Elaborate?
It surrendered in 1991 and was still bound by the terms of that surrender. Not that it had a shining record of good behavior. Saddam failed to realize that the rules changed after 9/11 and that the shit he got away with before would now doom him. He made it easy for Bush/Rice to sell the war.
QuoteLawrocket.., after all these years of using the same grill and multiple hours of charcoal lighter fluid fire on the very wimpy sized chrome steel grill, has that wimpy wire grill failed?
Has your meat ever dropped into the fire?
Time to wise up my brother.
The simple fact is that no amount of lighter fluuid will cause even the smallest guage of steel to melt.
You know it !
Here's an experiment. Put a 100 pound weight on your grill. See if it holds the weight and measure the bending associated with it.
Now - keep that 100 pound weight on it and suspend it over charcoal. Since it it difficult to suspend the grill and surround it with burning coals (thus simulating the temperature) put ventilation in the bottom and blow some air into it, thus ensuring the heat goes to the grill.
Light it and keep that heat going for 7 hours. At that point you can remove the grill and see whether the weight on the grill deformed it in any way.
We aren't talking about hamburgers on a grill that gets exposed to 450 degree heat that has open radiative cooling. We're talking about a structure with temperatures above 1000 degrees that doesn't radiate out and has millions of pounds of force acting on it.
Saying no amount of lighter fluid will cause the steel to melt is like saying the strongest household box fan cannot create enough wind to knock over a guy mast tower, ergo Hurricane Andrew could not have done it.
p.s. - here's an experiment that deals with lighter fluid and stainless steel and adds the element of tension. Take a Zippo lighter and a guitar string. For the sake of simplicity, head on down to a music store and get an Ernie Ball Stainless Steel Power Slinky .048 gauge E string (or get the whole set of strings). Now, mount it between a couple of posts and adjust the tension to a predetermined tone. Use a tuner to measure the actual pitch.
Now that you've got that done, light the zippo and hold it under the string. Take a timer to figure out how long it takes for the string to fail. Or, for a non-melting experience, add the lighter heat and pluck the string. I'd be wiling to bet the pitch is lower because the weakened string expanded with heat in response to tension.
Nevertheless, I'm pretty certain that you can melt a guitar string with lighter fluid (a steel wire). in fact, the string will fail even before it melts if heated under tension. Failure can be determined by the lowering pitch.
For an even more applicable experiment, attach two guitar strings to a 45 pound weight and suspend the weight with the strings. Now, using a longer stick with a lighter at the end, heat one of the strings.
Let us know whether lighter fluid can cause a steel wire to fail. Or two steel wires. Or three.
My wife is hotter than your wife.
QuoteWell then why don't you tell us just how much jet fuel would it take to melt steel?
It doesn't need to melt it. Just weaken it to the point where it cannot handle the load. Then weaken it to the point where it transfers its load bearing to other load-bearing members that can no longer accept the additional load.
Try the guitar string experiment.
My wife is hotter than your wife.
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Here's an experiment. Put a 100 pound weight on your grill. Light it and keep that heat going for 7 hours.
Here's an experiment. Put a 100 pound weight on your grill. Light it and keep that heat going for 7 hours.
QuoteListen lawrocket, you realize that the tower fires were less than 60 minutes in duration?
WTC 7 was burning for seven hours before it fell.
The Twin Towers burned for less than an hour. Agreed. I also know that the fires in the Twin Towers had more fuel and an immense amount of impact energy.
did you know that the foam that struck the Columbia and took it down weighed 2 pounds? Two pounds of foam. The math was simple at demonstrating the potential catastrophe. It was the thought that a piece of styrofoam could kill the shuttle that was hard to accept - something so light and fluffy. But it did.
Try out the experiments with guitar strings. Burn the weight on the grill for a half hour and tell me whether there was any warping. Trust me - it will.
No excuses. I gave you an experiment that will provide empirical evidence. It'll demonstrate exactly the forces going on.
You've given the parameters - lighter fluid cannot melt steel wires. I've given you two experiments that say "It will."
My wife is hotter than your wife.
The Twin Towers burned for less than an hour. Agreed. I also know that the fires in the Twin Towers had more fuel and an immense amount of impact energy.
did you know that the foam that struck the Columbia and took it down weighed 2 pounds? Two pounds of foam. The math was simple at demonstrating the potential catastrophe. It was the thought that a piece of styrofoam could kill the shuttle that was hard to accept - something so light and fluffy. But it did.
Try out the experiments with guitar strings. Burn the weight on the grill for a half hour and tell me whether there was any warping. Trust me - it will.
No excuses. I gave you an experiment that will provide empirical evidence. It'll demonstrate exactly the forces going on.
You've given the parameters - lighter fluid cannot melt steel wires. I've given you two experiments that say "It will."
My wife is hotter than your wife.
D22369 0
http://articles.sfgate.com/2007-04-29/bay-area/17239903_1_tanker-truck-roadway-firefighters
fuel cant melt or deform steel huh?
Roy
fuel cant melt or deform steel huh?
Roy
They say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it.
Nope. Couldn't have happened. That fire was going for only 20 minutes when the bridge collapsed. 
My wife is hotter than your wife.
nemisis 0
QuoteRhys? Is that YOU????
I thought the NZ ip address range was banned from here!!!
No I am still here (rhys), watching you shills.
They cannot stop me from posting if I wish.
They have blocked my wifes account now too with no reason at all.
But we can still view what we neeed to view so no worries.
Dan Dan Johnson is not me.
But I see you shills are still quite determined to protect your ego's rather than your civil liberties.
Still murdering innocent civilians with the interest payents you tax dollars go to...
Ad hominem is quite transparent and you only expose your own weakness by trying to belittle me and anyone else that questions the official conspiracy.
I am not going to contribute to the argument, you all know my standpoint but just letting you know Dan is not me, and that I am still watching you morons.
I cannot deny that I have learned a great deal from debating with many of you, there is nothing more testing on a therory than to have it scrutinised by those that violently oppose that position.
Ad Hominem, ego and kook science is all you have.
Until you face the facts, then you will always be shills and complicit in the murder of civilians in my minds and many others.
carry on..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akm3nYN8aG8
Coreece 190
Nice name dude!
Priceless...
Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...
Skyrad 0
There are a lot of unanswered questions but do you really honestly doubt that two airliners hit the towers?
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