Obama: Americans must pay fair share to cut deficit

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How is that hilarious?

Because you're invoking a classic Communist quote to our Corporatocracy.

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I now understand you better

Better yet, read some history and look up the actual definitions of words and you'll understand even more.

This country started out as a representative democracy, also known as a republic. Eisenhower warned of a shift towards corporatocracy with his famous "military industrial complex" speech and since then it has shifted so far in that direction that corporations are now considered people.

Our government has become corrupted, but in ways not well understood by the average person. The average person thinks the issue is left vs right, republican vs democrat, but in reality that is simply the circus to keep us from noticing it's really the plutocrats vs the other 98% of us.

Hey, if we're going to have a circus, isn't there at least supposed to be a little bread? Nope. These guys have even figured out a way to brainwash folks into arguing against even that.

So the thief tosses out only one bone for two dogs and they'll happily fight over it, while he breaks into the house and steals everything.

Truly amazing.

I understand what you meant. I also understand better where you come from now.

So I hope you don't fall off your hight damned horse thinking you and your fellow leftist are the only ones that get it

That sudden stop at the bottom hurts

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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Declaring that "Social Security is the most successful government program in our nation's history,"

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/09/18-4

That's nothing I'd be proud of (even if true) and it's scary that people both believe it and get that hyped about it.

You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions.

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Declaring that "Social Security is the most successful government program in our nation's history,"

If you define "most successful" by most money given to beneficiaries, that might be true. If you include elements of responsible management, sustainable funding, and lack of pyramid scheme funding, then it is not the most successful.

Let's be honest. Without hiking SS deductions from paychecks, there is no way the SS program stays afloat unless it takes money from other tax sources.

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>How many vacations did you take last year, Bill? I took five days off and
>never left the state. Same this year. I am willing to sacrifice by giving up
>the unecessary BS our taxes pay for like the stupid wars we are in, the BS
>welfare system that rewards laziness, and the BS laws that require
>government contractors to pay union wages.

So you won't sacrifice anything that actually affects you. You're down with making other people sacrifice, though.

Well, fine. Get ready for that to be done to you. Lots of people are willing to "sacrifice" the luxuries that the rich enjoy - and their argument is just as good as yours. And there are more poor people than rich people. So if it comes down to which group can get the votes to make someone else sacrifice, the poor will win.

>There is more than enough
>pork to trim to bring the budget under control.

Prove it. List the cuts that will close the budget gap.

Name something that is provided to me by tax dollars and I will tell you whether or not I am willing to sacrifice that service. For example, aviation. I enjoy renting a small plane once in a while for a couple hours. It is not a very popular stance among other pilots but I am more than willing to pay user fees to fly. Why should the entire nation pay for the fun and enjoyment of a few dozen thousand?

You already pay (probably indirectly through the FBO where you rent) a dedicated tax on aviation fuel, the purpose of which is to pay for the aviation infrastructure that you use.

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>Americans must pay fair share to cut deficit

Finally, an adult willing to tell people what they don't want to hear.

We have to cut spending. We have to increase taxes. Few people have the guts to admit this - because it's a very unpopular position no matter what side of the aisle you're on.

No, we only need to cut spending. There is more than enough money to run the country in an effective manner and provide all the services we need. The government ha sproven time and again that when they raise taxes "to reduce the debt" the extra income is only spent on more pork.

Yeah.. that is some funny shit right there.... only cut spending like the current crop of morons you guys elected to the House of Reps..... and take what....70 years to pay off the current debt...

Fiscal Responsibility the Tea Party way

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Are you saying Obama is a liar?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aufAtuTwKlE&feature=player_embedded

I'd say this is a "Read My Lips" moment. One that will be played over and over again in 2012.

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>How many vacations did you take last year, Bill? I took five days off and
>never left the state. Same this year. I am willing to sacrifice by giving up
>the unecessary BS our taxes pay for like the stupid wars we are in, the BS
>welfare system that rewards laziness, and the BS laws that require
>government contractors to pay union wages.

So you won't sacrifice anything that actually affects you. You're down with making other people sacrifice, though.

Well, fine. Get ready for that to be done to you. Lots of people are willing to "sacrifice" the luxuries that the rich enjoy - and their argument is just as good as yours. And there are more poor people than rich people. So if it comes down to which group can get the votes to make someone else sacrifice, the poor will win.

>There is more than enough
>pork to trim to bring the budget under control.

Prove it. List the cuts that will close the budget gap.

Name something that is provided to me by tax dollars and I will tell you whether or not I am willing to sacrifice that service. For example, aviation. I enjoy renting a small plane once in a while for a couple hours. It is not a very popular stance among other pilots but I am more than willing to pay user fees to fly. Why should the entire nation pay for the fun and enjoyment of a few dozen thousand?

You already pay (probably indirectly through the FBO where you rent) a dedicated tax on aviation fuel, the purpose of which is to pay for the aviation infrastructure that you use.

I understand that. But if it takes user fees to keep that infrastructure self sustaining then I am all for it. The less aviation relies upon congress giving the ok for a budget, the better.

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>Americans must pay fair share to cut deficit

Finally, an adult willing to tell people what they don't want to hear.

We have to cut spending. We have to increase taxes. Few people have the guts to admit this - because it's a very unpopular position no matter what side of the aisle you're on.

No, we only need to cut spending. There is more than enough money to run the country in an effective manner and provide all the services we need. The government ha sproven time and again that when they raise taxes "to reduce the debt" the extra income is only spent on more pork.

Yeah.. that is some funny shit right there.... only cut spending like the current crop of morons you guys elected to the House of Reps..... and take what....70 years to pay off the current debt...

Fiscal Responsibility the Tea Party way

Better than raise taxes and spending like the morons you elect.

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FAIR TAX

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>Americans must pay fair share to cut deficit

Finally, an adult willing to tell people what they don't want to hear.

We have to cut spending. We have to increase taxes. Few people have the guts to admit this - because it's a very unpopular position no matter what side of the aisle you're on.

No, we only need to cut spending. There is more than enough money to run the country in an effective manner and provide all the services we need. The government ha sproven time and again that when they raise taxes "to reduce the debt" the extra income is only spent on more pork.

Yeah.. that is some funny shit right there.... only cut spending like the current crop of morons you guys elected to the House of Reps..... and take what....70 years to pay off the current debt...

Fiscal Responsibility the Tea Party way

Better than raise taxes and spending like the morons you elect.

Oh yes.. the W tax cuts and off the books war had NOTHING to do with our current deficit or economy....
Only a diehard Tea Bagger could actually believe that in CLUELESS WORLD

Since 1981....the TRICKLE DOWNISTS have had their way.... transferring the wealth of our people to a very few people at the very top... and the stupid Tea Baggers are too fucking stupid to realize it.

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Pay more so BO can set up more green jobs that might cost 500k each or more ?? oh.. sure. okay.

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>Americans must pay fair share to cut deficit

Finally, an adult willing to tell people what they don't want to hear.

We have to cut spending. We have to increase taxes. Few people have the guts to admit this - because it's a very unpopular position no matter what side of the aisle you're on.

No, we only need to cut spending. There is more than enough money to run the country in an effective manner and provide all the services we need. The government ha sproven time and again that when they raise taxes "to reduce the debt" the extra income is only spent on more pork.

Yeah.. that is some funny shit right there.... only cut spending like the current crop of morons you guys elected to the House of Reps..... and take what....70 years to pay off the current debt...

Fiscal Responsibility the Tea Party way

Better than raise taxes and spending like the morons you elect.

Oh yes.. the W tax cuts and off the books war had NOTHING to do with our current deficit or economy....
Only a diehard Tea Bagger could actually believe that in CLUELESS WORLD

Since 1981....the TRICKLE DOWNISTS have had their way.... transferring the wealth of our people to a very few people at the very top... and the stupid Tea Baggers are too fucking stupid to realize it.

If you would come out from behind that blue dress and actually read my posts here you would have seen that I already gave credit to the stupid wars for their part of the mess we're in.
Nice try though.

HAMMER:
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Oh and cutting taxes to one of the lowest levels in our history had no effect... ???

Since 1981.. the GOP has been out to completely and utterly ruin our country... and turn it into one large arms factory with a very few benefitting from all that government spending and be damed with the people who are not in the 1% at the very top.

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The "fair tax" creates the LARGEST govt payout program in the WORLD in the form of "Pre-bates"

If it did not have that, it if did not INCREASE the size of the govt and INCREASE the number of people waiting each month on a handout... I might have gotten behind it.

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Oh and cutting taxes to one of the lowest levels in our history had no effect... ???

Since 1981.. the GOP has been out to completely and utterly ruin our country... and turn it into one large arms factory with a very few benefitting from all that government spending and be damed with the people who are not in the 1% at the very top.

Sure it did. But now that you're starting with the "rich people get all the breaks but nobody gives me anything" whining it doesn't matter whether we agree on that or not.
Hint: None of those 1% got there by whining. Some were born into it, others made it there on their own.

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Oh and cutting taxes to one of the lowest levels in our history had no effect... ???

Since 1981.. the GOP has been out to completely and utterly ruin our country... and turn it into one large arms factory with a very few benefitting from all that government spending and be damed with the people who are not in the 1% at the very top.

Sure it did. But now that you're starting with the "rich people get all the breaks but nobody gives me anything" whining it doesn't matter whether we agree on that or not.
Hint: None of those 1% got there by whining. Some were born into it, others made it there on their own.

Sure.. and many of them made it there as war profiteers at the behest of the chickenhawks in the last administration and their personal relationships with them and their former or current companies.

They ripped off the American people for many many hundreds of billions of dollars... but hey.. thats good with you guys who voted them into office.

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Envy suits you.

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Envy suits you.

No it sounds like you envy the heights they have risen too .... even if they are crooks... More good rePUBIClown values!!!

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The "fair tax" creates the LARGEST govt payout program in the WORLD in the form of "Pre-bates"

If it did not have that, it if did not INCREASE the size of the govt and INCREASE the number of people waiting each month on a handout... I might have gotten behind it.

If they'd drop the pre-bate in favor of not taxing unprocessed and staple foods, and throw in a tax-free weekend on home electronics and clothing once a quarter, I think it would be better.

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Envy suits you.

No it sounds like you envy the heights they have risen too .... even if they are crooks... More good rePUBIClown values!!!

I sound envious? Wow. Look in the mirror, Monica. I'm not the one whining about what other people have and claiming they all got their money through dirty under-the-table government dealings.
This thread was a nice discussion until you showed up and fucked it all up with your envy and personal insults. Dont you have a dress to dry clean or something?

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Envy suits you.

No it sounds like you envy the heights they have risen too .... even if they are crooks... More good rePUBIClown values!!!

I sound envious? Wow. Look in the mirror, Monica. I'm not the one whining about what other people have and claiming they all got their money through dirty under-the-table government dealings.
This thread was a nice discussion until you showed up and fucked it all up with your envy and personal insults. Dont you have a dress to dry clean or something?

I am sure you have far more dresses in your closet dahrling..

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If they'd drop the pre-bate in favor of not taxing unprocessed and staple foods

See, exempt the items that are staples and get rid of the prebate would make me a bit more supportive.

I just fail to see how handing out Govt checks each mth is a good idea.

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If they'd drop the pre-bate in favor of not taxing unprocessed and staple foods

See, exempt the items that are staples and get rid of the prebate would make me a bit more supportive.

I just fail to see how handing out Govt checks each mth is a good idea.

Maybe you should talk to someone who's primary source of income is Social Security, after they paid into the system for 40+ years.

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If they'd drop the pre-bate in favor of not taxing unprocessed and staple foods

See, exempt the items that are staples and get rid of the prebate would make me a bit more supportive.

I just fail to see how handing out Govt checks each mth is a good idea.

Maybe you should talk to someone who's primary source of income is Social Security, after they paid into the system for 40+ years.

And that is a great example of how dependent our society has become on government and I can think of no better reason to start changing this mentality immediately. SS was originally designed as a "supplement" not a retirement program. It should be means tested for now and gotten rid of at some point.

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Maybe you should talk to someone who's primary source of income is Social Security, after they paid into the system for 40+ years.

BRAVO... Way to take the sentence out of context. You must work really hard to distort things that much!!!!