dreamdancer 0 #1 September 27, 2011 listen and learn... QuoteAfter complaining that the two court sessions they attended were "total shams" and that "we'd been held in almost total isolation - stripped of our rights and freedoms," he explained: In prison, every time we complained about our conditions, the guards would remind us of comparable conditions at Guantanamo Bay; they'd remind us of CIA prisons in other parts of the world; and conditions that Iranians and others experience in prisons in the U.S. We do not believe that such human rights violation on the part of our government justify what has been done to us: not for a moment. However, we do believe that these actions on the part of the U.S. provide an excuse for other governments - including the government of Iran - to act in kind. [Indeed, as harrowing and unjust as their imprisonment was, Bauer and Fattal on some level are fortunate not to have ended up in the grips of the American War on Terror detention system, where detainees remain for many more years without even the pretense of due process -- still -- to say nothing of the torture regime to which hundreds (at least) were subjected.] Fattal then expressed "great thanks to world leaders and individuals" who worked for their release, including Hugo Chavez, the governments of Turkey and Brazil, Sean Penn, Noam Chomsky, Mohammad Ali, Cindy Sheehan, Desmond Tutu, as well as Muslims from around the world and "elements within the Iranian government," http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/09/26-10stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #2 September 27, 2011 Quotelisten and learn... I sat quietly and listened for a little bit. What I learned is that it sounds like one of the case fans on my computer is going out. What else was I supposed to hear?--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #3 September 27, 2011 That's the sound of tumble weed wafting majestically across the plains..... the sound of nobody caring .... the sound of silence .... the sound of a bell TROLLING in the distance (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #4 September 27, 2011 Quotelisten .... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VflKiZzb4h4 dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #5 September 27, 2011 QuoteQuotelisten and learn... I sat quietly and listened for a little bit. What I learned is that it sounds like one of the case fans on my computer is going out. What else was I supposed to hear? something about what great humanitarians they have in Iran for letting these kids go after 2 years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #6 September 27, 2011 Quotesomething about what great humanitarians they have in Iran for letting these kids go after 2 years. something about what great humanitarians they have in US/GITMO for keeping people for more than 2 years without due process. something about how people turn a blind eye to what the U.S. does in the name of "humanity".My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites iowa 0 #7 September 27, 2011 What is missing from the story is; What the hell is anyone doing ''hiking'' in Iraq anywhere near the Irani border? If they were actually hiking, what the fuck are they thinking? Maybe it's a beautiful place to hike, I don't know. Certainly not a smart place to ''hike''. Keith ''Always do sober what you said you would do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut.'' - Ernest Hemingway Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #8 September 27, 2011 Quotesomething about what great humanitarians they have in Iran for letting these kids go after 2 years. Yep, they were used as pawns, in the hope of exchanging them for muslim prisoners held by America. Good for America for not giving in to that blackmail and letting that tactic fail. Otherwise it would just encourage more hostage-taking. And comparing the imprisonment of innocent hikers to prisoners of war, is invalid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #9 September 27, 2011 QuoteWhat is missing from the story is; What the hell is anyone doing ''hiking'' in Iraq anywhere near the Irani border? If they were actually hiking, what the fuck are they thinking? Maybe it's a beautiful place to hike, I don't know. Certainly not a smart place to ''hike''. It's apparently a nice place. Less clear, but possibly true, is that the soldiers pointed their guns, ordered them to come across the unpainted, disputed border, and then arrested them as spies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Darius11 12 #10 September 27, 2011 Not directed at you Dream: The arrogance we see on here is staggering. I simply don’t get the logic of yea we do that. oh yea we do this as well, WHAT!!! they did what we do HOW DARE THEY. The US government is like a serial rapist who complains when someone else cups a feel. Its hypocritical and only brain washed sheep with zero integrity seem to not see it I wonder what would happen to a couple of undocumented Iranians if they were chillin on the Canadian border coming over here?? They would still be in Gitmo and the same retarded sheep on here who are all on Iran would be talking about what the fuck were they doing thousands of miles away on our boarder. Most of you are hypocrites and are so dim that you don’t even see it. Just change the citizenship of the people involved and most of you would be singing a different tune. And any time that happens when you simply are basing your worthless judgment on who is in your "tribe" you are no longer rational or logical. Just another dumb sheep.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Darius11 12 #11 September 27, 2011 QuoteQuoteWhat is missing from the story is; What the hell is anyone doing ''hiking'' in Iraq anywhere near the Irani border? If they were actually hiking, what the fuck are they thinking? Maybe it's a beautiful place to hike, I don't know. Certainly not a smart place to ''hike''. It's apparently a nice place. Less clear, but possibly true, is that the soldiers pointed their guns, ordered them to come across the unpainted, disputed border, and then arrested them as spies. Thats a joke right????? The shit you guys come up with. So how far were they from the boarder? 10 yards???? BAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH BAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHI'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shropshire 0 #12 September 27, 2011 Quote And comparing the imprisonment of innocent hikers to prisoners of war, is invalid. Because everyone one knows that they are ALL guilty and that has been so provenThese 'kids' were stupid at best. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #13 September 27, 2011 if these were spies, they could substitute for Akroyd and Chase in Spies Like Us. but yes, continue to entertain us in your defense of Iran here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #14 September 27, 2011 QuoteThese 'kids' were stupid at best. "Stupid" is not a crime, nor worthy of two years imprisonment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #15 September 27, 2011 QuoteQuotesomething about what great humanitarians they have in Iran for letting these kids go after 2 years. something about what great humanitarians they have in US/GITMO for keeping people for more than 2 years without due process. something about how people turn a blind eye to what the U.S. does in the name of "humanity". It used to be that the US did things its way while the rest of the world did things differently. It used to be that in order to survive the war, one was instructed to be a good German, join the infantry, and surrender to the first Americans they came across. Now things have changed. We don't do things like Americans anymore. We aren't the leaders, we are the followers. So we don't give due process anymore. Even our elected officials who promised to change that were just kidding. This is where we've gone. Previously Americans would be treated in a way that was horrible but knowing Americans didn't act the same way. Now the rest of the world can treat people like these dumbasses were treated and say, with a degree of truth, that "We're treating you like Americans treat us." My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Southern_Man 0 #16 September 27, 2011 Quoteif these were spies, they could substitute for Akroyd and Chase in Spies Like Us. but yes, continue to entertain us in your defense of Iran here. If these guys were substituted it would have been a better movie. Lord knows it couldn't have been any worse."What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. 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kelpdiver 2 #5 September 27, 2011 QuoteQuotelisten and learn... I sat quietly and listened for a little bit. What I learned is that it sounds like one of the case fans on my computer is going out. What else was I supposed to hear? something about what great humanitarians they have in Iran for letting these kids go after 2 years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #6 September 27, 2011 Quotesomething about what great humanitarians they have in Iran for letting these kids go after 2 years. something about what great humanitarians they have in US/GITMO for keeping people for more than 2 years without due process. something about how people turn a blind eye to what the U.S. does in the name of "humanity".My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iowa 0 #7 September 27, 2011 What is missing from the story is; What the hell is anyone doing ''hiking'' in Iraq anywhere near the Irani border? If they were actually hiking, what the fuck are they thinking? Maybe it's a beautiful place to hike, I don't know. Certainly not a smart place to ''hike''. Keith ''Always do sober what you said you would do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut.'' - Ernest Hemingway Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #8 September 27, 2011 Quotesomething about what great humanitarians they have in Iran for letting these kids go after 2 years. Yep, they were used as pawns, in the hope of exchanging them for muslim prisoners held by America. Good for America for not giving in to that blackmail and letting that tactic fail. Otherwise it would just encourage more hostage-taking. And comparing the imprisonment of innocent hikers to prisoners of war, is invalid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #9 September 27, 2011 QuoteWhat is missing from the story is; What the hell is anyone doing ''hiking'' in Iraq anywhere near the Irani border? If they were actually hiking, what the fuck are they thinking? Maybe it's a beautiful place to hike, I don't know. Certainly not a smart place to ''hike''. It's apparently a nice place. Less clear, but possibly true, is that the soldiers pointed their guns, ordered them to come across the unpainted, disputed border, and then arrested them as spies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #10 September 27, 2011 Not directed at you Dream: The arrogance we see on here is staggering. I simply don’t get the logic of yea we do that. oh yea we do this as well, WHAT!!! they did what we do HOW DARE THEY. The US government is like a serial rapist who complains when someone else cups a feel. Its hypocritical and only brain washed sheep with zero integrity seem to not see it I wonder what would happen to a couple of undocumented Iranians if they were chillin on the Canadian border coming over here?? They would still be in Gitmo and the same retarded sheep on here who are all on Iran would be talking about what the fuck were they doing thousands of miles away on our boarder. Most of you are hypocrites and are so dim that you don’t even see it. Just change the citizenship of the people involved and most of you would be singing a different tune. And any time that happens when you simply are basing your worthless judgment on who is in your "tribe" you are no longer rational or logical. Just another dumb sheep.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #11 September 27, 2011 QuoteQuoteWhat is missing from the story is; What the hell is anyone doing ''hiking'' in Iraq anywhere near the Irani border? If they were actually hiking, what the fuck are they thinking? Maybe it's a beautiful place to hike, I don't know. Certainly not a smart place to ''hike''. It's apparently a nice place. Less clear, but possibly true, is that the soldiers pointed their guns, ordered them to come across the unpainted, disputed border, and then arrested them as spies. Thats a joke right????? The shit you guys come up with. So how far were they from the boarder? 10 yards???? BAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH BAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHI'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #12 September 27, 2011 Quote And comparing the imprisonment of innocent hikers to prisoners of war, is invalid. Because everyone one knows that they are ALL guilty and that has been so provenThese 'kids' were stupid at best. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #13 September 27, 2011 if these were spies, they could substitute for Akroyd and Chase in Spies Like Us. but yes, continue to entertain us in your defense of Iran here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #14 September 27, 2011 QuoteThese 'kids' were stupid at best. "Stupid" is not a crime, nor worthy of two years imprisonment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #15 September 27, 2011 QuoteQuotesomething about what great humanitarians they have in Iran for letting these kids go after 2 years. something about what great humanitarians they have in US/GITMO for keeping people for more than 2 years without due process. something about how people turn a blind eye to what the U.S. does in the name of "humanity". It used to be that the US did things its way while the rest of the world did things differently. It used to be that in order to survive the war, one was instructed to be a good German, join the infantry, and surrender to the first Americans they came across. Now things have changed. We don't do things like Americans anymore. We aren't the leaders, we are the followers. So we don't give due process anymore. Even our elected officials who promised to change that were just kidding. This is where we've gone. Previously Americans would be treated in a way that was horrible but knowing Americans didn't act the same way. Now the rest of the world can treat people like these dumbasses were treated and say, with a degree of truth, that "We're treating you like Americans treat us." My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southern_Man 0 #16 September 27, 2011 Quoteif these were spies, they could substitute for Akroyd and Chase in Spies Like Us. but yes, continue to entertain us in your defense of Iran here. If these guys were substituted it would have been a better movie. Lord knows it couldn't have been any worse."What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
