Saudi woman to be lashed for defying driving ban

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If you think the only "right" way of looking at life is YOUR way, then you may be a cultural elitist.

looooooool. That is definitly the most idiotic posting , i have ever read. Well, i am here for only 4 minutes in the speakers corner now, maybe worse postings will follow..

You probably even feel liberal, when you write something that stupid?

Hello, some of you guys are so backflashed to the ape time, that i really wonder, that DZOs out there let you jump from airplanes.

We have a poll about slapping a woman for driving a car and about half of you votes for yes. i cant believe that.

and as a topping, some idiot comes around and blablablas about cultural differences.

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Purposeful civil disobedience has been a form of instituting change since, well, since forever.

And seems to be what this Saudi woman was doing. So does she "deserve" to be lashed for driving a car? No. But if she does get lashed, it might hasten the removal of an unjust law. Either way, she has succeeded in bringing a lot of attention to it.

I don't think your argument about cultural differences makes much sense here. If we were over there telling the women they need to drive when they didn't even want to, that would be one thing, but that's not the case here. The women are wanting the right to drive, and we're agreeing that they should have it.

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lThat is definitly the most idiotic posting , i have ever read.
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You probably even feel liberal, when you write something that stupid?
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Hello, some of you guys are so backflashed to the ape time,
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some idiot comes around and blablablas about.

don't try so hard to fit in, it's a bit needy

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

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hehe, you are right. in german it would be easier for me to use clear words without sounding "needy" ;)

still, i wanted to post a clear opinion, that is easy to understand.

i appreciate, that somebody tries to show understanding for islamic rules, but this discussion in definitly the wrong situation ;)

Its about diffences in the rules for men and women and that is a no go, everywhere.

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Blindly electing to disobey the law just because you don't agree with it is stupid and self-centered.

Not necessarily. Sometimes electing to disobey an unjust law might help to remove that law for future generations.

True enough. Though I wouldn't say that those situations are blindly electing to disobey. Purposeful civil disobedience has been a form of instituting change since, well, since forever. My example demonstrates what I consider blind disobedience and was in response to Meso's rant

Except that it appears that you have decided that the woman in the OP was blindly disobeying and not participating in purposeful civil disobedience when that is far from clear. On the other hand when Ms Parks refused to stand up on the bus it was a decision she made, to a large degree, in the heat of the moment. Does that mean she was stupid and self centered and the Saudi woman (potentially) wasn't?

If the Saudi woman was driving as a calcukated act of civil disobedience would you reverse your decision that she deserves to be lashed?

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Your examples were good ones for demonstrating purposeful civil disobedience.

Do you think it more likely that the average dope smoker is engaged in purposeful civil disobedience (as opposed to 'blind disobedience') than the average saudi woman driver?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Its about diffences in the rules for men and women and that is a no go, everywhere.

Yet they exist everywhere.

(and if you want to call me an idiot, at least have the balls to do it in the thread you are referencing. Specially if you decide to mischaratarise it)

Ohh, you also owe me a bicycle.

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If you think the only "right" way of looking at life is YOUR way, then you may be a cultural elitist.

looooooool. That is definitly the most idiotic posting , i have ever read..

*WHOOOOOOOSH*


So...does that mean you are one of the arrogant idiot fucks who thinks he's right and everybody else is wrong about anything and everything?
Other countries just love you, don't they?

Apparently, your emotional development arrested at 15 and your intellectual development never happened at all.

So, does the entire world bow to your feet or what?

Come out of the woods you've been out in the sticks waaaay too long.

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Its about diffences in the rules for men and women and that is a no go, everywhere.

Everywhere only exists in your mind.
Your country would not lash her, I would assume. This country would not. By the laws of HER country, she deserved it. By the laws of our she didn't. The poll didn't say "as per your countries laws".

If you can't understand the simple concept of different countries, different cultures, different laws/rules, then yes, you would be one of the arrogant idiots.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
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You people seem to think that only U.S. laws and customs are valid and relevant.
Pretty arrogant, donchyathink?

So then you believe in "cultural relativism", whereby no one has the right to criticize another's cultural practices?

And therefore you approve of the muslim practice of cutting off the clitoris of young girls to prevent them from enjoying sex when they mature?

That is NOT a Muslim practice, that is a African practice and a cultural practiced amoung some north Africans of all religions.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
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>That is NOT a Muslim practice, that is a African practice

Shush, he's on a roll.

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Are we having fun yet?

I hope so. The fish are biting and I'm running out of bait to feed them.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

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That is NOT a Muslim practice, that is a African practice and a cultural practiced amoung some north Africans of all religions.

You better straighten out Wikipedia then:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation#Practising_countries

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"The practice persists in 28 African countries, as well as in the Arabian Peninsula. It is known to exist in northern Saudi Arabia, southern Jordan, northern Iraq (Kurdistan), and possibly Syria, western Iran, and southern Turkey."

And since this thread is about a Saudi woman, I think it's a relevant analogy that female genital mutilation also exists in that country.

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Well, two of the eight are probably Keely and Remi.

When I saw the thread, it did take me a minute to figure out whether the getting lashed was a good or bad thing.

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Sentence revoked ??




It seems that Women in Saudi are following a similar course that Women were doing early last century - provoking authourity in a bid to change their plight.

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Vandalizing etc is one thing, but driving a car.
Wtf.

yeah, but she's a woman.... driving-... hu-llooooo

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Sentence revoked ??

It seems that Women in Saudi are following a similar course that Women were doing early last century - provoking authourity in a bid to change their plight.

"The Saudi interpretation of Islamic law includes the guardianship system under which women need permission from a male relative to participate in public life.

However, correspondents say King Abdullah has struck a reformist stance since he ascended the throne in 2005, especially in regard to women's rights."

Now THAT is good news for Saudi women!
Islamic fundamentalists are probably in an uproar, though.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

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Now THAT is good news for Saudi women!

Yeap

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Islamic fundamentalists are probably in an uproar, though.

Fuck em

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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***Islamic fundamentalists are probably in an uproar, though.

Fuck em

Not before you marry 'em

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Now THAT is good news for Saudi women!

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Islamic fundamentalists are probably in an uproar, though.

Fuck em

Hopefully they don't blame us Americans for their women getting all uppity and decide to fly airplanes into our buildings again......

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(I think a lot of the people who voted Yes were just yanking everyone's chain.)

Of course, if you let women drive and vote, then the liberals will win.

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"A court in Saudi Arabia has sentenced a woman to 10 lashes for breaking the country's ban on female drivers..."

John, these are merely BS stories. For one thing in the Kingdom Of Saudi Arabia, if a daughter or wife or a female member of a family (Arab Muslims) The husband will be the one that's punished, that's their law. In some instances if the father isn't available to be punished one of the sons from one of the Father's families will be punished. In fact the Saudi Govt is allowing women to go around without their face masks, and are being taught to drive. Things are really lightning up over here.

I know the BBC seems credible, but you'd be surprised of how many differences there are between CNN, BBC & Al Jeezera.

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"You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall"

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"A court in Saudi Arabia has sentenced a woman to 10 lashes for breaking the country's ban on female drivers..."

John, these are merely BS stories. For one thing in the Kingdom Of Saudi Arabia, if a daughter or wife or a female member of a family (Arab Muslims) The husband will be the one that's punished, that's their law. In some instances if the father isn't available to be punished one of the sons from one of the Father's families will be punished. In fact the Saudi Govt is allowing women to go around without their face masks, and are being taught to drive. Things are really lightning up over here.

I know the BBC seems credible, but you'd be surprised of how many differences there are between CNN, BBC & Al Jeezera.

So, daughter does the crime, daddy (or brother) does the time! I'm beginning to understand how those so-called "honor killings" became popular.

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these are merely BS stories. For one thing in the Kingdom Of Saudi Arabia, if a daughter or wife or a female member of a family (Arab Muslims) The husband will be the one that's punished, that's their law.

If that's the case, it's still wrong. A woman exercising her freedom by driving a car should not result in her father being punished by lashing.

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"A court in Saudi Arabia has sentenced a woman to 10 lashes for breaking the country's ban on female drivers..."

John, these are merely BS stories. For one thing in the Kingdom Of Saudi Arabia, if a daughter or wife or a female member of a family (Arab Muslims) The husband will be the one that's punished, that's their law. In some instances if the father isn't available to be punished one of the sons from one of the Father's families will be punished. In fact the Saudi Govt is allowing women to go around without their face masks, and are being taught to drive. Things are really lightning up over here.

I know the BBC seems credible, but you'd be surprised of how many differences there are between CNN, BBC & Al Jeezera.

The story about the woman being sentenced to lashes was also reported in Al Jazeera (English).

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If that's the case, it's still wrong. A woman exercising her freedom by driving a car should not result in her father being punished by lashing.

First of all, women's rights are where our womens rights were back in the early 18th & 19th centuries. Women have no rights, other than those that they are granted by the male figure whom they answer to. The punishment varies. They don't kill anybody for this kind of stuff. The punishment could range from suspension of your job for 90 days to a fine. Saudis are very proud people, and they fully expect their men to control their families. For the most part, they do but every now and then theres a boo boo.

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"You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall"

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If that's the case, it's still wrong. A woman exercising her freedom by driving a car should not result in her father being punished by lashing.

First of all, women's rights are where our womens rights were back in the early 18th & 19th centuries. Women have no rights, other than those that they are granted by the male figure whom they answer to. The punishment varies. They don't kill anybody for this kind of stuff. The punishment could range from suspension of your job for 90 days to a fine. Saudis are very proud people, and they fully expect their men to control their families. For the most part, they do but every now and then theres a boo boo.

I'm not disagreeing with you about "what is". I'm just saying what "should be". The King's recent move to give women the right to vote is a step in the right direction.