DesertAttorney 0 #101 October 26, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Which ruling of the SCOTUS made it unconstitutional for a state not to issue CCW permits? Quote"Damn those Oklahomans for wanting their 2nd Amendment rights back" Tell us WHICH right OKLAHOMANS were denied, COUNSELOR. The right to BEAR arms in public for their RIGHT of self-defense, a right that pre-dates the Constitution. Oklahomans weren't denied that. Which ruling of the SCOTUS made it unconstitutional for a state not to issue CCW permits? Crickets. I guess Desertattorney Esq.(unverified) can't answer the question. Re: "Unverified": I am not going to reveal my identity, Professor. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,108 #102 October 26, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Which ruling of the SCOTUS made it unconstitutional for a state not to issue CCW permits? Quote"Damn those Oklahomans for wanting their 2nd Amendment rights back" Tell us WHICH right OKLAHOMANS were denied, COUNSELOR. The right to BEAR arms in public for their RIGHT of self-defense, a right that pre-dates the Constitution. Oklahomans weren't denied that. Which ruling of the SCOTUS made it unconstitutional for a state not to issue CCW permits? Crickets. I guess Desertattorney Esq.(unverified) can't answer the question. Re: "Unverified": I am not going to reveal my identity, Professor. Can't answer the question either, can you? Best stay anonymous. I disagree with Marc and Mike on most things, but at least I can respect them for standing behind their beliefs.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DesertAttorney 0 #103 October 26, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Which ruling of the SCOTUS made it unconstitutional for a state not to issue CCW permits? Quote"Damn those Oklahomans for wanting their 2nd Amendment rights back" Tell us WHICH right OKLAHOMANS were denied, COUNSELOR. The right to BEAR arms in public for their RIGHT of self-defense, a right that pre-dates the Constitution. Oklahomans weren't denied that. Which ruling of the SCOTUS made it unconstitutional for a state not to issue CCW permits? Crickets. I guess Desertattorney Esq.(unverified) can't answer the question. Re: "Unverified": I am not going to reveal my identity, Professor. Can't answer the question either, can you? Best stay anonymous. I disagree with Mark and Mike on most things, but at least I can respect them for standing behind their beliefs. Not having your respect is a badge of honor. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,108 #104 October 26, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Which ruling of the SCOTUS made it unconstitutional for a state not to issue CCW permits? Quote "Damn those Oklahomans for wanting their 2nd Amendment rights back" Tell us WHICH right OKLAHOMANS were denied, COUNSELOR. The right to BEAR arms in public for their RIGHT of self-defense, a right that pre-dates the Constitution. Oklahomans weren't denied that. Which ruling of the SCOTUS made it unconstitutional for a state not to issue CCW permits? Crickets. I guess Desertattorney Esq.(unverified) can't answer the question. Re: "Unverified": I am not going to reveal my identity, Professor. Can't answer the question either, can you? Best stay anonymous. I disagree with Marc and Mike on most things, but at least I can respect them for standing behind their beliefs. Not having your respect is a badge of honor. You're welcome, my pleasure... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #105 October 27, 2011 QuoteNope...., nope and nope. Licensed law enforcement officers usually have been schooled in Terry and Gant. That's why I mentioned them. The short version from Wiki. Arizona v. Gant, 556 U.S. 332 (2009).... Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1 (1968)... The question is have you been schooled in them. You asked where they intersect. They don't unless you use a category that is uselessly broad, such "SCOTUS" "seizures" or "4th amendment rulings". I said QuoteAZ v Gant covers search incident to arrest and it's extent beyond suspect. Terry covers stop and or frisk based on reasonable suspicion. There is little or no intersection. You answered with QuoteSorry, but the intersection is the impact on how law enforcement operates using discretion (the instant opinion of the officer) when there may be probable cause for a search. Terry has to do with "pat downs". Gant has to do exigent circumstance leading to a search with respect to evidence. Both deal with the 4th Amendment and warrantless searches. I corrected you, because (A) neither deals directly with discretion (B) only Gant covers probable cause and searches while Terry is reasonable suspicion and patdowns and (C) Gant covers search incident to arrest, not exigent circumstances. You then responded with text from other sources that proves my point. If you're a lawyer, I wouldn't want you to argue a case for me.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
