stevebabin 0 #76 October 27, 2011 Quote Quote Or Satan will get you like he did Anne Frank and Ghandi!! Satan isn't even close to being your biggest problem right now. God is. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxhxKdnjGA8"Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #77 October 27, 2011 Quote Quote Or Satan will get you like he did Anne Frank and Ghandi!! Satan isn't even close to being your biggest problem right now. God is. Projecting again?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #78 October 27, 2011 Quote Quote Or Satan will get you like he did Anne Frank and Ghandi!! Satan isn't even close to being your biggest problem right now. God is. Is he? To be honest I thought my biggest problems were some moderate credit card debt and that muscle between my shoulder blades I've just pulled again. That little bastard usually takes a good four or five days to clear up, I'm not sure God can compete.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #79 October 27, 2011 QuoteSatan isn't even close to being your biggest problem right now. God is. That's at least biblical correct. Satan killed 10 people (the kids of Job during a bet with Jehova) and God/JAWEH killed millions alone in the great flood. According to your holy book that is. So from an average human POV, Satan is the good guy in that book. Or at least the least evil guy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #80 October 27, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Or Satan will get you like he did Anne Frank and Ghandi!! Satan isn't even close to being your biggest problem right now. God is. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxhxKdnjGA8 Jeeze Steve...I've been trying to watch my mouth lately and now that song is stuck in my head once again...thanks a lot! You tempters are relentless!Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaybird18c 24 #81 October 27, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Or Satan will get you like he did Anne Frank and Ghandi!! Satan isn't even close to being your biggest problem right now. God is. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxhxKdnjGA8 Johnny Cash - God's Gonna Cut You Down Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaybird18c 24 #82 October 27, 2011 QuoteThat's at least biblical correct. Satan killed 10 people (the kids of Job during a bet with Jehova) and God/JAWEH killed millions alone in the great flood. According to your holy book that is. So from an average human POV, Satan is the good guy in that book. Or at least the least evil guy. Do you think it would have been just (if you lived back then) for you to have died in the flood? Added: If God is in fact holy, then He must hate that which is unholy. If God is in fact just, then he must punish that which is unjust (sin). Question is: Which side are you on (rhetorical...we know already)? How are you going to account for your own lawlessness if you're planning to reject the ransom which was paid already on your behalf? I’d say (if you’re like how I was) you’ve got a huge problem. 10 out of 10 people die. The Bible says that when you die, you will face judgment. There won’t be any fence to sit on when that day comes. It will either be innocent or guilty. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #83 October 27, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Or Satan will get you like he did Anne Frank and Ghandi!! Satan isn't even close to being your biggest problem right now. God is. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxhxKdnjGA8 Johnny Cash - God's Gonna Cut You Down Now we're talking....Crank it! Here's the original with one of the best casts for a video I think I've ever seen...or even a movie for that matter. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxh-FfElY0MYour secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebabin 0 #84 October 27, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Or Satan will get you like he did Anne Frank and Ghandi!! Satan isn't even close to being your biggest problem right now. God is. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxhxKdnjGA8 Johnny Cash - God's Gonna Cut You Down That's a great song! Been one of my favorites of his since it came out."Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #85 October 27, 2011 QuoteDo you think it would have been just (if you lived back then) for you to have died in the flood? No. Of course not. (Just what effect were you expecting that question to have?) QuoteIf God is in fact holy, then He must hate that which is unholy. If God is in fact just, then he must punish that which is unjust (sin). If. (Or, slightly less poetically, no.)Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaybird18c 24 #86 October 27, 2011 QuoteIf God is in fact holy, then He must hate that which is unholy. If God is in fact just, then he must punish that which is unjust (sin). If. (Or, slightly less poetically, no.) Ok..."If"...God does exist and you're judged when you die, will you be found innocent or guilty? By the way, were you objecting to God (in general) or saying that if He is holy and just, that He shouldn't punish sin? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyBoyd 0 #87 October 27, 2011 QuoteQuoteI rejected god because I couldn't square the idea of a good and all-powerful deity with a world in which little kids get cancer, and where earthquakes, floods, and other natural disasters kill thousands of innocent people, and leave countless others injured, homeless, and suffering. There is simply way too much misery and pain in this world, misery and pain that has nothing to do with human choices or actions, for me to believe in god. The problem of evil isn't really an argument against the existence of god(s) it's an argument against the existence of a couple of specific gods. Nowhere in the job description it states that a god has to be good or even interested in humanity. Yes, I agree. Go ahead and re-read my post. I put the important part in italics to help you out. And I wasn't making an argument against the existence of god. I wouldn't bother to get into an argument over a proposition for which there is no evidence one way or the other. I was simply answering the OP's question of why I became an atheist. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #88 October 27, 2011 QuoteOk..."If"...God does exist and you're judged when you die, will you be found innocent or guilty? Of what? Certainly right now I'm innocent of anything serious, and not just through technicalities. QuoteBy the way, were you objecting to God (in general) or saying that if He is holy and just, that He shouldn't punish sin? I just don't get why you think that being holy would mean you can't be nice. It's a really sad way of looking at things.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaybird18c 24 #89 October 27, 2011 QuoteQuoteOk..."If"...God does exist and you're judged when you die, will you be found innocent or guilty? Of what? Certainly right now I'm innocent of anything serious, and not just through technicalities. Don't compare yourself to others. Compare yourself to God's standard. Your infractions may seem trivial to you until you consider against whom the crimes are really against. To an infinitely holy God, one lie is deserving of hell. Quote I just don't get why you think that being holy would mean you can't be nice. It's a really sad way of looking at things. You mean like Him dying for those criminals who were still committing crimes against Him. That's pretty "nice." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skywombat 0 #90 October 28, 2011 http://daniel-goh.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/god-v-satan.jpg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #91 October 28, 2011 QuoteDo you think it would have been just (if you lived back then) for you to have died in the flood? + No, I never did something that was so evil that the world would be better off without me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #92 October 28, 2011 QuoteDon't compare yourself to others. All right. I'm still innocent. QuoteTo an infinitely holy God, one lie is deserving of hell. That's stupid. QuoteYou mean like Him dying for those criminals who were still committing crimes against Him. That's pretty "nice." So now you're saying that god isn't just (by your bizarre baby-killing standards of justice). Huh. You could at least try and keep your story straight.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meso 38 #93 October 28, 2011 Since we're heading into the crux of God's being - I'll just leave this here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4-oq6u56rs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #94 October 28, 2011 QuoteTo an infinitely holy God, one lie is deserving of hell. If that's the case, to an infinitely holy God, sending someone to a place of eternal torture, certainly should be punished with an eternity in hell. Actually sending people to hell would be about the only reason to be send to hell. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #95 October 28, 2011 Quote...and what would be that "job description" of which you speak? QuoteTry reading the entire post rather than just the response. Try answering the question.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #96 October 28, 2011 QuoteThe Christian God is supposed to be all good, Well, there's the first misconception. Quoteso that makes the existence of undeserved evil, (like a toddler dying of AIDS in some godforsaken desert while crows are picking his /her eyes out) a rather big problem. ...and there's a second one.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaybird18c 24 #97 October 28, 2011 QuoteQuoteThe Christian God is supposed to be all good, Well, there's the first misconception. Actually, God is good...perfectly good...all the time. Our problem is usually that we misunderstand what good is. Ultimately, it's based on His standard of righteousness and not our own. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 798 #98 October 28, 2011 If there is a 'he' there is no chance in hell that what happens on this planet is considered "good". Ever. Cruel and inhumane would be much closer. OK, now make it all rose colored and religious. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meso 38 #99 October 28, 2011 God has been a big supporter of cruel and inhumane, note back to scriptures promoting the rape and pillaging of villages. Wait, God is never wrong - therefore all those things are actually not inhumane and cruel at all. Either that or it's over-ruled because it's old testament. Got to love all these little 'outs' that have been developed to make God seem like a entity worth praising. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 798 #100 October 28, 2011 Huh. Now it makes sense. Except for all those people in prison for simply doing gods work anyway..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
