grimmie 186 #26 November 13, 2011 Gingrich and Santorum want to kill Iranian civilian scientists. Is that right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #27 November 13, 2011 >that does not hold much weight anymore when obama gets one for peace then sends >a drone strike to kill a us american.... Well, it makes a bit more sense when you find out that the founder of the Nobel peace prize also invented dynamite. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #28 November 13, 2011 >You are a Troll. Your one warning. Cut it out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #29 November 13, 2011 QuoteGingrich and Santorum want to kill Iranian civilian scientists. Is that right? Are we in a cold war with Iran.... ??? I would say yes indeed.. since they are the driving force behind thousands of dead Americans.. from the Marine barracks in Lebanon... to the many dead... and maimed Americans with the IED's the manufacture and give to our enemies. I have a fairly low bar forwho are my enemies... those who wish to kill me just for being an American. Deal with it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #30 November 13, 2011 Never knew that, pretty funny. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #31 November 13, 2011 Quote Never knew that, pretty funny. DUH Funny???? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #32 November 13, 2011 I'm sorry was ironic the best word?? Either way I find humor in the fact that the guy who invented the peace prize also invented dynamite a very destructive product...why so angry? Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #33 November 13, 2011 Quote I'm sorry was ironic the best word?? Either way I find humor in the fact that the guy who invented the peace prize also invented dynamite a very destructive product...why so angry? He was worried about his legacy as the merchant of death... I know.. its a silly concept now.... in todays world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grimmie 186 #34 November 13, 2011 How ironic. We supported Iraq in 1983 against Iran. Gave then billions$$$ . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #35 November 13, 2011 Quote How ironic. We supported Iraq in 1983 against Iran. Gave then billions$$$ . Indeed.... But lets not even talk about the Great Saint Ronnie Raygun dealing with terrorists thing..... with Iran Contra. Can you say DEALING with the enemy??? From Wiki. The Iran–Contra affair (Persian: ایران-کنترا, Spanish: caso Irán-contras), also referred to as Irangate, Contragate or Iran-Contra-Gate, was a political scandal in the United States that came to light in November 1986. During the Reagan administration, senior Reagan administration officials and President Reagan secretly facilitated the sale of arms to Iran, the subject of an arms embargo.[1] Some U.S. officials also hoped that the arms sales would secure the release of hostages and allow U.S. intelligence agencies to fund the Nicaraguan Contras. Under the Boland Amendment, further funding of the Contras by the government had been prohibited by Congress. The scandal began as an operation to free American hostages being held by terrorist groups with Iranian ties. It was planned that Israel would ship weapons to Iran, and then the U.S. would resupply Israel and receive the Israeli payment. The Iranian recipients promised to do everything in their power to achieve the release of six U.S. hostages, who were being held by the Lebanese Shia Islamist group Hezbollah, who in turn were connected to the Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution. The plan deteriorated into an arms-for-hostages scheme, in which members of the executive branch sold weapons to Iran in exchange for the release of the American hostages.[2][3] Large modifications to the plan were devised by Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North of the National Security Council in late 1985, in which a portion of the proceeds from the weapon sales was diverted to fund anti-Sandinista and anti-communist rebels, or Contras, in Nicaragua.[4][5] While President Ronald Reagan was a supporter of the Contra cause,[6] no conclusive evidence has been found showing that he authorized the diversion of the money raised by the Iranian arms sales to the Contras.[2][3][7] Handwritten notes taken by Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger indicate that Reagan was aware of potential hostages transfers with Iran, as well as the sale of Hawk and TOW missiles to what he was told were "moderate elements" within that country.[8] Oliver North, one of the central figures in the affair, wrote in a book that "Ronald Reagan knew of and approved a great deal of what went on with both the Iranian initiative and private efforts on behalf of the contras and he received regular, detailed briefings on both." Mr. North also writes: "I have no doubt that he was told about the use of residuals for the Contras, and that he approved it. Enthusiastically."[9] After the weapon sales were revealed in November 1986, Reagan appeared on national television and stated that the weapons transfers had indeed occurred, but that the United States did not trade arms for hostages.[10 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #36 November 13, 2011 Trickle on economics. The idea makes sense if and only if there is every increasing demand on goods and services such that the rich and the well to do feel that they can make more money if the invested in means of manufacture and services to meet ever increasing need for goods and services. Works if you have a growing economy and a booming population. we had neither and we are paying the price.. here is how things get worse.....we are fucked! Once you pass a tax reduction it is borderline suicide to take that tax deduction away. Even those who do not obtain any benefit from said tax deduction will fight tooth and nail such that those who do get it continue to get it.....why? Simple, we are Americans and as such we are collectively no smarter than a pile of steamed carrots. We really do think that that given luck and hard work we will be liquid $35mill one day and be on easy street for the rest of our lives! Truth be told, yes a few get lucky. Be it by winning the genetic lottery or having a really freaking good idea and running with it. But the other 99% well...no matter you education or your good idea...odds are you will never be in a position to truly enjoy all those tax benefits associated with those who make well over $500k per year. Thus, I strongly suggest not getting very pissed about this. The bridge was crossed and burned, the earth salted and the sacred lamb sacrificed to feed those who's plates were already full. Only three things can save us, an amazing economic recovery, an amazing politician with back bone or an act of god. I for one am putting my money on god.Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #37 November 13, 2011 Attempt #3 Do you support POTUS being able to order the death of a US citizen without involving courts, combat, or other exigent circumstances?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #38 November 13, 2011 QuoteAttempt #3 Do you support POTUS being able to order the death of a US citizen without involving courts, combat, or other exigent circumstances? You are whining... get over it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #39 November 13, 2011 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stiglitz#Publications Joseph Stiglitz He co-authored a paper titled "Implications of the New Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Risk-Based Capital Standard" with Peter Orszag in 2002 in which they concluded "on the basis of historical experience, the risk to the government from a potential default on GSE debt is effectively zero." FAIL!Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #40 November 13, 2011 Why don't you quit your whining and answer a very direct question? "Do you support POTUS being able to order the death of a US citizen without involving courts, combat, or other exigent circumstances?" Well.....do you? Either you do or you don't.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #41 November 13, 2011 QuoteWhy don't you quit your whining and answer a very direct question? "Do you support POTUS being able to order the death of a US citizen without involving courts, combat, or other exigent circumstances?" Well.....do you? Either you do or you don't. Because I do not dance to your ludicrous drum or timetable.... neener neener neener....now quit your whining.. and go get some cheese Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #42 November 13, 2011 Quote Quote Why don't you quit your whining and answer a very direct question? "Do you support POTUS being able to order the death of a US citizen without involving courts, combat, or other exigent circumstances?" Well.....do you? Either you do or you don't. Because I do not dance to your ludicrous drum or timetable.... neener neener neener....now quit your whining.. and go get some cheese I'll take that reply as meaning "Yes, as long as a Democrat orders it but not if a Republican does." You may be a hypocrit, but at least you're consistent. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #43 November 13, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Why don't you quit your whining and answer a very direct question? "Do you support POTUS being able to order the death of a US citizen without involving courts, combat, or other exigent circumstances?" Well.....do you? Either you do or you don't. Because I do not dance to your ludicrous drum or timetable.... neener neener neener....now quit your whining.. and go get some cheese I'll take that reply as meaning "Yes, as long as a Democrat orders it but not if a Republican does." You may be a hypocrit, but at least you're consistent. Does all that whine and chees stove you up???? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #44 November 13, 2011 You call others bloodthirsty and too likely to support military action/intervention. "Do you support POTUS being able to order the death of a US citizen without involving courts, combat, or other exigent circumstances?"witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #45 November 13, 2011 Quote You call others bloodthirsty and too likely to support military action/intervention. "Do you support POTUS being able to order the death of a US citizen without involving courts, combat, or other exigent circumstances?" Enemy identification issues yet again there Kennedy FROM WIKI.. Anwar al-Awlaki ( April 22, 1971 – September 30, 2011) was a Yemeni-American[9] imam who was an engineer and educator by training.[10][11] According to U.S. government officials, he was a senior talent recruiter and motivator who was involved with planning operations for the Islamist militant group al-Qaeda.[2][7][12][13][14][15] His sermons are alleged to have helped motivate at least three attacks inside the United States,[16] and was the first U.S. citizen to be added to a list of persons approved for targeted killing by the Central Intelligence Agency.[17][18][19] With a blog, a Facebook page, and many YouTube videos, he had been described by Saudi news station Al Arabiya as the "bin Laden of the Internet".[20][21] U.S. President Barack Obama alleged that Awlaki was "the leader of external operations for Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula".[22] Free speech issues were raised when US government officials asked social media websites to remove al-Awlaki sermon videos fearing calls for jihad.[23] U.S. officials allege that Al-Awlaki spoke with and preached to a number of al-Qaeda members and affiliates, including three of the 9/11 hijackers,[24] alleged Fort Hood shooter Nidal Malik Hasan,[25][26] and alleged "Christmas Day bomber" Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab;[27][28][29] he was also allegedly involved in planning the latter's attack. The Yemeni government began trying him in absentia in November 2010, for plotting to kill foreigners and being a member of al-Qaeda, and a Yemenite judge ordered that he be captured "dead or alive".[30][31] According to U.S. officials, al-Awlaki was promoted to the rank of "regional commander" within al-Qaeda in 2009.[4][32] He repeatedly called for jihad against the United States.[33][34] In April 2010, American President Obama approved Al-Awlaki's targeted killing,[17][18][19] an action unsuccessfully challenged by al-Awlaki's father and civil rights groups.[35] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #46 November 13, 2011 QuoteQuote You call others bloodthirsty and too likely to support military action/intervention. "Do you support POTUS being able to order the death of a US citizen without involving courts, combat, or other exigent circumstances?" Enemy identification issues yet again there Kennedy FROM WIKI.. Anwar al-Awlaki ( April 22, 1971 – September 30, 2011) was a Yemeni-American[9] imam who was an engineer and educator by training.[10][11] According to U.S. government officials, he was a senior talent recruiter and motivator who was involved with planning operations for the Islamist militant group al-Qaeda.[2][7][12][13][14][15] His sermons are alleged to have helped motivate at least three attacks inside the United States,[16] and was the first U.S. citizen to be added to a list of persons approved for targeted killing by the Central Intelligence Agency.[17][18][19] With a blog, a Facebook page, and many YouTube videos, he had been described by Saudi news station Al Arabiya as the "bin Laden of the Internet".[20][21] U.S. President Barack Obama alleged that Awlaki was "the leader of external operations for Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula".[22] Free speech issues were raised when US government officials asked social media websites to remove al-Awlaki sermon videos fearing calls for jihad.[23] U.S. officials allege that Al-Awlaki spoke with and preached to a number of al-Qaeda members and affiliates, including three of the 9/11 hijackers,[24] alleged Fort Hood shooter Nidal Malik Hasan,[25][26] and alleged "Christmas Day bomber" Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab;[27][28][29] he was also allegedly involved in planning the latter's attack. The Yemeni government began trying him in absentia in November 2010, for plotting to kill foreigners and being a member of al-Qaeda, and a Yemenite judge ordered that he be captured "dead or alive".[30][31] According to U.S. officials, al-Awlaki was promoted to the rank of "regional commander" within al-Qaeda in 2009.[4][32] He repeatedly called for jihad against the United States.[33][34] In April 2010, American President Obama approved Al-Awlaki's targeted killing,[17][18][19] an action unsuccessfully challenged by al-Awlaki's father and civil rights groups.[35] So now you believe what the government tells you? How convenient it must be to pick and choose what you want to believe and what you want to dismiss for the simple reason it doesn't agree with your own personal ideals.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #47 November 13, 2011 Quote So now you believe what the government tells you? How convenient it must be to pick and choose what you want to believe and what you want to dismiss for the simple reason it doesn't agree with your own personal ideals. LOGIC .......FAIL The dude declared himself to be an enemy... he hung out with the enemy... he joined the enemy.... he fostered attacks on the country... DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE.. this is lame even by YOUR very slim standards. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #48 November 13, 2011 QuoteSo what court convicted him if treason and passed down a death sentence? Don't need to. He wasn't indicted for crimes inside the U. S. If you want to wait some years till the proceedings become unclassified, you will get your answer, possibly in the standard 20 year wait._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,452 #49 November 13, 2011 I'll bite. My answer is I'm not sure; I sure hope it doesn't happen a lot, but I'm really pretty glad that this particular guy is dead. It's a murky area, because, well, we were bombing there. Yes, we hoped we got this particular guy, but we've been bombing all kinds of places. Is there a better option that neutralizes his influence (Al Awlaki, not Obama ) As far as the economic consequences of Mr. Bush, well, he did inherit the bursting of the tech bubble, and he got stuck with 9/11. The economy wasn't going to do as well as it did under Clinton, but it didn't have to do as poorly as it did under Bush. Spending like crazy on war, telling people that no one had to sacrifice for them (except for soldiers, and all those people in the middle east), and cutting taxes to pay for it seems kind of silly in retrospect. To some of us, it seemed kind of silly at the time, too. Wendy P. There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #50 November 14, 2011 What gets me is that we went to war and he lowered taxes on those making over 250k. How was he expecting to pay for these two wars? Iraq cost us the tax payer just north of 2.5 billion per week. Afgan was 1.5 billion per week. 4 billion per week over how many years...... I know he was a solid D student but.....wtf? Yeah we get it he did what his daddy was too smart not to. And 9-11 well that was a real mess....but what did you expect when you veto a multiple billion dollar oil pipe line out of southern Russia and to the Indian ocean....hugs and kisses. But that aside he apparently spent the least of any modern president on infrastructure.Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
