DesertAttorney 0 #51 November 15, 2011 Quote“No right is absolute and with every right comes responsibilities. The First Amendment gives every New Yorker the right to speak out – but it does not give anyone the right to sleep in a park or otherwise take it over to the exclusion of others – nor does it permit anyone in our society to live outside the law. There is no ambiguity in the law here – the First Amendment protects speech – it does not protect the use of tents and sleeping bags to take over a public space." -Mayor Mike Bloomberg http://pastebin.com/CUm9zc6z A good way to get community service sentences served would be to have these lawnshitters clean up and scrub every last inch of Zucotti Park. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #52 November 15, 2011 QuoteQuote“No right is absolute and with every right comes responsibilities. The First Amendment gives every New Yorker the right to speak out – but it does not give anyone the right to sleep in a park or otherwise take it over to the exclusion of others – nor does it permit anyone in our society to live outside the law. There is no ambiguity in the law here – the First Amendment protects speech – it does not protect the use of tents and sleeping bags to take over a public space." -Mayor Mike Bloomberg http://pastebin.com/CUm9zc6z A good way to get community service sentences served would be to have these lawnshitters clean up and scrub every last inch of Zucotti Park. That release states "Owners" can you explain if it is a Privately held park "open" to the City or a City Owned Park? and what does that mean in regards to property rights trespassing etc? MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DesertAttorney 0 #53 November 15, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuote“No right is absolute and with every right comes responsibilities. The First Amendment gives every New Yorker the right to speak out – but it does not give anyone the right to sleep in a park or otherwise take it over to the exclusion of others – nor does it permit anyone in our society to live outside the law. There is no ambiguity in the law here – the First Amendment protects speech – it does not protect the use of tents and sleeping bags to take over a public space." -Mayor Mike Bloomberg http://pastebin.com/CUm9zc6z A good way to get community service sentences served would be to have these lawnshitters clean up and scrub every last inch of Zucotti Park. That release states "Owners" can you explain if it is a Privately held park "open" to the City or a City Owned Park? and what does that mean in regards to property rights trespassing etc? Matt As I understand, Zucotti is held in some grey area between private and public. Not sure, I don't do Real Estate and I am not licensed in NY. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #54 November 15, 2011 Quote(C)an you explain if it is a Privately held park "open" to the City or a City Owned Park? and what does that mean in regards to property rights trespassing etc? It is a "privately owned public space." These spaces are created in NYC as a trade off in zoning laws. Generally the trade is something like, you give us a park and we'll allow you a height variance in the zoning law. This is the case here. As such, the park isn't subject to city curfew which makes it actually the perfect place to stage an extended sit in. It's NOT trespassing to simply occupy the space and is completely fair game as a space to hold a protest. That's the PARK itself.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DesertAttorney 0 #55 November 15, 2011 QuoteIt's NOT trespassing to simply occupy the space and is completely fair game as a space to hold a protest. ...subject to Time, place, and manner (TPM) restrictions, to accommodate public convenience and promote order by regulating traffic flow, preserving property interests, conserving the environment, and protecting the administration of justice. Game, Set, Match. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 801 #56 November 15, 2011 They're also using public health and safety issues now. Apparently you can't shit where you eat, fuck, sleep, kill, rape, and party. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DesertAttorney 0 #57 November 15, 2011 I fail to see how eliminating a public health hazard is not a good thing... Fewer TB cases...yeah, bad deal.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 801 #58 November 15, 2011 That was my meaning as well. Apologies if not clear.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #59 November 15, 2011 Quotei've already answered her. you both seem to be appalled that people need to use the toilet. strange priorities... No I think we're appalled at people like you that think just because someone "needs" something you think it's ok they "take" it.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #60 November 15, 2011 QuoteBut hey, it'll probably be shrugged off anyway, because you know. Police are perfect and everyone who gets beaten by the police deserve it. Because they're each a little walking Jesus who are naturally more trust-worthy than the average protester. No it will probably be shrugged off because OWS has missed it's window of opportunity to make any sort of rational point, or effect change, and has simply become a nuisance to those nearby, and a pack of childish thugs to the rest of the country, thus ensuring that people just don't give a crap anymore. B+ for idea, F- for execution OWS.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #61 November 15, 2011 QuoteQuoteIt's NOT trespassing to simply occupy the space and is completely fair game as a space to hold a protest. ...subject to Time, place, and manner (TPM) restrictions, to accommodate public convenience and promote order by regulating traffic flow, preserving property interests, conserving the environment, and protecting the administration of justice. Game, Set, Match. It's not subject to time since there is no restriction on hours of access. As previously stated, it's public space. The Constitution provides for peaceful demonstration. Game, set, match indeed, counselor. Any attempt by people to make it appear as if the protest was, in and of itself, illegal is bound to fail. The protest itself, in that time and on that place, was absolutely legal.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #62 November 15, 2011 The OWS protestors do give a crap. All over the park. With piss, vomit, etc... My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DesertAttorney 0 #63 November 15, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteIt's NOT trespassing to simply occupy the space and is completely fair game as a space to hold a protest. ...subject to Time, place, and manner (TPM) restrictions, to accommodate public convenience and promote order by regulating traffic flow, preserving property interests, conserving the environment, and protecting the administration of justice. Game, Set, Match. It's not subject to time since there is no restriction on hours of access. As previously stated, it's public space. The Constitution provides for peaceful demonstration. Game, set, match indeed, counselor. Any attempt by people to make it appear as if the protest was, in and of itself, illegal is bound to fail. The protest itself, in that time and on that place, was absolutely legal. True, but Manner restrictions gut the Fleabaggers' desire to camp out. It's a win for the City. Without the ability to squat, they'll disperse, as they'll have no place to sleep. It's time those losers go back to their miserable little lives. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #64 November 15, 2011 QuoteQuoteyou do realise toilets flush don't you? then you can use them again... You do realize that your ilk are using other people's resources and leaving them worse. Get your own toilets and fill them and flush them. I'm sure you understand that there is more than flushing a toilet. Go to any public restroom and fund out how they are treated versus a private restroom. Your ilk are not content with figuratively shitting on people's property. It is now highly evidenced that they literally shit on it. It's the absolute disrespect for anyone else. The selfishness. The use of other people's things, leaving it worse, and then saying flippantly that "toilets flush." We know they have enough money in the original OWS group to afford the portapods...is the city or owner preventing it, or are they just cheap? DD's attitude is exactly why these camps are being removed in mass this week. Bad combination of selfish and self righteous. In contrast, interesting article today in Chronicle on a smaller protest going on in Oakland that takes a much friendlier approach to the city and the police, worries that the rabble will invade soon. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/11/15/MNJN1LV16U.DTL Those protests might get swept away with the shitters, or perhaps the movement will regroup and see that their's is the better way to keep this going. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #65 November 15, 2011 right up your street... QuoteA wave of such incitement led to vigilante mobs attacking the IWW in many places, and after the war the repression continued. In Centralia, Washington on November 11, 1919, IWW member and army veteran Wesley Everest was turned over to the lynch mob by jail guards, had his teeth smashed with a rifle butt, was castrated, lynched three times in three separate locations, and then his corpse was riddled with bullets before it was disposed of in an unmarked grave. The official coroner's report listed the victim's cause of death as "suicide." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_Workers_of_the_Worldstay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #66 November 15, 2011 Quoteright up your street... QuoteA wave of such incitement led to vigilante mobs attacking the IWW in many places, and after the war the repression continued. In Centralia, Washington on November 11, 1919, IWW member and army veteran Wesley Everest was turned over to the lynch mob by jail guards, had his teeth smashed with a rifle butt, was castrated, lynched three times in three separate locations, and then his corpse was riddled with bullets before it was disposed of in an unmarked grave. The official coroner's report listed the victim's cause of death as "suicide." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_Workers_of_the_World Hmm sounds like bubba at work and play Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DesertAttorney 0 #67 November 15, 2011 Quoteright up your street... QuoteA wave of such incitement led to vigilante mobs attacking the IWW in many places, and after the war the repression continued. In Centralia, Washington on November 11, 1919, IWW member and army veteran Wesley Everest was turned over to the lynch mob by jail guards, had his teeth smashed with a rifle butt, was castrated, lynched three times in three separate locations, and then his corpse was riddled with bullets before it was disposed of in an unmarked grave. The official coroner's report listed the victim's cause of death as "suicide." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_Workers_of_the_World Nah. I'll settle for the FleaBaggers being evicted. If they get a little jostled in the process, no problem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #68 November 15, 2011 Perhaps you've noted the distinct lack of vigilantes anywhere near any of the Fleabaggers. It hasn't happened and won't because the >99.9 percent who aren't partying with them are just leaving them alone. The police are doing things to clear them out and clean up after them. But that's neither mob nor vigilante. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #69 November 15, 2011 there's going to be years and years of these protests. plenty of time for the mobs and vigilantes to get their acts together. we're all going to be very lucky if there isn't significant bloodshed...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #70 November 15, 2011 Quotethere's going to be years and years of these protests. plenty of time for the mobs and vigilantes to get their acts together. we're all going to be very lucky if there isn't significant bloodshed... Gee. You worry about vigilantes and lawless mobs, yet "thank an anarchist" is a thread you started today. Make up your mind. Mobs and Anarchy was inextricably linked. Anarchists do not believe in the State or in laws governing conduct. Mob rule is anathema to government and law. In the event of violence and bloodshed, you can thank an anarchist. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #71 November 15, 2011 QuoteHours after baton-wielding cops cleared Occupy Wall Street protesters and their tents out of Zuccotti Park, a judge signed an order Tuesday saying the demonstrators can return with their stuff. Mayor Bloomberg said the city was trying to clarify the restraining order signed by Manhattan Supreme Court Justice Lucy Billings, a former civil liberties lawyer. In the meantime, Zuccotti — which briefly reopened after a scrub-down — would be closed to the public, Bloomberg said. Occupy Wall Street protesters had already moved to another public space, Duarte Square, at Canal St. and Sixth Ave., though it was unclear if they planned to set up camp there. As a band of about 600 streamed in, cops ringed the plaza, but were pushed back by protesters. http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2011/11/15-0stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 801 #72 November 15, 2011 DUUUUUUUUDE! It's a DOUBLE RAINBOW!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #73 November 15, 2011 QuoteQuoteHours after baton-wielding cops cleared Occupy Wall Street protesters and their tents out of Zuccotti Park, a judge signed an order Tuesday saying the demonstrators can return with their stuff. Mayor Bloomberg said the city was trying to clarify the restraining order signed by Manhattan Supreme Court Justice Lucy Billings, a former civil liberties lawyer. In the meantime, Zuccotti — which briefly reopened after a scrub-down — would be closed to the public, Bloomberg said. Occupy Wall Street protesters had already moved to another public space, Duarte Square, at Canal St. and Sixth Ave., though it was unclear if they planned to set up camp there. As a band of about 600 streamed in, cops ringed the plaza, but were pushed back by protesters. http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2011/11/15-0 QuoteJudge rules against Occupy Wall Street encampment NEW YORK (AP) — A New York judge has upheld the city's dismantling of the Occupy Wall Street encampment, saying that theprotesters' first amendment rights don't entitle them to camp out indefinitely in the plaza. Supreme Court Justice Michael Stallman on Tuesday denied a motion by the demonstrators seeking to be allowed back into the park with their tents and sleeping bags. Police cleared out the protesters in a nighttime sweep early Tuesday. The judge upheld the city's effective eviction of the protesters after an emergency appeal by the National Lawyers Guild. The protesters have been camped out in privately owned Zuccotti Park since mid-September. Mayor Michael Bloomberg said he ordered the sweep because health and safety conditions and become "intolerable" in the crowded plaza. http://news.yahoo.com/judge-rules-against-occupy-wall-street-encampment-215554380.html This isn't exactly surprising... My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #74 November 16, 2011 QuoteIt's not subject to time since there is no restriction on hours of access. As previously stated, it's public space. Privately owned public space, which means that when the owners say "go", they have to go. QuoteThe Constitution provides for peaceful demonstration. And that went out the window as soon as they started rioting...you know, that whole "peacably assemble" thing. QuoteGame, set, match indeed, counselor. Yup, he took all 3.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #75 November 16, 2011 these would be the riots invented by the criminal murdoch family and their mouthpieces...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
