rushmc 23 #51 November 21, 2011 Quote You must forgive our "establishment" apologists around here. You see.. one of the side effects of having their craniums extended to maximum penetration up their rectums... is the ability to only see commies and socialists everywhere. Its a horrible horrible affliction.. but it does lead to supporting anything that a militaristic force does to foster the further loss of our rights that they blither on and on about... as long as it is only the one or two of their favorite rights, the rest.... not so much. Wow I learned something this AM I now know why liberal heads are so big"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #52 November 21, 2011 Quote Just about every police organization uses the following use of force continuum. * Officer presense Verbal commands OC spray Hands-on techniques TASER Baton Deadly force And the first sad part is that you, and others, see no problem with that progression. The second sad part is that you don't see the protest as having been peaceful and non-violent. I feel for you, man.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #53 November 21, 2011 QuoteQuote Just about every police organization uses the following use of force continuum. * Officer presense Verbal commands OC spray Hands-on techniques TASER Baton Deadly force And the first sad part is that you, and others, see no problem with that progression. The second sad part is that you don't see the protest as having been peaceful and non-violent. I feel for you, man. And I feel for you Know the the point of my post (the one you deleted your reply to) was not so much about the violence, but rather the attitude of those replying as though they have gotten all the facts off the internet I will give LEO's the benifit of the doubt. The rest can be taken care of in a court of law Trying it here on the internet solves nothing"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #54 November 21, 2011 Quote You do realize that using pepper spray is far less dangerous to all involved than going hands-on to effect an arrest? In this situation, nope, not at all. But then that depends on how you apply that "hands-on". Picking them up (arms and legs if necessary) and carrying them away is one thing. Twisting arms with knees in the back or on the head and dragging by the hair would be rather extreme don't you think? Where's the danger? To the cops? Surely you jest. Quote they weren't just sitting there "doing nothing." Just sitting there was preventing the cops from leaving? Are you kidding? Yes, indeed, they were physically doing nothing but sitting there. QuoteThey were preventing the police from leaving the area. In top of that, do you mean to imply that the cops were going to leave and only sprayed the sitters because they were blocking the cops departure path? QuoteAfter the people on the sidewalk are sprayed they are moved out of the way and the group of officers rejoins the rest of the officers and they leave the campus. The sitters could not have been moved without being sprayed? Really? QuoteSitting still on the ground is NOT the same as "doing nothing." Ask MLK or Ghandi about that one. Ahhhh...I see. Your definition of "doing nothing" involves not being there at all. It involves being a complete sheep and not saying a word about anything that goes on in the world. Thank God for MLK and Ghandi and others who would "do something" to stand up against the BS.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #55 November 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteyou're pissing in the wind mate - this video and others have gone viral. the world is watching. the 'occupiers' are winning hands down... If by winning you mean littering, spreading disease, pissing off the general population, and getting arrested, then yes they are winning. If you mean another instance of showing the cops being abusive bullies to American citizens, then yes, they are winning.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #56 November 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteBut if you have some sort of health aliment, maybe you should think twice about attending some event that you know could turn violent. Well since this protesters weren't violent, maybe we should only give the able-bodied the right to protest., just to be safe..... No, what the police supporters in here want is for everyone to sit down and STFU. Continue to take it in the ass and STFU. Stay in your house and STFU. Pay whatever we tell you to pay and STFU. Kinda like what the Brits were telling the colonists so many years ago. Do I need to mention the Cambodian goobermint back when? Or the Vietnamese goobermint back then? Or so many other goobermint oppressors? Oh, holly hell, I almost forgot about one of my favorites...Idi Amin.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #57 November 21, 2011 Quote "if you have some predetermined medical condition, maybe you should think twice about attending some protest event that could turn violent". I never said don't attend. You want to risk being pepper sprayed ... or worse, knock yourself out. These "Occupy" squatters do not represent the 99%. They are either just indoctrinated students of socialist academia who still can not come to grips with reality or they are members of Big Labor who will never accept reality. Life on this planet is not equitable. It never has been and it never will be. Those who believe that life is equitable should not watch this video. It is not a pleasant video. It shows some cruel realities on this planet. Whoever told you life would be easy was clearly lying to you. Hard to argue against anything you said there BUT... THIS protest was not violent. The potential for escalation to violence came entirely from the police by their unreasonable initiation of a violent act. In another thread, some stated that a violent response to any provocation is justifiable. By that way of thinking, it would have been justifiable for the protesters to respond with violence. The topic at hand has nothing to do with the validity of the protest. Everyone is free to determine their own opinion on whether the protesters were on track or not. Whether the protesters were right, wrong, or indifferent, the actions of the police in this instance were off base by far and away.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #58 November 21, 2011 QuoteAnd the first sad part is that you, and others, see no problem with that progression. You should probably work on your Mad Skillz? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #59 November 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteAnd the first sad part is that you, and others, see no problem with that progression. You should probably work on your Mad Skillz? Maybe I was mistaken. Your previous posts seem to say that you, too, are opposed to the way the situation was handled.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #60 November 21, 2011 I was attempting to make a joke, and failed miserably I guess. If I lurked right on these forums, 99 of 100 times when people don't have a problem with fast progression it's due to their Mad Skillz. There, you made me explain my joke, are you happy now? As for the way that situation was handled: It's nothing short of disturbing. Not only for the obvious but also because they apparently don't understand and/or care that it's being filmed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #61 November 21, 2011 QuoteQuote You must forgive our "establishment" apologists around here. You see.. one of the side effects of having their craniums extended to maximum penetration up their rectums... is the ability to only see commies and socialists everywhere. Its a horrible horrible affliction.. but it does lead to supporting anything that a militaristic force does to foster the further loss of our rights that they blither on and on about... as long as it is only the one or two of their favorite rights, the rest.... not so much. Wow I learned something this AM I now know why liberal heads are so big A large well educated brain does help to prevent inserting ones head into ones rectum. Doing that as some here like to do... should ultimately be very painful, but with so many pinheads..... its far too easy... hence the amount of people who see themselves surrounded by commies and socialists and that daily fear factor they try to promulgate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #62 November 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuote You must forgive our "establishment" apologists around here. You see.. one of the side effects of having their craniums extended to maximum penetration up their rectums... is the ability to only see commies and socialists everywhere. Its a horrible horrible affliction.. but it does lead to supporting anything that a militaristic force does to foster the further loss of our rights that they blither on and on about... as long as it is only the one or two of their favorite rights, the rest.... not so much. Wow I learned something this AM I now know why liberal heads are so big A large well educated brain does help to prevent inserting ones head into ones rectum. Doing that as some here like to do... should ultimately be very painful, but with so many pinheads..... its far too easy... hence the amount of people who see themselves surrounded by commies and socialists and that daily fear factor they try to promulgate. So now you flip flop go figure"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #63 November 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote You must forgive our "establishment" apologists around here. You see.. one of the side effects of having their craniums extended to maximum penetration up their rectums... is the ability to only see commies and socialists everywhere. Its a horrible horrible affliction.. but it does lead to supporting anything that a militaristic force does to foster the further loss of our rights that they blither on and on about... as long as it is only the one or two of their favorite rights, the rest.... not so much. Wow I learned something this AM I now know why liberal heads are so big A large well educated brain does help to prevent inserting ones head into ones rectum. Doing that as some here like to do... should ultimately be very painful, but with so many pinheads..... its far too easy... hence the amount of people who see themselves surrounded by commies and socialists and that daily fear factor they try to promulgate. So now you flip flop go figure BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #64 November 21, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTesO1k4izE"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #65 November 21, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMKjxMCNnjw Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #66 November 21, 2011 Quotehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMKjxMCNnjw Ya I watched this democrat get a lesson from a superior before Thanks for reminding all of us"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #67 November 21, 2011 QuoteQuotehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMKjxMCNnjw Ya I watched this democrat get a lesson from a superior before Thanks for reminding all of us Geee is that the way your superiors treat people there in CORNLAND..... who knew. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
firemedic 7 #68 November 21, 2011 QuoteI'm no fan of the Occupy X protests, but that aside I think this footage is disturbing. There's a couple of kids doing absolutely nothing to provoke violence from the cops, there is a cop which douses them in tear gas with a demeanour of someone watering plants and this happens in a country I consider to be civilized and free. People who don't see what's wrong here might want to ask themselves how they would feel if they where protesting peacefully for a cause they deemed just and that was done to them. If I were protesting I wouldn't plant my ass down on a public sidewalk obstructing the rights of other people to use it. I would set down on the grass right next to the sidewalk and make my opinion known from there. That's how I would treat others and expect to be treated. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #69 November 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteI'm no fan of the Occupy X protests, but that aside I think this footage is disturbing. There's a couple of kids doing absolutely nothing to provoke violence from the cops, there is a cop which douses them in tear gas with a demeanour of someone watering plants and this happens in a country I consider to be civilized and free. People who don't see what's wrong here might want to ask themselves how they would feel if they where protesting peacefully for a cause they deemed just and that was done to them. If I were protesting I wouldn't plant my ass down on a public sidewalk obstructing the rights of other people to use it. I would set down on the grass right next to the sidewalk and make my opinion known from there. That's how I would treat others and expect to be treated. Which requires someone to show respect for others Something the OWS crowd does not do"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #70 November 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteJust about every police organization uses the following use of force continuum. * Officer presense Verbal commands OC spray Hands-on techniques TASER Baton Deadly force And the first sad part is that you, and others, see no problem with that progression. The second sad part is that you don't see the protest as having been peaceful and non-violent. I feel for you, man. Save your feelings. I'm sick and tired of arguing facts and laws again people's feelings. I tried sharing information with uninformed folks, particularly marinus. Whether you like it or not, that is how things work. And before someone else has a hissy fit, they were placed in that order for a reason. If you want to understand why, ask, and someone can explain it to you. If you'd rather complain to people who agree with you, then have your circle jerk and enjoy, but I won't be there. I have said before peaceful and nonviolent are not the same thing. Do you think they are? If not, what is the difference to your mind? edit to add Lawrocket said it better and with more patience. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4225946#4225946witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
firemedic 7 #71 November 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteI'm no fan of the Occupy X protests, but that aside I think this footage is disturbing. There's a couple of kids doing absolutely nothing to provoke violence from the cops, there is a cop which douses them in tear gas with a demeanour of someone watering plants and this happens in a country I consider to be civilized and free. People who don't see what's wrong here might want to ask themselves how they would feel if they where protesting peacefully for a cause they deemed just and that was done to them. If I were protesting I wouldn't plant my ass down on a public sidewalk obstructing the rights of other people to use it. I would set down on the grass right next to the sidewalk and make my opinion known from there. That's how I would treat others and expect to be treated. Which requires someone to show respect for others Something the OWS crowd does not do I agree. In simple terms they are trying to make their point by being as noisy and irritating as possible everyone else be damned. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #72 November 21, 2011 >In simple terms they are trying to make their point by being as noisy and irritating >as possible everyone else be damned. Are you talking about the Tea Party or the OWS people here? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #73 November 21, 2011 Quote>In simple terms they are trying to make their point by being as noisy and irritating >as possible everyone else be damned. Are you talking about the Tea Party or the OWS people here? How many bridges, streets or sidewalks did TEA Party rallies shut down? How many businesses did TEA Party rallies destroy? How many legally operating ports did TEA Party rallies shut down? How many people were annoyed to the point of legal action against TEA Party rallies? I think it's pretty clear who he's talking about, and I think you knew it. Bill you're usually good at getting a point across with one liners pointing out faults in others' posts, but not this one.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #74 November 21, 2011 >How many bridges, streets or sidewalks did TEA Party rallies shut down? Not many. But he wasn't talking about that - he was talking about groups trying to make their point by being as noisy and irritating as possible. And THAT is something the Tea Party are masters of. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
firemedic 7 #75 November 21, 2011 Quote >In simple terms they are trying to make their point by being as noisy and irritating >as possible everyone else be damned. Are you talking about the Tea Party or the OWS people here? Take your pick Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
