airdvr 210 #201 November 28, 2011 QuoteIf the Germans figured out how to carry those protesters away, It shouldn't be too hard for Lt Baldy mcPepper to figure out how to unlink arms http://www.greenkids.de/europas-atomerbe/index.php/Castor_Resistance_2008_-_Blockades_On_The_Tracks_By_Harlingen QuoteThe first blockaders were taken away carefully after being asked if they wanted to go voluntarily. Later more and more aggressive police officers could be seen, twisting the hands of some activists and making them scream. At least one activist could be watched when a police officer again and again tried to grab his testicles and to cause pain on him. Not every police officer was this brutal but their were many blockaders who were dragged over the gravel, some carried headfirst and many screaming because of pain caused by police grips. Obviously, the nice and friendly words of the police chief were untrue. They used violence against people to achieve their aims if they wanted to, without regard to peoples' health. FAIL. Take a look at the pictures. I see no chains or concrete, and there isn't any mention of them in the article. Care to try again?Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #202 November 28, 2011 Quote"Activists said some 150 people were injured as police dispersed some protests with tear gas and batons over the weekend, the German news agency dapd reported." Your source says nothing about how peaceful those protesters were, but from the same article: QuotePolice also clashed with two groups of protesters that hurled stones and fireworks at officers. Several officers were injured and at least 10 people detained, Kuehm-Stoltz said. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #203 November 28, 2011 Ok, and your point would be what? Trying to convince us that the two quotes are referencing the same people? Good luck with that - the Polizei don't tend to let you walk once they've had to use the baton to get you to comply with commands.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #204 November 28, 2011 You're right, this is another protest, I made a mistake. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vQA4XdWL7A http://storyful.com/stories/1000014563 There you go! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #205 November 28, 2011 My point was giving your post the reaction it deserved. I wasn't trying to convince you of anything, since you obviously already had seen that source. I just did what you did, I cherry picked from it. Oh, and you don't have to tell me a thing about the Polizei. I live about a 10 minutes drive from the German border and I've been there quite often. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #206 November 28, 2011 QuoteMy point was giving your post the reaction it deserved. And mine gave yours the reaction *it* deserved. QuoteI wasn't trying to convince you of anything, since you obviously already had seen that source. I just did what you did, I cherry picked from it. Cherry picked? So, why don't you provide the description of the peaceful protesters or how the police used other methods, then? Oh, wait... there's *not* any mention of the peaceful protesters or other methods used.... so much for that attempt to cover your ass. QuoteOh, and you don't have to tell me a thing about the Polizei. I live about a 10 minutes drive from the German border and I've been there quite often. Then you know they have no problem with using pain compliance methods.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #207 November 28, 2011 I never claimed that pepper spray/tear gas isn't used by German cops. The source just showed what German cops do in a situation that's similar to the situation on UC Davis. That makes my source relevant, especially since Kennedy specifically claimed that German cops pepper spray seated peaceful protesters as a standard procedure. Well, apparently they don't. I implied it multiple times but especially for you I'll explicitly say it: I'm not against the proportionate use of pepper spray and/or tear gas in situations with aggressive people that pose a threat to others and/or property etc, but I'm against the use of that in situations that don't need it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #208 November 28, 2011 but I'm against the use of that in situations that don't need it. And I guess YOU want to be the one who decides when that is and when it isnt!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #209 November 28, 2011 My understanding is that the engagement rules have been changed. In the future, before using pepper spray, the police will first try tickling the protesters to try and get them to move. I think tickling will be much more effective. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #210 November 28, 2011 QuoteWell, apparently they don't. Just because they didn't in one incident doesn't mean they never do it at all.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #211 November 28, 2011 QuoteYou're right, this is another protest, I made a mistake. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vQA4XdWL7A http://storyful.com/stories/1000014563 There you go! That one's worse. Doesn't tell me anything about how the protesters were treated.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #212 November 28, 2011 QuoteThat one's worse. Doesn't tell me anything about how the protesters were treated. Yes, it does. You can see several protesters that are looking suspiciously non-sprayed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #213 November 28, 2011 QuoteJust because they didn't in one incident doesn't mean they never do it at all. And the burden of proof lies with the one who claims, in this case Kennedy, who claimed that German cops use pepper spray as a standard tool when they're arresting non-violent seated protesters. I showed two vids that tell us otherwise, it might be a good idea if he showed us a vid of German cops pepper spraying non-violent seated protesters. But apparently K. just opens another tread about the same subject whenever it gets to tough for him. Anyway, I'm getting a bit bored, so I'll be gone while I wait for his unlikely return Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #214 November 28, 2011 Quote***, it might be a good idea if he showed us a vid of German cops pepper spraying non-violent seated protesters. http://www.asylum.co.uk/2010/12/30/german-police-use-pepper-spray-on-snowballers/ http://www.demotix.com/news/875015/police-use-batons-and-pepper-spray-during-occupy-berlin-protests You're going to have to speak up. Your pants are muffling your voice.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #215 November 28, 2011 OK, I'll bite: Hurling objects at cops =/= protesting seated. It might have been an overreaction, it might have been a threatening situation. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRT6ESp8198 moving footage of the Occupy Berlin incident: not a peaceful seated protest. watch from 5:20 onwards. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #216 November 28, 2011 Actually I think a TASR might be more effecive. Positive end on one side of the line, negative on the other. See how long the people will want to have their arms intertwined. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #217 November 29, 2011 QuoteQuoteSomehow they solve the situation without the use of pepper spray. "Activists said some 150 people were injured as police dispersed some protests with tear gas and batons over the weekend, the German news agency dapd reported." Tear gas and pepper spray are not the same and are used under different circumstances. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #218 November 29, 2011 Quote Actually I think a TASR might be more effecive. Positive end on one side of the line, negative on the other. See how long the people will want to have their arms intertwined. Hmm the visual that brings to mind "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 801 #219 November 29, 2011 Electric spoons at a boogie??? Electric rifles have a bit more zzzZZZZZAP! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #220 November 29, 2011 Quote Quote Actually I think a TASR might be more effecive. Positive end on one side of the line, negative on the other. See how long the people will want to have their arms intertwined. Hmm the visual that brings to mind Interesting... very interesting.... which other forms of brutality do you enjoy watching?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #221 November 29, 2011 QuoteInteresting... very interesting.... which other forms of brutality do you enjoy watching?? political debates... no...I'm lying. I don't enjoy that either ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #222 November 29, 2011 Quote Quote Interesting... very interesting.... which other forms of brutality do you enjoy watching?? political debates... no...I'm lying. I don't enjoy that either I seem to remember some School of the America's graduates... who enjoyed a somewhat different flavor of "political debates" too. They were quite adept at the application of electricity on the human body as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #223 November 30, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Actually I think a TASR might be more effecive. Positive end on one side of the line, negative on the other. See how long the people will want to have their arms intertwined. Hmm the visual that brings to mind Interesting... very interesting.... which other forms of brutality do you enjoy watching?? What is interesting is the twisted direction your mind goes off in..... Oh wait!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #224 November 30, 2011 >>Interesting... very interesting.... which other forms of brutality do you enjoy >>watching?? >What is interesting is the twisted direction your mind goes off in..... Both of you cut it out. Amazon, this is your last chance. Often your posts are nothing but attempts to piss other people off (which is, of course, the definition of trolling.) That means no more RePUBICans. No more BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA. No more Hope you like the DRIP DRIP DRIP TRICKLE. No more How often do you beat your wife? And Mark, same to you. Enough of the one liners and the clever putdowns. If you want to post something substantial, post it. If not send your putdowns in PM's. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #225 November 30, 2011 Quote>>Interesting... very interesting.... which other forms of brutality do you enjoy >>watching?? >What is interesting is the twisted direction your mind goes off in..... Both of you cut it out. Amazon, this is your last chance. Often your posts are nothing but attempts to piss other people off (which is, of course, the definition of trolling.) That means no more RePUBICans. No more BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA. No more Hope you like the DRIP DRIP DRIP TRICKLE. No more How often do you beat your wife? And Mark, same to you. Enough of the one liners and the clever putdowns. If you want to post something substantial, post it. If not send your putdowns in PM's. I do not send attack PM's I will not start now either A couple here have insinuated that I have and I called them on the bs telling them to post them in the forum Neither ever did because they had nothing to post I do not think suggesting attacks in PM's is right either Marc"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
