kallend 2,106 #26 November 18, 2011 QuoteSo. Just because you could possibly rape more taxes from those who work should it be your first option? Get the troops home, stop funding other countries, force those who owe you to settle their bills, cut absurd wasteful spending. How can you hold your hand out for money while still wearing a rolex watch on your wrist.... I'm not holding out my hand for anything. If the upper tax brackets are raised I will in fact lose. I STILL think it's the right thing to do.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #27 November 18, 2011 QuoteQuoteExactly why the "Fair Tax" movement is stupid. Calling it "stupid" is just as subjective as calling it "fair." Anyway, the majority of Americans don't want a fair econony or fair taxation, and that stupidity is the greatest reason we don't have a sustainable economy or government. Disagree. Calling something by a name that is an oxymoron IS stupid.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #28 November 18, 2011 QuoteThe question of whether human aversion to unfair treatment—now shown by other primates—is an evolved behavior or the result of the cultural influence of large social institutions like religion, governments, and schools, in the case of humans, has intrigued scientists in recent years. The new finding suggests evolution may have something to do with it. It also highlights questions about the economic and evolutionary nature of cooperation and its relationship to a species' sense of fairness, while adding yet another chapter to our understanding of primates. "It looks like this behavior is evolved … it is not simply a cultural construct. There's some good evolutionary reason why we don't like being treated unfairly," said Sarah Brosnan, lead author of the study to be published in tomorrow's issue of the science journal Nature. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/09/0917_030917_monkeyfairness.htmlstay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #29 November 19, 2011 monkeyfairness... "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #30 November 19, 2011 QuoteQuoteSo. Just because you could possibly rape more taxes from those who work should it be your first option? Get the troops home, stop funding other countries, force those who owe you to settle their bills, cut absurd wasteful spending. How can you hold your hand out for money while still wearing a rolex watch on your wrist.... I'm not holding out my hand for anything. If the upper tax brackets are raised I will in fact lose. I STILL think it's the right thing to do. And yet, you *STILL* won't cough up more until you're forced to.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #31 November 19, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteSo. Just because you could possibly rape more taxes from those who work should it be your first option? Get the troops home, stop funding other countries, force those who owe you to settle their bills, cut absurd wasteful spending. How can you hold your hand out for money while still wearing a rolex watch on your wrist.... I'm not holding out my hand for anything. If the upper tax brackets are raised I will in fact lose. I STILL think it's the right thing to do. And yet, you *STILL* won't cough up more until you're forced to. Neither I, nor Warren Buffett, can cure the deficit problem on our own. EVERYONE has to contribute, and that can only be achieved by forcing the greedy among the 1% to contribute too. Italy is a perfect example of what happens to a nation when the rich can avoid contributing.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #32 November 19, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSo. Just because you could possibly rape more taxes from those who work should it be your first option? Get the troops home, stop funding other countries, force those who owe you to settle their bills, cut absurd wasteful spending. How can you hold your hand out for money while still wearing a rolex watch on your wrist.... I'm not holding out my hand for anything. If the upper tax brackets are raised I will in fact lose. I STILL think it's the right thing to do. And yet, you *STILL* won't cough up more until you're forced to. Neither I, not Warren Buffett, can cure the deficit problem on our own. EVERYONE has to contribute, and that can only be achieved by forcing the greedy among the 1% to contribute too. Italy is a perfect example of what happens to a nation when the rich can avoid contributing. Every bit helps, and you and Warren *still* won't do it voluntarily.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #33 November 19, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSo. Just because you could possibly rape more taxes from those who work should it be your first option? Get the troops home, stop funding other countries, force those who owe you to settle their bills, cut absurd wasteful spending. How can you hold your hand out for money while still wearing a rolex watch on your wrist.... I'm not holding out my hand for anything. If the upper tax brackets are raised I will in fact lose. I STILL think it's the right thing to do. And yet, you *STILL* won't cough up more until you're forced to. Neither I, not Warren Buffett, can cure the deficit problem on our own. EVERYONE has to contribute, and that can only be achieved by forcing the greedy among the 1% to contribute too. Italy is a perfect example of what happens to a nation when the rich can avoid contributing. Every bit helps, and you and Warren *still* won't do it voluntarily. no, all you're doing is making a topic personal - repeatedly...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #34 November 19, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSo. Just because you could possibly rape more taxes from those who work should it be your first option? Get the troops home, stop funding other countries, force those who owe you to settle their bills, cut absurd wasteful spending. How can you hold your hand out for money while still wearing a rolex watch on your wrist.... I'm not holding out my hand for anything. If the upper tax brackets are raised I will in fact lose. I STILL think it's the right thing to do. And yet, you *STILL* won't cough up more until you're forced to. Neither I, not Warren Buffett, can cure the deficit problem on our own. EVERYONE has to contribute, and that can only be achieved by forcing the greedy among the 1% to contribute too. Italy is a perfect example of what happens to a nation when the rich can avoid contributing. Every bit helps, and you and Warren *still* won't do it voluntarily. Name a developed industrial nation where the national budget is balanced by voluntary contributions to revenues, as opposed to taxation. Oh, you can't since that was asked of you the last time you brought up this red herring.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #35 November 20, 2011 QuoteQuoteMoney isn't taxed, people (and "virtual people" or "artificial people" like corporations) are taxed. but this is still idiotic - it's just another income transaction - there's no reason for recipients to be taxed on those dollars at a rate different from any other dollars It's actually not just another income transaction. Wages, dividends, interest, capital gains, sales, stock options... they're all consideration for some form of economic activity. So long as the government continues to enable economic activity, it makes sense to tax these things to pay for it. It's at least theoretically sustainable (provided we get borrowing under control) because there is some feedback involved. Passing an estate to an heir is not consideration for anything. Dying or having a relative die is not an economic activity that the government enabled in any way. Estate taxes are a feel-good money grab because people hate the idea of "old money," but they're not sustainable. Kallend has pointed out numerous times that taxes aren't supposed to be "fair" but rather they're supposed to pay for shit. I agree with that much, and my argument isn't about estate taxes being fair or not, it's about them being short-sighted and stupid. People make the argument that the rich need to be paying more, which is okay. I think the tax brackets could stand to be fixed (both federal and in my state) and I think we need to fix how we differentiate long term capital gains from other investment vehicles to prevent people who make large amounts of what is for all intents and purposes wage income from being able to simply call it an "investment" and only pay 15% federal tax on it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #36 November 21, 2011 QuoteName a developed industrial nation where the national budget is balanced by voluntary contributions to revenues, as opposed to taxation. Oh, you can't since that was asked of you the last time you brought up this red herring. Just where did I or anyone else say that voluntary donations would replace taxation? We didn't - so, can you kindly quit playing with your strawman? The stuffing is getting everywhere. Thanks for proving that *your* greed is evidently ok, though.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #37 November 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteName a developed industrial nation where the national budget is balanced by voluntary contributions to revenues, as opposed to taxation. Oh, you can't since that was asked of you the last time you brought up this red herring. Just where did I or anyone else say that voluntary donations would replace taxation? We didn't - so, can you kindly quit playing with your strawman? The stuffing is getting everywhere. Thanks for proving that *your* greed is evidently ok, though. once AGAIN you make it personal - the mods should be getting fed up of this...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #38 November 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteName a developed industrial nation where the national budget is balanced by voluntary contributions to revenues, as opposed to taxation. Oh, you can't since that was asked of you the last time you brought up this red herring. Just where did I or anyone else say that voluntary donations would replace taxation? We didn't - so, can you kindly quit playing with your strawman? The stuffing is getting everywhere. Thanks for proving that *your* greed is evidently ok, though. once AGAIN you make it personal - the mods should be getting fed up of this... *yawn* Seems you understand the meaning of personal attack about as well as you understand economy or politics - that is to say, not at all. Shall I point out all the personal remarks you've made to people, or do you just want to abandon the point before you look any more foolish?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #39 November 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteName a developed industrial nation where the national budget is balanced by voluntary contributions to revenues, as opposed to taxation. Oh, you can't since that was asked of you the last time you brought up this red herring. Just where did I or anyone else say that voluntary donations would replace taxation? We didn't - so, can you kindly quit playing with your strawman? The stuffing is getting everywhere. Thanks for proving that *your* greed is evidently ok, though. once AGAIN you make it personal - the mods should be getting fed up of this... *yawn* Seems you understand the meaning of personal attack about as well as you understand economy or politics - that is to say, not at all. Shall I point out all the personal remarks you've made to people, or do you just want to abandon the point before you look any more foolish? you're just about stalking with your constant 'you won't contribute voluntarily' to the same individual - over and over and over again (dozens of times now). perhaps we should have a red flag system for you...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #40 November 21, 2011 Quoteyou're just about stalking with your constant 'you won't contribute voluntarily' to the same individual - over and over and over again (dozens of times now). perhaps we should have a red flag system for you... Again, do you REALLY us to show all your posts doing the exact same thing, Kevin? Here, have a tissue.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #41 November 21, 2011 just stop stalking the same person with the exact same personal point. we'll count the red flags as you try to end this habit...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #42 November 21, 2011 Quotejust stop stalking the same person with the exact same personal point. we'll count the red flags as you try to end this habit... Take your own advice, first.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #43 November 21, 2011 QuoteQuotejust stop stalking the same person with the exact same personal point. we'll count the red flags as you try to end this habit... Take your own advice, first. my advice is to stop making the exact same personal point to the exact same person over and over again. we'll count your red flags if you slip...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #44 November 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuotejust stop stalking the same person with the exact same personal point. we'll count the red flags as you try to end this habit... Take your own advice, first. my advice While I know it's a hard blow to your ego, you're just another poster here, so your 'advice' has even less merit than your cut-n-paste spews from alter-nut.com. Quoteis to stop making the exact same personal point to the exact same person over and over again. So you're going to stop mentioning bubba to DA all the time? Super. Quotewe'll count your red flags if you slip... What's this *we* bit, you have a mouse in your pocket?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #45 November 21, 2011 no red flag yet stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #46 November 21, 2011 Delicious irony... QuoteNEW YORK—NetJets, a unit of Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway Inc., this week sued the Internal Revenue Service over what it called an "illegal" $643 million tax assessment. The IRS had determined that NetJets had failed to collect a "ticket tax" from its customers—the same tax that's paid by passengers every time they fly on a commercial flight. NetJets, a division of billionaire Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway, failed to collect a 'ticket tax' from customers, the IRS claims. But NetJets argued in the lawsuit, filed in a federal court in Ohio on Monday, that the tax was meant to be paid only by commercial or charter passengers. NetJets, in contrast, primarily sells or leases shares in planes to wealthy flyers. It calls its clients "owners" of a fraction of a plane. "The IRS's assessments in this case improperly extend application of the ticket tax beyond commercial airline and charter passengers, to persons who own the aircraft on which they fly," the company said in the suit. NetJets also claimed that the IRS hadn't attempted to assess such taxes on rival fractional-jet businesses, placing the company "at a significant disadvantage." Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #47 November 21, 2011 that's better stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #48 November 21, 2011 The point you are attempting to make is just plain stupid.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #49 November 21, 2011 Quote The point you are attempting to make is just plain stupid. Attempting to make? No, it's already made....your oh-so-important "the rich must pay" isn't important enough for you do anything about until you're forced to by law.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #50 November 21, 2011 QuoteQuote The point you are attempting to make is just plain stupid. Attempting to make? No, it's already made....your oh-so-important "the rich must pay" isn't important enough for you do anything about until you're forced to by law. Strawman, and a lame one at that. Everyone must contribute, including the "rich" who have bought and paid for the Congress to shift an ever greater percentage of the nation's wealth in their direction. And that's ALL of the rich, not only those with a sense of patriotism.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
