Amazon 7 #26 November 18, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote And the REST of the family???? And their "friends" who did so very very well.... Have more numbers to back that statement up or are you just guessing that the rest of his family and friends did so much better? Friends of the Administration..... did very very well... look up Blackwater.. KBR... and on and on and on I'm just asking you to provide factual evidence to back up your statement. Didn't realize that was so hard to do. Follow the money....oh and follow the fraud cases... the truth is right there under a few clicks of the mouse. Example from Wiki Bechtel Iraq On April 17, 2003, following the 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq, George W Bush, through USAID, awarded the first Iraq reconstruction contract, valued at $680 million, to Bechtel. [15][16] It is alleged that some of the construction projects managed by Bechtel were either poorly implemented, failing within months of their installation, or designed in such a way that Iraqi engineers did not have the knowledge or components to fix Bechtel's proprietary technology.[17][18] On May 5, 2003, The New Yorker ran an article revealing that the bin Laden family had passively invested several million dollars in The Fremont Group, a private equity fund owned by the Bechtel family.[19] Executives Riley P. Bechtel is the CEO of Bechtel. With a net worth of $3.2 billion, he is the 50th wealthiest person in the U.S. and the 127th richest in the world. In February 2003, he was appointed by President George W. Bush to the Export Council, which advises the president on international trade issues. He served for one year. David O'Reilly serves on the Bechtel Group, Inc. board of directors and is the former chairman & CEO of Chevron. George P. Shultz is the former U.S. Secretary of State under Ronald Reagan, former president of Bechtel, and a former Bechtel director. He is a former member of the board of Dillon, Read & Co. Inc. The late Caspar Weinberger served as the United States Secretary of Defense under Ronald Reagan. Prior to holding this position, Weinberger was the Vice President, Director, and General Counsel of the Bechtel Group of companies. Gen. John J. Sheehan, USMC (ret.) is the former NATO Supreme Allied Commander, Atlantic and the former Special Advisor to Asia for the U.S. Defense Department and the former General Manager of the Petroleum and Chemical Business Unit for Europe/Africa/Middle East/South West Asia and was also a Bechtel partner. He was also a member of the Defense Policy Board. Ross J. Connelly is the former CEO of Bechtel Energy Resources Corporation. He served on the Overseas Private Investment Corporation under George W. Bush. W. Kenneth Davis is a former Bechtel senior vice-president and is the former U.S. Deputy Energy Secretary. David Welch former assistant secretary of state under George W Bush. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #27 November 18, 2011 QuoteI'm just asking you to provide factual evidence to back up your statement. Didn't realize that was so hard to do. For her? Damned near impossible.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #28 November 18, 2011 QuoteOn April 17, 2003, following the 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq, George W Bush, through USAID, awarded the first Iraq reconstruction contract, valued at $680 million, to Bechtel. So, they've got proof that Bush told USAID "give the contract to Bechtel"? Let's see it.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elite_Marksman 0 #29 November 18, 2011 Quote Example from Wiki Bechtel Iraq On April 17, 2003, following the 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq, George W Bush, through USAID, awarded the first Iraq reconstruction contract, valued at $680 million, to Bechtel. [15][16] It is alleged that some of the construction projects managed by Bechtel were either poorly implemented, failing within months of their installation, or designed in such a way that Iraqi engineers did not have the knowledge or components to fix Bechtel's proprietary technology.[17][18] Alleged, things that are "alleged" are not proven, and are therefore not factual evidence. Quote On May 5, 2003, The New Yorker ran an article revealing that the bin Laden family had passively invested several million dollars in The Fremont Group, a private equity fund owned by the Bechtel family.[19] Osama bin Laden's family or his parent's family? bin Laden's parents were largely sympathetic to the US, Osama on the other hand... Quote Executives Riley P. Bechtel is the CEO of Bechtel. With a net worth of $3.2 billion, he is the 50th wealthiest person in the U.S. and the 127th richest in the world. In February 2003, he was appointed by President George W. Bush to the Export Council, which advises the president on international trade issues. He served for one year. David O'Reilly serves on the Bechtel Group, Inc. board of directors and is the former chairman & CEO of Chevron. George P. Shultz is the former U.S. Secretary of State under Ronald Reagan, former president of Bechtel, and a former Bechtel director. He is a former member of the board of Dillon, Read & Co. Inc. The late Caspar Weinberger served as the United States Secretary of Defense under Ronald Reagan. Prior to holding this position, Weinberger was the Vice President, Director, and General Counsel of the Bechtel Group of companies. Gen. John J. Sheehan, USMC (ret.) is the former NATO Supreme Allied Commander, Atlantic and the former Special Advisor to Asia for the U.S. Defense Department and the former General Manager of the Petroleum and Chemical Business Unit for Europe/Africa/Middle East/South West Asia and was also a Bechtel partner. He was also a member of the Defense Policy Board. Ross J. Connelly is the former CEO of Bechtel Energy Resources Corporation. He served on the Overseas Private Investment Corporation under George W. Bush. W. Kenneth Davis is a former Bechtel senior vice-president and is the former U.S. Deputy Energy Secretary. David Welch former assistant secretary of state under George W Bush. Not sure exactly what this is supposed to prove. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #30 November 18, 2011 QuoteQuoteI'm just asking you to provide factual evidence to back up your statement. Didn't realize that was so hard to do. For her? Damned near impossible. No amount of evidence by any means at any time would get you to realize anything bad about those you worship. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #31 November 18, 2011 Rub a few brain cells together and see what cha come up with Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elite_Marksman 0 #32 November 18, 2011 Not sure who you think I worship, it sure as hell isn't a politician. However, I tend to believe what the facts say, and the facts that I have seen to do not say what you say. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #33 November 18, 2011 QuoteNot sure who you think I worship, it sure as hell isn't a politician. However, I tend to believe what the facts say, and the facts that I have seen to do not say what you say. Uh huh.. get to rubbin...maybe you could come up with something... or do you need FAUX News and the EIB to think for you as well?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #34 November 18, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteI'm just asking you to provide factual evidence to back up your statement. Didn't realize that was so hard to do. For her? Damned near impossible. No amount of evidence by any means at any time would get you to realize anything bad about those you worship. FIRST you need to actually *HAVE* evidence and not just vague accusations.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #35 November 18, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI'm just asking you to provide factual evidence to back up your statement. Didn't realize that was so hard to do. For her? Damned near impossible. No amount of evidence by any means at any time would get you to realize anything bad about those you worship. FIRST you need to actually *HAVE* evidence and not just vague accusations. http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=War_in_Iraq The first rationale for the war in Iraq was that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. But he didn't - as we well know after extensive searches since the beginning of the US invasion. [2] The next rationale for the war in Iraq was that Saddam had ties to terrorists. But he didn't. The next rationale for the war in Iraq was that Saddam was a brutal dictator who had killed hundreds thousands of his own people every year. But then we killed tens of thousands of his people in less than two years time - perhaps even a hundred thousand, according to a demographic research published in the Lancet. [3] The next rationale for the war in Iraq was that we could make democracy flourish in the Middle East, put a dent in militant Islam, improve America's standing in the Arab world, and make Israel safer--all by "liberating" Iraq. But we haven't created a democracy, militant Islam is at a fever pitch, our occupation of Iraq has created unparalleled ill will in the Arab world, and it would be delusional to think that Israel is safer today than before the war. The next rationale for the war in Iraq was that Saddam was a brutal dictator who had tortured his own people in prisons like Abu Ghraib. But then the whole world saw that we 'tortured' his people in prisons like Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay. What does that leave? By our thinking it leaves arrogance, abuse of power, religious zealotry, and oil. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #36 November 18, 2011 Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #37 November 18, 2011 Quote Texas version Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #38 November 18, 2011 Useless link version, since I can't access youtube.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #39 November 18, 2011 Quote Useless link version, since I can't access youtube. Trust me.. it fits Especially those of you who are just HATEING.... to hear any discouraging words on your home on the polluted range. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #40 November 18, 2011 Quote Quote Useless link version, since I can't access youtube. Trust me.. it fits Especially those of you who are just HATEING.... to hear any discouraging words on your home on the polluted range. So, the usual accusations with no proof?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #41 November 18, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Useless link version, since I can't access youtube. Trust me.. it fits Especially those of you who are just HATEING.... to hear any discouraging words on your home on the polluted range. So, the usual accusations with no proof? Want proof.. get your hero to take a trip to Europe where he would not get your vast wealth of adulation Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elite_Marksman 0 #42 November 18, 2011 QuoteThe first rationale for the war in Iraq was that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. But he didn't - as we well know after extensive searches since the beginning of the US invasion. [2] Ah, hindsight is 20/20. Intelligence at the time led people to believe that he possessed or was attempting to possess WMD, primarily chemical and biological agents. Chemical agents in particular are quite easy for just about any nation to manufacture, as they are very closely related to many common pesticides. But this is ignoring the whole fact that Saddam repeatedly ejected UN weapons inspectors from the country, which was a violation of the armistice that ended the first Gulf War and in and of itself would have justified further action. Quote The next rationale for the war in Iraq was that Saddam had ties to terrorists. But he didn't. Ah, but he did. the Iraqi government did have contact with al-Qaeda, though there was not a cooperative relationship. The Iraqi government did however support Islamic Jihad, and thus it was feared that he would have no objection to supporting al-Qaeda. Quote The next rationale for the war in Iraq was that Saddam was a brutal dictator who had killed hundreds thousands of his own people every year. But then we killed tens of thousands of his people in less than two years time - perhaps even a hundred thousand, according to a demographic research published in the Lancet. [3] The vast majority of civilian casualties inflicted by the US were either unintended, mistaken identity, or mistaken intentions. That does not make it right, but its a hell of a lot better than intentional murder that Hussein committed. Quote The next rationale for the war in Iraq was that we could make democracy flourish in the Middle East, put a dent in militant Islam, improve America's standing in the Arab world, and make Israel safer--all by "liberating" Iraq. But we haven't created a democracy, militant Islam is at a fever pitch, our occupation of Iraq has created unparalleled ill will in the Arab world, and it would be delusional to think that Israel is safer today than before the war. The next rationale for the war in Iraq was that Saddam was a brutal dictator who had tortured his own people in prisons like Abu Ghraib. But then the whole world saw that we 'tortured' his people in prisons like Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay. Actually, Iraq is now a Federal Parliamentary Republic, about as close to a democracy as the US is. Did we put a dent in militant Islam? Abu Musab al-Zaquari, Abu Ayyub al-Masri, Abu Anas al-Shami, Mohamed Moumou just to name a few. All of these people were known to have ties to terrorism before the beginning of OIF. Is Isreal safer? Doubtful, would be any safer if the US did nothing? Nobody can answer that. The actions if Abu Gharib and Guantanamo Bay (the "torture" waterboarding, etc) are obviously not the actions of a civilized state. You will not get any complaints about that from me. Quote What does that leave? By our thinking it leaves arrogance, abuse of power, religious zealotry, and oil. By my reasoning, not it does not. With the evidence available at the time, the decision to invade Iraq was the correct one. Perhaps we would make a different decision today, but I bet there's a lot we would all do differently if we had the opportunity... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #43 November 18, 2011 It may help. It's not enough by itself to prevent the purchase of the Congress, however.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
