cocheese 0 #1 November 20, 2011 Does it bug anyone else when a black politian, judge, or anyone else on TV uses words like AXE instead of ASK or Wiff for WITH and Birffday? really? Or leaving out small words such as was, were, is, be, been, etc. People from other countries can talk right, why can't blacks in USA talk right? Is asking to talk right asking too much? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #2 November 20, 2011 Is asking to talk right asking too much? Depends Dem or Republican Remember the stir from Bush's pronunciation of nuclear? Compared to Obama's pronunciation of corpsman?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #3 November 20, 2011 Quote Does it bug anyone else when a black politian, judge, or anyone else on TV uses words like AXE instead of ASK or Wiff for WITH and Birffday? really? Or leaving out small words such as was, were, is, be, been, etc. People from other countries can talk right, why can't blacks in USA talk right?Is asking to talk right asking too much? It's silly, and inaccurate, to think that that characteristic is specific to "blacks". I know a lot of lower-class "whites" whose say "ain't", "youse", etc., and whose pronunciation dialects are - to my ears - absolutely atrocious. Most well-educated black people I know (and I know a lot) tend to use standard pronunciations. As for the micro-dialect "axe" or "wiff", that's probably in the same general category as the Yale and Harvard-educated 43rd President of the United States who, like many of his fellow Texans, regularly pronounces "nuclear" as "nook-you-lar". If I say any more, Mike N. will offer me my card. Quote Is asking to talk right asking too much? In my opinion, no. But, then, having been raised in the middle-class suburbs of the Northeast US, my native dialect happens to be "standard broadcaster's North American English". Many people have different native dialects. Plus, I freely admit to being a pedant about language, both written and spoken. My wife, who grew up in a blue-collar household and town, regularly reminds me to STFU and be humble. She's generally smarter than I am. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muff528 3 #4 November 20, 2011 Moot question. ...Hillary already summited that peak. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #5 November 20, 2011 Quote Does it bug anyone else when a black politian, judge, or anyone else on TV uses words like AXE instead of ASK or Wiff for WITH and Birffday? really? Or leaving out small words such as was, were, is, be, been, etc. People from other countries can talk right, why can't blacks in USA talk right? There are accents everywhere, including within foreign countries. I don't mind that some people sound "wrong" to my ears, but don't expect me to hire you for anything important, including elected office. Quote Is asking to talk right asking too much? :::ahem::: You mean asking them to speak correctly? Or do you want them to sound conservative? I don't know many who always use proper English without sounding like a pretentious twat. Deal with it. If sounding trashy is their worst quality, are they really that bad?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #6 November 20, 2011 Quote Is asking to talk right asking too much? Depends Dem or Republican Remember the stir from Bush's pronunciation of nuclear? Compared to Obama's pronunciation of corpsman? How about if you and your *predecessor* learn to type properly? Oh my ..... dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #7 November 21, 2011 Quote Is asking to talk right asking too much? Depends Dem or Republican Remember the stir from Bush's pronunciation of nuclear? Compared to Obama's pronunciation of corpsman? We should consider spelling and grammar in addition to pronunciation.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgoose71 0 #8 November 21, 2011 Quote Quote Is asking to talk right asking too much? Depends Dem or Republican Remember the stir from Bush's pronunciation of nuclear? Compared to Obama's pronunciation of corpsman? We should consider spelling and grammar in addition to pronunciation. Yep, and remember, it's spelled "Potatoe" "There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dks13827 3 #9 November 21, 2011 I read lots of old west history which has letters written by Wyatt Earp, Virgil, and even Ike Clanton, among others. These guys with 6th grade educations surpass a surprising percentage of today's kids in penmanship, grammar, and spelling. It is astonishing. My granddads were equally skilled, with 8th grade educations. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,446 #10 November 21, 2011 One thing to remember is that the breadth of what they were expected to know was considerably smaller than what it is now. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #11 November 21, 2011 Quote Quote Is asking to talk right asking too much? Depends Dem or Republican Remember the stir from Bush's pronunciation of nuclear? Compared to Obama's pronunciation of corpsman? We should consider spelling and grammar in addition to pronunciation. Can't defend the double standard huh......."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #12 November 21, 2011 Anyhow, I just can't resist: Here's you card. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #13 November 21, 2011 QuoteOne thing to remember is that the breadth of what they were expected to know was considerably smaller than what it is now. Wendy P. quite right, and tests in school were quite different. Oral and written exams were the standard, not multiple choice. Much greater emphasis on language I would think.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #14 November 21, 2011 Quote Anyhow, I just can't resist: Here's you card. I just can't resist... you card? Why is it so common for people to say you instead of your? Ebonics is painful to hear, but so is the use of then when than is correct. It is also painful/hilarious to hear the word "idear" instead of idea. I have heard it many times from supposedly well educated Brit journalists on the BBC.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #15 November 21, 2011 Quote It is also painful/hilarious to hear the word "idear" instead of idea. I have heard it many times from supposedly well educated Brit journalists on the BBC. The language spoken in England by the English is called "English" for a good reason. Maybe the problem is your education, not the BBC journalists' education.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #16 November 21, 2011 QuoteQuote It is also painful/hilarious to hear the word "idear" instead of idea. I have heard it many times from supposedly well educated Brit journalists on the BBC. The language spoken in England by the English is called "English" for a good reason. Maybe the problem is your education, not the BBC journalists' education. Maybe the problem is the elitist attitude of professors. Are you saying that Idear is an officially approved alternative spelling for idea? I do not find it in Webster's Unabridged Dictionary. There are lots of examples of it being used in literature, but that does not establish it as correct any more than what you'd find reading something from Mark Twain.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,446 #17 November 21, 2011 Febuary Liberry Idear Warsh Wuhter (water) Cah (car) La Meesa Truksillo St (Truxillo) Lots of regionalisms (or whatever) that really don't match the spelling of the word. When I think about all of the pronunciations that don't bother me, the ones that do recede in importance. Bad grammar (as opposed to pronunciation) does bother me, especially when it's consistent, and in a native English-speaker. As does overall stupidity Wendy P. There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #18 November 21, 2011 Don't forget Worchestershire (wooster). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muff528 3 #19 November 21, 2011 Whuffo Dan Rather always insisted on saying Neeka-rah-whuaa but he never said Italia, Deutschland, Roma, Moskva, Polska, etc., etc, ... ?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muff528 3 #20 November 21, 2011 QuoteDon't forget Worchestershire (wooster). So in the Queen's English Robin Hood and William Tell were skilled aors? And members of a "radical right-wing" American society are called "John Biors"? How about the "London Symphony Oostra" ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
verbil 0 #21 November 21, 2011 Quote Does it bug anyone else when a black politian, judge, or anyone else on TV uses words like AXE instead of ASK or Wiff for WITH and Birffday? really? Or leaving out small words such as was, were, is, be, been, etc. People from other countries can talk right, why can't blacks in USA talk right?Is asking to talk right properly asking too much? Why don't you ask Clarence Thomas, A Supreme Court Justice who grew up speaking Gullah, but was able to learn to communicate properly. I'd wager he would say "No." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muff528 3 #22 November 21, 2011 Quote Quote Does it bug anyone else when a black politian, judge, or anyone else on TV uses words like AXE instead of ASK or Wiff for WITH and Birffday? really? Or leaving out small words such as was, were, is, be, been, etc. People from other countries can talk right, why can't blacks in USA talk right?Is asking to talk right properly asking too much? Why don't you ask Clarence Thomas, A Supreme Court Justice who grew up speaking Gullah, but was able to learn to communicate properly. I'd wager he would say "No." Then again he might say "Eat more Cooter". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
