Elite_Marksman 0 #51 November 21, 2011 Never denied that they were sprayed, or that they were sprayed in the face. I denied that it was forced down their throats and that they were held down and sprayed. From what I can see in the video, the officers are not pinning the people who are being sprayed down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #52 November 21, 2011 QuoteAmazon, please suggest a better way of maintaining order than what we have in America. Eric Cartman says the best way to deal with stoner hippies is to play heavy metal. No, the answer is that if the cops need to arrest people, they arrest them. They don't get freebie shots at torturing the punks. What we see here is Uncle Jimbo shouting out "He's coming right for us!" at the non moving animal. This lesson should have been clear from the first Oakland raid. The cops/Oakland mayor looked like assholes with no notion of rights, and it paralyzed the authorities for a week as the world watched in disgust. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #53 November 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteAmazon, please suggest a better way of maintaining order than what we have in America. Eric Cartman says the best way to deal with stoner hippies is to play heavy metal. No, the answer is that if the cops need to arrest people, they arrest them. They don't get freebie shots at torturing the punks. What we see here is Uncle Jimbo shouting out "He's coming right for us!" at the non moving animal. This lesson should have been clear from the first Oakland raid. The cops/Oakland mayor looked like assholes with no notion of rights, and it paralyzed the authorities for a week as the world watched in disgust. In the OWS thread I asked whether we as a nation have forgotten the lesson of Selma '65 and Chicago '68. The answer, apparently, is Yes we have. Just as by the 1960's we as a nation had forgotten the lesson of how in 1932 the Bonus Army squatters in Washington, DC were crushed with totally unnecessary brutality. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Marchers So it seems that historical memories are short, and each generation has to re-learn the essential lessons of the past, even the recent past. CanuckinUSA queries "what are the Occupy demonstrators winning?" Well, the Baby Boomers learned a lot from Selma, and Chicago, and Kent State. Those incidents changed and drove the dynamics of a national conversation and made it a universal conversation. The Occupy demonstrations, as well as some of the official reaction to it (not just the police, but all the GOP candidates deriding them for applause; shades of 1968....) have taken and driven this national conversation to a whole new level, and it won't go away any time soon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #54 November 21, 2011 YOU, sir, with your attitude, are the problem. You see no other way to handle situations other than by using violence. Quote Post# 18: -Pepper spraying passively resistant people is fairly standard. The alternative would have been to go hands-on; not physically assaulting them, but pulling them apart or pushing, etc. Fairly standard to do that to peaceful protesters...and you see no problem what that. Sad commentary on your outlook on life. Maybe a new job would be conducive to letting you return to a more normal outlook. You see a problem with "hands-on" and opposed to other means? To use your tactic of extremism, shooting them would not have been "hands-on", eh? You find it impossible to move a person without being physically abusive? -create a better system Hard to do with so many having the same mind-set as you have. We'd have to fire all your bully-butts and your union and your Thin Blue Line would be crying in the wind...possibly even publicly protesting with signs and stuff. Oh, the irony. -If you people knew the shit we have to put up with Typical. You need a new job and that's all there is to it. -there are a lot who become dicks because of ignorant citizens seeing videos like this and then trying to play armchair quarterback So, it pisses you guys off when you get caught on camera doing your "standard" bully bullshit, eh? Good! You bullies out yourselves and we learn just who the assholes really are! -So, I say, unless you want to do the job, shut the fuck up! No. That's not gonna happen. The public is going to keep hammering you and your kind until either things change or real violence on the part of the public erupts. You'd probably just love that though, wouldn't you? Quote Post# 18: They attempt to strike the best balance between individual liberties and doing what needs to be done to maintain peace to uphold those liberties. ...and fail miserably. Your definition of "needs" is inappropriately skewed towards the use of violence and bully tactics. Quote Post# 21: Please, offer a better solution. She offered one better solution. I offered another earlier. You are not listening. Quote Post# 24: I like to take all things to a personal level Can't separate the job from the self. Typical and problematic. You fail to understand that the protesters are not there hammering you personally. Great. Quote Post # 25: You still throw stones Amazon, but you fail to offer a better solution. Much like the Occupy protestors. She did but it’s out of the realm of your propensity for violence.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #55 November 21, 2011 QuotePepper spray (oleoresin capsicum) is NOT a chemical agent. It is derived from peppers. You know, the same stuff that makes your mouth burn when you eat jalepenos. It is suspended in water by propylene glycol, the same stuff in your lotion. You really should get your facts straight before stating a position which you are not prepared to defend properly. Unbelievable. Your need for justification has exceeded all known bounds or intelligent thought. QuoteIt is this ignorance of facts that has college "kids" defending a position of which they have no true understanding and getting pepper sprayed in the process. "Having no understanding" is reason enough to be violently attacked. Great.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #56 November 21, 2011 Quote And, I have no idea why its so hard for the average citizen to do the same. Big piece of whats wrong with this country. Whatever happened to conducting ourselves in a polite and civilized fashion? Lurch, you are letting him lead you away from the issue at hand. The protest WAS civilized on the part of the protesters. I'll leave the definition of "polite" to you. In my book, it fits the event.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #57 November 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteAmazon, please suggest a better way of maintaining order than what we have in America. How about standing back and just laughing at the stupid fuckers, it would make more of an impression on them.. But that would actually require understanding the people you are trying to "protect" mirror find one"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #58 November 21, 2011 Quote Based on the situation and the amount of force the police used, there is absolutely nothing wrong with this incident. The police were attempting to leave the area, the students were blocking their path and refused to move. Wow. Just WOW. You are absolutely correct in your statements about eye-witness reports. You are correct in your viewpoint about media reports. Going JUST by the video, no, there was not any spaying down the throat" shown and yes, I would question that report. However, the argument at hand is about what IS shown on the video.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #59 November 21, 2011 QuotePepper spray is merely a tool, in the subset of weapons, in the sub-subset of less-than-lethal weapons, that allows people to gain compliance from other people who do not want to follow a lawful order. So...quite obviously, you think that the use of pepper spray against non-violent people is justifiable. Sad...and only perpetuates the current mind-set of the police mentality.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #60 November 21, 2011 QuoteBeing a dick deliberately to anyone, like it or not, is by definition taking responsibility for the reaction said behavior may provoke. This is basic etiquette, come on. In other words if I get all up in a cops face swearing and yelling and then get my ass beat, yes I am responsible for that outcome. My actions caused it. I would not have got my ass beat if I wasn't a dick. Wrong. What you are saying is that I have to take responsibility for how YOU react to any given situation. Nope. Not at all. If I want to be a "dick" you have any number of possible responses...YOU make the choice on which to use. Yes, some responses would be more appropriate to the situation than others. In the case, the response was, IMO, totally unwarranted especially so given all the other options available. Choosing the "I'll be a dick, too" option is taking the low road. Bullies of all sorts commonly choose that option. QuoteIts a cops job to handle people who wanna pick a fight. The question is how to handle the specific situation. You swear in my face, I could choose... 1. Kick your ass 2. Laugh in your face 3. Handle myself in a civilized manner 4. Go ballistic and shoot your ass. 5. other... Just out of curiosity, how would YOU handle somebody swearing in your face?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #61 November 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteBeing a dick deliberately to anyone, like it or not, is by definition taking responsibility for the reaction said behavior may provoke. This is basic etiquette, come on. In other words if I get all up in a cops face swearing and yelling and then get my ass beat, yes I am responsible for that outcome. My actions caused it. I would not have got my ass beat if I wasn't a dick. Wrong. What you are saying is that I have to take responsibility for how YOU react to any given situation. Nope. Not at all. If I want to be a "dick" you have any number of possible responses...YOU make the choice on which to use. Yes, some responses would be more appropriate to the situation than others. In the case, the response was, IMO, totally unwarranted especially so given all the other options available. Choosing the "I'll be a dick, too" option is taking the low road. Bullies of all sorts commonly choose that option. QuoteIts a cops job to handle people who wanna pick a fight. The question is how to handle the specific situation. You swear in my face, I could choose... 1. Kick your ass 2. Laugh in your face 3. Handle myself in a civilized manner 4. Go ballistic and shoot your ass. 5. other... Just out of curiosity, how would YOU handle somebody swearing in your face? IYO? Well, you have just as much of a right, to be wrong, as anyone......."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nigel99 467 #62 November 21, 2011 Quote Quote Pepper spray is merely a tool, in the subset of weapons, in the sub-subset of less-than-lethal weapons, that allows people to gain compliance from other people who do not want to follow a lawful order. So...quite obviously, you think that the use of pepper spray against non-violent people is justifiable. Sad...and only perpetuates the current mind-set of the police mentality. Funny how the world diverges to extremes. I believe in Europe the cops are too soft. In the US they are too harsh. Law enforcement need to have teeth, but should have extra restraint. Funny story about tear gas. About 20 years ago my older brother was holed up in a dorm room. Violent university protests were going on and the police/army were using tear gas. The problem was that he and his mate were innocently trapped in a dorm room. A policeman was kicking open doors and gassing each room. Brother and his mate got pissed off and overpowered the cop, leaving him locked in the room full of tear gas - without his mask.Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #63 November 21, 2011 Quote In the OWS thread I asked whether we as a nation have forgotten the lesson of Selma '65 and Chicago '68. The answer, apparently, is Yes we have. Just as by the 1960's we as a nation had forgotten the lesson of how in 1932 the Bonus Army squatters in Washington, DC were crushed with totally unnecessary brutality. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Marchers So it seems that historical memories are short, and each generation has to re-learn the essential lessons of the past, even the recent past. Some of us remember. Obviously, some here have no clue.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nigel99 467 #64 November 21, 2011 Quote Quote In the OWS thread I asked whether we as a nation have forgotten the lesson of Selma '65 and Chicago '68. The answer, apparently, is Yes we have. Just as by the 1960's we as a nation had forgotten the lesson of how in 1932 the Bonus Army squatters in Washington, DC were crushed with totally unnecessary brutality. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Marchers So it seems that historical memories are short, and each generation has to re-learn the essential lessons of the past, even the recent past. Some of us remember. Obviously, some here have no clue. Andy most people aren't as old as you and Methuselah.Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #65 November 21, 2011 Quotethey do that shit in the UK everyday. only they hit you with a stick. wake up dick. where the fuck do you really live? The British Police pepper spray people sitting on the ground who are demonstrating without being violent, do they now? Well in that case you won't have any problem in citing some evidence to back up your outlandish claim. It will be interesting to see just how many cases of UK Police getting away with such behaviour. As you're new around here I'll ignore the facile insult and simply point out that as you currently have no credibility playground insults will lose you further credibility.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #66 November 21, 2011 I'm not a big fan of the protestors but the behaviour in the video is simply assault.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #67 November 21, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Amazon, please suggest a better way of maintaining order than what we have in America. How about standing back and just laughing at the stupid fuckers, it would make more of an impression on them.. But that would actually require understanding the people you are trying to "protect" mirror find one Just like my response to him..... now to you BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA This is me.. LAUGHING at youBWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites aphid 0 #68 November 21, 2011 (NB: "reply" not directed to anybody in particular) I think there may be something worth considering by both sides of this conversation in the following op/ed piece written by the former Chief of Police - Seattle. Surely the LEO's that have weighed in in this thread will appreciate his credentials. http://www.thenation.com/article/164501/paramilitary-policing-seattle-occupy-wall-street Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #69 November 21, 2011 Quote(NB: "reply" not directed to anybody in particular) I think there may be something worth considering by both sides of this conversation in the following op/ed piece written by the former Chief of Police - Seattle. Surely the LEO's that have weighed in in this thread will appreciate his credentials. http://www.thenation.com/article/164501/paramilitary-policing-seattle-occupy-wall-street I referenced that in one of my posts... but there was a huge WHOOOOOSH as it went right over the heads of the usual suspects around here.............................................................. yet again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,026 #70 November 21, 2011 Quote(NB: "reply" not directed to anybody in particular) I think there may be something worth considering by both sides of this conversation in the following op/ed piece written by the former Chief of Police - Seattle. Surely the LEO's that have weighed in in this thread will appreciate his credentials. http://www.thenation.com/article/164501/paramilitary-policing-seattle-occupy-wall-street It's funny that they have to clear streets and intersections "in case a woman in the high rise on the corner goes into cardiac arrest", etc., but it's OK to close streets and intersections for motorcades, street fairs, parades and a host of other things that the powers that be approve of.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kennedy 0 #71 November 21, 2011 QuoteQuotePepper spray is merely a tool, in the subset of weapons, in the sub-subset of less-than-lethal weapons, that allows people to gain compliance from other people who do not want to follow a lawful order. So...quite obviously, you think that the use of pepper spray against non-violent people is justifiable. Sad...and only perpetuates the current mind-set of the police mentality. Yes, I know pepper spray can be used against subjecst who are resisting arrest or refusing a lawful order. I know that it's safer for the subject and the officer. I know that department policies say it's justified, I know state courts say it's justified, and I know federal courts including the supreme court say it's justified, and I know the clsoest thing to "best practices" for law enforcement says it's justified. What are you relying on to say it's NOT justified?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #72 November 22, 2011 Quote Andy most people aren't as old as you and Methuselah. That's why I invented history books. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #73 November 22, 2011 Quote Quote Andy most people aren't as old as you and Methuselah. That's why I invented history books. Now if you could just get stupid fuckers to actually read the damn things!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #74 November 22, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Andy most people aren't as old as you and Methuselah. That's why I invented history books. Now if you could just get stupid fuckers to actually read the damn things!!!! Neither God, Airtwardo, nor Chuck Norris could do that.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Marinus 0 #75 November 22, 2011 Quote Neither God, Airtwardo, nor Chuck Norris could do that. 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popsjumper 2 #55 November 21, 2011 QuotePepper spray (oleoresin capsicum) is NOT a chemical agent. It is derived from peppers. You know, the same stuff that makes your mouth burn when you eat jalepenos. It is suspended in water by propylene glycol, the same stuff in your lotion. You really should get your facts straight before stating a position which you are not prepared to defend properly. Unbelievable. Your need for justification has exceeded all known bounds or intelligent thought. QuoteIt is this ignorance of facts that has college "kids" defending a position of which they have no true understanding and getting pepper sprayed in the process. "Having no understanding" is reason enough to be violently attacked. Great.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #56 November 21, 2011 Quote And, I have no idea why its so hard for the average citizen to do the same. Big piece of whats wrong with this country. Whatever happened to conducting ourselves in a polite and civilized fashion? Lurch, you are letting him lead you away from the issue at hand. The protest WAS civilized on the part of the protesters. I'll leave the definition of "polite" to you. In my book, it fits the event.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #57 November 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteAmazon, please suggest a better way of maintaining order than what we have in America. How about standing back and just laughing at the stupid fuckers, it would make more of an impression on them.. But that would actually require understanding the people you are trying to "protect" mirror find one"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #58 November 21, 2011 Quote Based on the situation and the amount of force the police used, there is absolutely nothing wrong with this incident. The police were attempting to leave the area, the students were blocking their path and refused to move. Wow. Just WOW. You are absolutely correct in your statements about eye-witness reports. You are correct in your viewpoint about media reports. Going JUST by the video, no, there was not any spaying down the throat" shown and yes, I would question that report. However, the argument at hand is about what IS shown on the video.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #59 November 21, 2011 QuotePepper spray is merely a tool, in the subset of weapons, in the sub-subset of less-than-lethal weapons, that allows people to gain compliance from other people who do not want to follow a lawful order. So...quite obviously, you think that the use of pepper spray against non-violent people is justifiable. Sad...and only perpetuates the current mind-set of the police mentality.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #60 November 21, 2011 QuoteBeing a dick deliberately to anyone, like it or not, is by definition taking responsibility for the reaction said behavior may provoke. This is basic etiquette, come on. In other words if I get all up in a cops face swearing and yelling and then get my ass beat, yes I am responsible for that outcome. My actions caused it. I would not have got my ass beat if I wasn't a dick. Wrong. What you are saying is that I have to take responsibility for how YOU react to any given situation. Nope. Not at all. If I want to be a "dick" you have any number of possible responses...YOU make the choice on which to use. Yes, some responses would be more appropriate to the situation than others. In the case, the response was, IMO, totally unwarranted especially so given all the other options available. Choosing the "I'll be a dick, too" option is taking the low road. Bullies of all sorts commonly choose that option. QuoteIts a cops job to handle people who wanna pick a fight. The question is how to handle the specific situation. You swear in my face, I could choose... 1. Kick your ass 2. Laugh in your face 3. Handle myself in a civilized manner 4. Go ballistic and shoot your ass. 5. other... Just out of curiosity, how would YOU handle somebody swearing in your face?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #61 November 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteBeing a dick deliberately to anyone, like it or not, is by definition taking responsibility for the reaction said behavior may provoke. This is basic etiquette, come on. In other words if I get all up in a cops face swearing and yelling and then get my ass beat, yes I am responsible for that outcome. My actions caused it. I would not have got my ass beat if I wasn't a dick. Wrong. What you are saying is that I have to take responsibility for how YOU react to any given situation. Nope. Not at all. If I want to be a "dick" you have any number of possible responses...YOU make the choice on which to use. Yes, some responses would be more appropriate to the situation than others. In the case, the response was, IMO, totally unwarranted especially so given all the other options available. Choosing the "I'll be a dick, too" option is taking the low road. Bullies of all sorts commonly choose that option. QuoteIts a cops job to handle people who wanna pick a fight. The question is how to handle the specific situation. You swear in my face, I could choose... 1. Kick your ass 2. Laugh in your face 3. Handle myself in a civilized manner 4. Go ballistic and shoot your ass. 5. other... Just out of curiosity, how would YOU handle somebody swearing in your face? IYO? Well, you have just as much of a right, to be wrong, as anyone......."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 467 #62 November 21, 2011 Quote Quote Pepper spray is merely a tool, in the subset of weapons, in the sub-subset of less-than-lethal weapons, that allows people to gain compliance from other people who do not want to follow a lawful order. So...quite obviously, you think that the use of pepper spray against non-violent people is justifiable. Sad...and only perpetuates the current mind-set of the police mentality. Funny how the world diverges to extremes. I believe in Europe the cops are too soft. In the US they are too harsh. Law enforcement need to have teeth, but should have extra restraint. Funny story about tear gas. About 20 years ago my older brother was holed up in a dorm room. Violent university protests were going on and the police/army were using tear gas. The problem was that he and his mate were innocently trapped in a dorm room. A policeman was kicking open doors and gassing each room. Brother and his mate got pissed off and overpowered the cop, leaving him locked in the room full of tear gas - without his mask.Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #63 November 21, 2011 Quote In the OWS thread I asked whether we as a nation have forgotten the lesson of Selma '65 and Chicago '68. The answer, apparently, is Yes we have. Just as by the 1960's we as a nation had forgotten the lesson of how in 1932 the Bonus Army squatters in Washington, DC were crushed with totally unnecessary brutality. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Marchers So it seems that historical memories are short, and each generation has to re-learn the essential lessons of the past, even the recent past. Some of us remember. Obviously, some here have no clue.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 467 #64 November 21, 2011 Quote Quote In the OWS thread I asked whether we as a nation have forgotten the lesson of Selma '65 and Chicago '68. The answer, apparently, is Yes we have. Just as by the 1960's we as a nation had forgotten the lesson of how in 1932 the Bonus Army squatters in Washington, DC were crushed with totally unnecessary brutality. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Marchers So it seems that historical memories are short, and each generation has to re-learn the essential lessons of the past, even the recent past. Some of us remember. Obviously, some here have no clue. Andy most people aren't as old as you and Methuselah.Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #65 November 21, 2011 Quotethey do that shit in the UK everyday. only they hit you with a stick. wake up dick. where the fuck do you really live? The British Police pepper spray people sitting on the ground who are demonstrating without being violent, do they now? Well in that case you won't have any problem in citing some evidence to back up your outlandish claim. It will be interesting to see just how many cases of UK Police getting away with such behaviour. As you're new around here I'll ignore the facile insult and simply point out that as you currently have no credibility playground insults will lose you further credibility.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #66 November 21, 2011 I'm not a big fan of the protestors but the behaviour in the video is simply assault.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #67 November 21, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Amazon, please suggest a better way of maintaining order than what we have in America. How about standing back and just laughing at the stupid fuckers, it would make more of an impression on them.. But that would actually require understanding the people you are trying to "protect" mirror find one Just like my response to him..... now to you BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA This is me.. LAUGHING at youBWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aphid 0 #68 November 21, 2011 (NB: "reply" not directed to anybody in particular) I think there may be something worth considering by both sides of this conversation in the following op/ed piece written by the former Chief of Police - Seattle. Surely the LEO's that have weighed in in this thread will appreciate his credentials. http://www.thenation.com/article/164501/paramilitary-policing-seattle-occupy-wall-street Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #69 November 21, 2011 Quote(NB: "reply" not directed to anybody in particular) I think there may be something worth considering by both sides of this conversation in the following op/ed piece written by the former Chief of Police - Seattle. Surely the LEO's that have weighed in in this thread will appreciate his credentials. http://www.thenation.com/article/164501/paramilitary-policing-seattle-occupy-wall-street I referenced that in one of my posts... but there was a huge WHOOOOOSH as it went right over the heads of the usual suspects around here.............................................................. yet again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #70 November 21, 2011 Quote(NB: "reply" not directed to anybody in particular) I think there may be something worth considering by both sides of this conversation in the following op/ed piece written by the former Chief of Police - Seattle. Surely the LEO's that have weighed in in this thread will appreciate his credentials. http://www.thenation.com/article/164501/paramilitary-policing-seattle-occupy-wall-street It's funny that they have to clear streets and intersections "in case a woman in the high rise on the corner goes into cardiac arrest", etc., but it's OK to close streets and intersections for motorcades, street fairs, parades and a host of other things that the powers that be approve of.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #71 November 21, 2011 QuoteQuotePepper spray is merely a tool, in the subset of weapons, in the sub-subset of less-than-lethal weapons, that allows people to gain compliance from other people who do not want to follow a lawful order. So...quite obviously, you think that the use of pepper spray against non-violent people is justifiable. Sad...and only perpetuates the current mind-set of the police mentality. Yes, I know pepper spray can be used against subjecst who are resisting arrest or refusing a lawful order. I know that it's safer for the subject and the officer. I know that department policies say it's justified, I know state courts say it's justified, and I know federal courts including the supreme court say it's justified, and I know the clsoest thing to "best practices" for law enforcement says it's justified. What are you relying on to say it's NOT justified?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #72 November 22, 2011 Quote Andy most people aren't as old as you and Methuselah. That's why I invented history books. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #73 November 22, 2011 Quote Quote Andy most people aren't as old as you and Methuselah. That's why I invented history books. Now if you could just get stupid fuckers to actually read the damn things!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #74 November 22, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Andy most people aren't as old as you and Methuselah. That's why I invented history books. Now if you could just get stupid fuckers to actually read the damn things!!!! Neither God, Airtwardo, nor Chuck Norris could do that.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #75 November 22, 2011 Quote Neither God, Airtwardo, nor Chuck Norris could do that. But the MSP can: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX8szNPgrEs Yes I know, it couldn't get it any cornier than that.Good song though Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
