Pregnant Woman Miscarries After Being Sprayed With Pepper Spray..

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Fox has declined to provide medical records supporting her claim that she had a miscarriage five days after being hit, and her family has cast doubt on the claim.

A story that won't go viral...

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Fox has declined to provide medical records supporting her claim that she had a miscarriage five days after being hit, and her family has cast doubt on the claim.

A story that won't go viral...

And ruin the 'narrative'? Heaven forbid...

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Paranoid much there Marc?????

It will take quite a while... since you have made 675+ posts to ME

It's ok, we'll wait. Let's see those posts from him where he wishes someone in your family would get cancer.

It is his actions and his posts and his unerring support of those who wish to pump any shit they wish into the atmosphere and into the water.... you know.. the stuff that provides those environmental factors that give THOUSANDS of people cancer in this country cancer.

It goes to the same attitude that since you like living in a cesspool... you want everyone else to live in one. Now.. is that a big enough ladder to climb the fuck down off that great big horse you ride around all the time???


What I was referring to was his posts to me similar to yours that has lost me all respect for you or him... long long ago.. and its all based on your fringe right positions.. AGAINST anything that does not meld with your views.. and anyone elses postions is not worth considering.

I have returned an opposing view to you and your ilk who wish to paint ANYONE who does not goose step to that wonderfully martial... and well worn music... that this couuntry once fought against.

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A Seattle teenager's claim that abuse by Seattle police caused her to miscarry has become a viral Internet sensation of the Occupy Wall Street movement, but no evidence has emerged to support her allegation.

Yup. There have also been police reports saying she stated being 3 months pregnant in a recent arrest. I call bullshit.

Jennifer M. Fox, 19, has accused police of kicking her and hitting her in the stomach with a bicycle during a Nov. 15 Occupy Seattle protest, even after she yelled: "I'm pregnant," then dousing her with pepper spray. A viral video shows her reeling from the pepper spray, but not being struck.

Fox has declined to provide medical records supporting her claim that she had a miscarriage five days after being hit, and her family has cast doubt on the claim.

Do you know how many young homeless women there are on the streets.. that ran away from homes with abusive "families" who were more of a threat to them... than all the dangers of the streets?

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Paranoid much there Marc?????

It will take quite a while... since you have made 675+ posts to ME

It's ok, we'll wait. Let's see those posts from him where he wishes someone in your family would get cancer.

It is his actions and his posts and his unerring support of those who wish to pump any shit they wish into the atmosphere and into the water.... you know.. the stuff that provides those environmental factors that give THOUSANDS of people cancer in this country cancer.

It goes to the same attitude that since you like living in a cesspool... you want everyone else to live in one. Now.. is that a big enough ladder to climb the fuck down off that great big horse you ride around all the time???

So in other words, your claim that you were responding in kind was a lie.

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What I was referring to was his posts to me similar to yours that has lost me all respect for you or him... long long ago.. and its all based on your fringe right positions.. AGAINST anything that does not meld with your views.. and anyone elses postions is not worth considering.

I have returned an opposing view to you and your ilk who wish to paint ANYONE who does not goose step to that wonderfully martial... and well worn music... that this couuntry once fought against.

Your posting history show the lie in *that* statement, as well.

Nice try, though.

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I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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>I can ABSOLUTELY see getting a shot in the stomach as a risk. Getting knocked over.
>That kind of thing.

Are you saying both of those things are expected parts of political protests in the US?

If I am hearing all these wonderful conservatives here... I guess they are expecting women to be proper and conservative and "lay in" for the duration of their pregnancies...

What fucking century is it that they want to live in again?????

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Paranoid much there Marc?????

It will take quite a while... since you have made 675+ posts to ME

It's ok, we'll wait. Let's see those posts from him where he wishes someone in your family would get cancer.

It is his actions and his posts and his unerring support of those who wish to pump any shit they wish into the atmosphere and into the water.... you know.. the stuff that provides those environmental factors that give THOUSANDS of people cancer in this country cancer.

It goes to the same attitude that since you like living in a cesspool... you want everyone else to live in one. Now.. is that a big enough ladder to climb the fuck down off that great big horse you ride around all the time???

So in other words, your claim that you were responding in kind was a lie.

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What I was referring to was his posts to me similar to yours that has lost me all respect for you or him... long long ago.. and its all based on your fringe right positions.. AGAINST anything that does not meld with your views.. and anyone elses postions is not worth considering.

I have returned an opposing view to you and your ilk who wish to paint ANYONE who does not goose step to that wonderfully martial... and well worn music... that this couuntry once fought against.

Your posting history show the lie in *that* statement, as well.

Nice try, though.

I guess if one's brain is the size of a pea... one COULD come to that conclusion

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It is his actions and his posts and his unerring support of those who wish to pump any shit they wish into the atmosphere and into the water.

The statement has as much accuracy as someone saying, "Your unerring support for the dismantling of the technologies that have doubled American life expectancy since 1850 meaning you want people dead"


People are getting a lot more cancer nowadays because they are living long enough to develop it. The leading cause of death in 1900? Pneumonia – followed by TB and enteritis/diarrhea. 40% of the death were children under 5 years old. Yeah, too bad those kids didn’t live to get cancer.

The emphasis on public health was made possible by things like plumbing – which is driven by the cancer-causing energy you so abhor. I hope you don’t burn any logs for heat this winter when you should be tapping into geothermal.

I also like the radioactive part. Hint – stay away from Colorado to avoid cancer. You live in the mountains, Jeanne – the worst place to live! For example, Denver gives a person twice the cosmic radiation exposure as Miami. And Colorado’s Rocky Mountains are rich in uranium – so much so that there is a constant background terrestrial dose. And let’s not forget the evils of radon – 200 mrem/year on average. For nonsmokers, the total average background radiation exposure is about 36mrems/year. Of this, natural sources (radon – 200, Cosmic – 26, terrestrial background (non-radon) – 29, body metabolism (i.e, K-40) – 40. So 290 mrems/year is the norm. Manmade radiation from consumer products – 11 mrems/year – and other sources (air travel, nuclear fallout and power plants) is 2 mrems/year. So 4% of the total radiation is what you decry. (When you add diagnostic medical procedures, those average 53 mrems/year per person).

And ironically, Colorado people are considered some of the healthiest DESPITE this increased radiation exposure.

Fear cancer, Jeanne. You’ve already lived long enough thanks to capitalistic efforts to kill you. Think of the pure evil involved in extending people’s lives so that you can kill them with cancer. Where’s the fun in a 4 year old dying of dysentery? Make him live to 75 and knock him out with leukemia! HAHAHAHAHA!!!!

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Do you know how many young homeless women there are on the streets.. that ran away from homes with abusive "families" who were more of a threat to them... than all the dangers of the streets?

Yep.

But this one has health care. We know this - her doctors have told her about it.

Jeanne - I think she's mentally ill. Should the cops just have arrested her and had her committed?

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>I'm saying that these are risks whenever being part of a crowd.

So getting kicked in the abdomen (and/or getting sprayed with pepper spray) is an expected part of being in a crowd? Would you call a pregnant woman who was in a crowd irresponsible?

>Ever been at a street festival and NOT been bumped?

I've been to dozens. I have never been kicked in the abdomen or pepper sprayed. Have you? (And no, "getting bumped" is not what we are talking about. "Getting bumped" does not cause miscarriages; a kick to the abdomen just might.)

I knew there were right wingers who hoped for OWC deaths on this forum. But honestly I did not expect someone who is normally as level headed as you to defend an action like this.

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I knew there were right wingers who hoped for OWC deaths on this forum. But honestly I did not expect someone who is normally as level headed as you to defend an action like this.

Do you have some additional knowledge about what actually happened at this event? I have to fess up I do not have the time today to seek out further news sources that may clarify what happened. If proper evidence is brought forward that the police attacked this woman unprovoked, then yes I will jump on the bandwagon to have the guilty police officer(s) prosecuted. But until actual evidence is made public it is impossible to make a fair judgment. As of last night the few news sources that covered this event were short on details and many were highly partisan.

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>I'm saying that these are risks whenever being part of a crowd.

So getting kicked in the abdomen (and/or getting sprayed with pepper spray) is an expected part of being in a crowd? Would you call a pregnant woman who was in a crowd irresponsible?

No. As you know, it depends on the crowd. I call this crowd somewhere between a cafe patio and a mosh pit. When the police are there in riot gear, however, I would tend to think that a person with concern about an unborn child would think, "Perhaps I should just walk the other way."

I'm not saying it's right if she got kicked in the stomach. Who knows whether a cop kicked her? Or was it someone else?

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have never been kicked in the abdomen or pepper sprayed. Have you? (And no, "getting bumped" is not what we are talking about. "Getting bumped" does not cause miscarriages;

Then why are pregnant women not supposed to go on roller coasters?

But - it also usually takes a pretty serious blow for that trauma to cause a miscarriage.


Let’s look at the most common causes for miscarriage, Bill. We know that about 15% of all KNOWN pregnancies result in miscarriage. And it’s estimated that in excess of 40% of all pregnancies result in miscarriage. And roughly 60% of miscarriages are from chromosomal abnormalities.

There are a lot of infections that can cause it – CMV, Chlamydia, toxoplasmosis. Yes, we have pepper spray and an alleged kicking of the stomach. But no medical records or other cause.

I deal with allegations every day. Perhaps it is in my nature now to say, “What proof have you got?” if I hear the sound of hooves outside, I will logically assume that the hooves are horses. This is not to say that it is impossible for them to be zebras. It’s simply a matter of likelihood. I’ve got a client who has been trying to blame a knee injury for her having a Caesarian section because McRoberts might be difficult. Sorry, I can’t make that argument in good faith, either.

Until I see some explanation, it will be unexplained and I am not likely to attribute blame.

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I knew there were right wingers who hoped for OWC deaths on this forum. But honestly I did not expect someone who is normally as level headed as you to defend an action like this

What makes you conclude I wanted anybody dead? I don’t. I don’t like riots. I don’t like cops. I don’t say that I condone the police OR her. I think the whole exercise is a giant shit sandwich.

I’m a father of three and a father-to-be. This kind of thing is devastating to any parent. I don’t want miscarriages. I don’t want fetal deaths. And I guess I find myself getting emotionally wrapped up in things wanting to say, “What the hell is a pregnant mother doing putting herself in that environment?” No, she wasn’t expecting to be maced. She probably wasn’t expecting to be kicked/punched/hit, etc. What was she expecting? I don’t know.

But I AM a bit concerned that you are attributing some kind of blood lust on me. I have concerns over whether she was pregnant. Of whether she still is pregnant. There was a gal out claiming Justin Bieber knocked her up and it made some big news. Whether to believe it or not is a matter of subjective choice because there is an absence of anything at this point of anything other than an unsubstantiated allegation.

I want to see more.

Note: I do detect a decrease in level-headedness in the wintertime from me. Maybe it's holiday stress, some seasonal thing. I dunno. I DO know I seem a bit more quick to irritate.

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I knew there were right wingers who hoped for OWC deaths on this forum. But honestly I did not expect someone who is normally as level headed as you to defend an action like this.

Do you have some additional knowledge about what actually happened at this event? I have to fess up I do not have the time today to seek out further news sources that may clarify what happened. If proper evidence is brought forward that the police attacked this woman unprovoked, then yes I will jump on the bandwagon to have the guilty police officer(s) prosecuted. But until actual evidence is made public it is impossible to make a fair judgment. As of last night the few news sources that covered this event were short on details and many were highly partisan.

Face it Steve YOUR evidence is that she is one of those you consider to be "throw away people"... since you wanted from your first post to show she was not anyone who mattered anyway

I get the feeling there are NO people in the Occupy crowd who YOU feel are "people that matter"

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I knew there were right wingers who hoped for OWC deaths on this forum. But honestly I did not expect someone who is normally as level headed as you to defend an action like this.

Do you have some additional knowledge about what actually happened at this event? I have to fess up I do not have the time today to seek out further news sources that may clarify what happened. If proper evidence is brought forward that the police attacked this woman unprovoked, then yes I will jump on the bandwagon to have the guilty police officer(s) prosecuted. But until actual evidence is made public it is impossible to make a fair judgment. As of last night the few news sources that covered this event were short on details and many were highly partisan.

Face it Steve YOUR evidence is that she is one of those you consider to be "throw away people"... since you wanted from your first post to show she was not anyone who mattered anyway

I get the feeling there are NO people in the Occupy crowd who YOU feel are "people that matter"

Wow...you are incapable of objectivity...

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I knew there were right wingers who hoped for OWC deaths on this forum. But honestly I did not expect someone who is normally as level headed as you to defend an action like this.

Do you have some additional knowledge about what actually happened at this event? I have to fess up I do not have the time today to seek out further news sources that may clarify what happened. If proper evidence is brought forward that the police attacked this woman unprovoked, then yes I will jump on the bandwagon to have the guilty police officer(s) prosecuted. But until actual evidence is made public it is impossible to make a fair judgment. As of last night the few news sources that covered this event were short on details and many were highly partisan.

Face it Steve YOUR evidence is that she is one of those you consider to be "throw away people"... since you wanted from your first post to show she was not anyone who mattered anyway

I get the feeling there are NO people in the Occupy crowd who YOU feel are "people that matter"

Wow...you are incapable of objectivity...

Now dats funni raht der.. I don care who U iz bubba.

Oh dats right you have not been keepign up with the vehemence Steve has for any of the Occupy crowd.... dont ya know they are all heroin addict zombies???

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I knew there were right wingers who hoped for OWC deaths on this forum. But honestly I did not expect someone who is normally as level headed as you to defend an action like this.

Do you have some additional knowledge about what actually happened at this event? I have to fess up I do not have the time today to seek out further news sources that may clarify what happened. If proper evidence is brought forward that the police attacked this woman unprovoked, then yes I will jump on the bandwagon to have the guilty police officer(s) prosecuted. But until actual evidence is made public it is impossible to make a fair judgment. As of last night the few news sources that covered this event were short on details and many were highly partisan.

Face it Steve YOUR evidence is that she is one of those you consider to be "throw away people"... since you wanted from your first post to show she was not anyone who mattered anyway

I get the feeling there are NO people in the Occupy crowd who YOU feel are "people that matter"

Face it, Jeanne - she made a statement to police in September claiming was three months pregnant when her boyfriend was arrested for assaulting police.

That's some evidence right that that causes questions to be asked...

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Amazon, just about every one of your posts has been a straw man argument trying to prop people up on far ends of the political spectrum, therefore rendering just about everything you said argumentatively moot points. At the beginning of this, most people were being pretty moderate saying that if the police were at fault then they should be tried to the fullest extent of the law.

Then someone made a perfectly reasonable claim that going to an OWS protest while pregnant isn't necessarily the best decision in the world. They didn't try denying her the right to do it, and they certainly weren't implying that she should be confined to the traditional role of the '40s era housewife. But anyone who tries to defend the stance that expecting a peaceful demonstration at OWS is deluded. From day one videos have been surfacing of people being dragged, hit, sprayed, and arrested at this event.

People aren't just carrying signs and yelling trite slogans, they're pissed off and there's a metric shit ton of them in a very small location. I can't think of anyone imagining that this is anything but a recipe for potential violent outbreaks. This is far from a peaceful demonstration, so I think it's a perfectly reasonable stance to say, "I want to demonstrate, however, I am pregnant and the risk to my fetus is not worth it, therefore I shall abstain temporarily"

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Face it Steve YOUR evidence is that she is one of those you consider to be "throw away people"... since you wanted from your first post to show she was not anyone who mattered anyway

What the fuck are you talking about? More of your complete utter bullshit. Show me exactly where I said this woman was a "throw away" and "that she did not matter". You really have some severe issues.

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Amazon, just about every one of your posts has been a straw man argument trying to prop people up on far ends of the political spectrum, therefore rendering just about everything you said argumentatively moot points. At the beginning of this, most people were being pretty moderate saying that if the police were at fault then they should be tried to the fullest extent of the law.

Then someone made a perfectly reasonable claim that going to an OWS protest while pregnant isn't necessarily the best decision in the world. They didn't try denying her the right to do it, and they certainly weren't implying that she should be confined to the traditional role of the '40s era housewife. But anyone who tries to defend the stance that expecting a peaceful demonstration at OWS is deluded. From day one videos have been surfacing of people being dragged, hit, sprayed, and arrested at this event.

People aren't just carrying signs and yelling trite slogans, they're pissed off and there's a metric shit ton of them in a very small location. I can't think of anyone imagining that this is anything but a recipe for potential violent outbreaks. This is far from a peaceful demonstration, so I think it's a perfectly reasonable stance to say, "I want to demonstrate, however, I am pregnant and the risk to my fetus is not worth it, therefore I shall abstain temporarily"

-rooster

Apologist for the "establishment" goons much???

Personally I expect better of those who protect and serve.. and yes I DO hold them to a high standard.

The fact that so many "conservatives" here can apologize for the actions of their police state wet dream is quite telling about the road they have taken this country down.

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Apologist for the "establishment" goons much???

Personally I expect better of those who protect and serve.. and yes I DO hold them to a high standard.

The fact that so many "conservatives" here can apologize for the actions of their police state wet dream is quite telling about the road they have taken this country down.

So you missed the whole “most people were being pretty moderate saying that if the police were at fault then they should be tried to the fullest extent of the law” part of it…

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If you'll reread what I've posted, objectively if possible, and not assuming I'm on one side or another, you'll notice I haven't defended anything except level-headedness and clear thinking.

Straw man again.
you're running 0-...some large number. It's getting tiring

I haven't apologized for anyone or any group. I think if there's substantial evidence the police had something to do with her miscarriage, they should be punished severely.

I am of the opinion however, that going to this rally in a sensitive and vulnerable state is not necessarily a good choice, and that she possibly should have weighed the life of her fetus slightly heavier, but hey. Hindsight...tragedy all around.

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Apologist for the "establishment" goons much???

Personally I expect better of those who protect and serve.. and yes I DO hold them to a high standard.

The fact that so many "conservatives" here can apologize for the actions of their police state wet dream is quite telling about the road they have taken this country down.

So you missed the whole “most people were being pretty moderate saying that if the police were at fault then they should be tried to the fullest extent of the law” part of it…

And you and yours MISS THE FUCKING POINT. It is no longer possible to have a peaceful protest by people wishing to apply some of their constitutional rights with out being attacked by those who are supposed to be protecting and serving..

Oh I guess that is just another one of those homilies that Americans are just supposed to be paying LIP SERVICE to in this country with less and less of the rights the Founding Fathers fought for

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Do you know how many young homeless women there are on the streets.. that ran away from homes with abusive "families" who were more of a threat to them... than all the dangers of the streets?

Quite a lot actually. But why would one trying to hide out participate in a very public venue?

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Do you know how many young homeless women there are on the streets.. that ran away from homes with abusive "families" who were more of a threat to them... than all the dangers of the streets?

Quite a lot actually. But why would one trying to hide out participate in a very public venue?

Oh I don't know.... in that environment... there is safety in numbers to help one survive

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The escalation of this event from peaceful to not isn't just because a couple bad-seed officers decided to go medieval on protestors. There are countless factors, the largest ones in no particular order:

Massive numbers of disenfranchised, angry people
Lack of immediate change
Early mismanagement of the growing unrest (by the police)
Amorphous goals
Close proximity for extended periods of time

To refocus, the original point of this thread was a woman claiming to have miscarried from a mixture of pepper spray and boot/bicycle to the stomach, and the potential outcomes of that in court.

You're changing (moving the goalpost) it to be that we can no longer have peaceful protests in this country because your previous arguments are systematically being shown to be massive piles of rubbish...Your rants are systematically becoming less and less coherent.

I suggest you try what I do. Collect your thoughts, figure out what your point is, make it, then reread to make sure it is clearly stated before posting. Basically the physical manifestation of "engage brain THEN unhinge jaw"

-rooster

Find your peace, though the world around you burns