Only in the middle east...

[falxori 0]

I had to read it twice just to make sure I got it right.
Lebanese fired Katyusha rockets into Israel. Israel fired artillery shells back at the launch site and now Lebanon files a UN complain against Israel's retaliation !?!?!

Here's a thought, stop firing rockets into Israel...

http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=248206

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Lebanon files UN complaint against Israel
By JPOST.COM STAFF
12/05/2011 17:45


Officials in Beirut say IDF artillery response to Katyusha rockets was a violation of UNSC Res. 1701 and of international law.
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Lebanon filed a complaint in the United Nations against Israel Monday for its retaliation to Katyusha rockets fired into Israel late last month, Lebanese newspaper the Daily Star reported.

In response to the four rockets fired from Lebanon, the IDF pounded the launch sites with artillery shells. The Lebanese report claimed that only one rocket was fired from Lebanon into Israel and that the IDF fired six artillery shells.

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The UN complaint alleges that the IDF action was a violation of UNSC Resolution 1701, which ended the Second Lebanon War, as well as international law.

Immediately following the rocket attack the IDF filed a complaint with the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL), which launched an investigation into the attack. The UN force called for restraint from both sides

“This is a serious incident in violation of UN Council Security Resolution 1701 and is clearly directed at undermining stability in the area,” a UNIFIL statement said.

An organization associated with al-Qaida claimed responsibility for firing the rockets.

The IDF said it held the Lebanese government responsible for the attacks and that it needed to take action to prevent future rocket fire. Home Front Defense Minister Matan Vilna’i said that “the Lebanese government is responsible for everything that happens in Lebanon and everything that leaves its borders.”

"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

[kallend 2,106]

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I had to read it twice just to make sure I got it right.
Lebanese fired Katyusha rockets into Israel. Israel fired artillery shells back at the launch site and now Lebanon files a UN complain against Israel's retaliation !?!?!

Here's a thought, stop firing rockets into Israel...

I don't think logic works in that part of the world.

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[billvon 3,072]

>Lebanese fired Katyusha rockets into Israel.

And so Israel is justified in:

>Israel fired artillery shells back at the launch site

Which will justify the next Lebanese attack.

As long as there's justification, everything's good.

[falxori 0]

you're right.
Shooting back at those who are shooting at you, right after they shot at you and at the place they were shooting from doesn't make sense and is not justified.

"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

[billvon 3,072]

>Shooting back at those who are shooting at you, right after they shot at you and at
>the place they were shooting from doesn't make sense and is not justified.

Sure, it's justified. Problem is - it's also justified when they shoot back at those who are shooting at _them._

Let us know how that goes over the next few decades.

[Gravitymaster 0]

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>Shooting back at those who are shooting at you, right after they shot at you and at
>the place they were shooting from doesn't make sense and is not justified.

Sure, it's justified. Problem is - it's also justified when they shoot back at those who are shooting at _them._

Let us know how that goes over the next few decades.

Maybe Obama could get them to engage in Peace Talks at Camp David.

[Marinus 0]

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I had to read it twice just to make sure I got it right.
Lebanese fired Katyusha rockets into Israel.

You got it wrong:

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An organization associated with al-Qaida claimed responsibility for firing the rockets.

I don't think Lebanon (or the Lebanese) is "an organization associated with al-Qaida" And yes, I'm sceptical about the good intentions of Lebanon too, but you simply can't fire shells into a sovereign nation and expect them to be fine with it, not even if you're gods own people.

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I had to read it twice just to make sure I got it right.
Lebanese fired Katyusha rockets into Israel.

You got it wrong:

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An organization associated with al-Qaida claimed responsibility for firing the rockets.

I don't think Lebanon (or the Lebanese) is "an organization associated with al-Qaida" And yes, I'm sceptical about the good intentions of Lebanon too, but you simply can't fire shells into a sovereign nation and expect them to be fine with it, not even if you're gods own people.

So Lebanon simply can't fire rockets into a sovereign nation and expect them to be fine with it, even if they're Mohammed's own people.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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[Marinus 0]

you might want to learn a bit about Islam and Islam in Lebanon in general before you make these types of remarks. They've got a very large population of non-muslims. Beside that, it wasn't the nation of Lebanon that fired those rockets, it was a terrorist organization. You people should really try to read the relevant information.

[mnealtx 0]

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you might want to learn a bit about Islam and Islam in Lebanon in general before you make these types of remarks.

You may want to look at my location, sport.

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They've got a very large population of non-muslims. Beside that, it wasn't the nation of Lebanon that fired those rockets, it was a terrorist organization.

It wasn't a religion that fired back with artillery, either.

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You people should really try to read the relevant information.

And you might want to stick to the topic instead of trying to get in stealth digs at religion.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[muff528 3]

Not to worry! ...the UN has, with it's even-handed authority, swiftly and efficiently resolved the matter for all those involved. While thrusting it's self-important and increasingly irrelevant finger into the air, "The UN force called for restraint from both sides." There! ...that should do it!

I'm sure Rod Serling has got to be around here somewhere! (or maybe Alan Funt ...I dunno!)

[Marinus 0]

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You may want to look at my location, sport.

The fact you're in Kosovo really doesn't say a whole lot about your knowledge of Islam/Lebanon.

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It wasn't a religion that fired back with artillery, either.

Fair enough, still Israel fired shells onto the soil of a sovereign nation that didn't attack them first.

[masterblaster72 0]

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You people should really try to read the relevant information.

So should you.

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The IDF said it held the Lebanese government responsible for the attacks and that it needed to take action to prevent future rocket fire. Home Front Defense Minister Matan Vilna’i said that “the Lebanese government is responsible for everything that happens in Lebanon and everything that leaves its borders.”

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

[Marinus 0]

So Israel condones it's own attack on Lebanon? And it never occurred to you they might be slightly biased?

[mnealtx 0]

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You may want to look at my location, sport.

The fact you're in Kosovo really doesn't say a whole lot about your knowledge of Islam/Lebanon.

So once again you spouted off about someone else's supposed lack of research without having done any of your own? This seems to be a pattern with you.

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It wasn't a religion that fired back with artillery, either.

Fair enough, still Israel fired shells onto the soil of a sovereign nation that didn't attack them first.

You *are* aware that Katyushkas are *rockets* and not bouquets of flowers, right?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[Andy9o8 2]

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Maybe Obama could get them to engage in Peace Talks at Camp David.

FYI, the first Camp David peace talks, hosted by (gasp!) Jimmy Carter, resulted in peace between Egypt and Israel. Which, in fairly short order, led to peace between Jordan and Israel. No small feat.

That aside, this thread has nothing to do with Obama, other than Gravitymaster once again using any discussion topic to try (and fail) to take a shot at Obama.

[rushmc 23]

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Maybe Obama could get them to engage in Peace Talks at Camp David.

FYI, the first Camp David peace talks, hosted by (gasp!) Jimmy Carter, resulted in peace between Egypt and Israel. Which, in fairly short order, led to peace between Jordan and Israel. No small feat.

That aside, this thread has nothing to do with Obama, other than Gravitymaster once again using any discussion topic to try (and fail) to take a shot at Obama.

Wow, You really cleared things up here

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[Andy9o8 2]

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You may want to look at my location, sport.

The fact you're in Kosovo really doesn't say a whole lot about your knowledge of Islam/Lebanon.

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It wasn't a religion that fired back with artillery, either.

Fair enough, still Israel fired shells onto the soil of a sovereign nation that didn't attack them first.

You're twisting facts and, in doing so, insulting our intelligence. Hezbollah (which has had virtually total control in south Lebanon for over 20 years) is no more entitled to hide behind the sovereignty of Lebanon when it repeatedly fires rockets from there than Al Quaeda was entitled to hide behind the sovereignty of Afghanistan when it launched the 9/11 attacks on the US from there. Please don't talk to us like we're stupid or uneducated - it doesn't fly well in here.

[Andy9o8 2]

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And you might want to stick to the topic instead of trying to get in stealth digs at religion.

I agree with you 100%, Mike (seriously); that's exactly what it was: a stealth dig at a particular religion. Stealth digs at ethnic groups should always be called out for what they are. Glad to see we're on the same team about this.

[Marinus 0]

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I agree with you 100%, Mike (seriously); that's exactly what it was: a stealth dig at a particular religion. Stealth digs at ethnic groups should always be called out for what they are. Glad to see we're on the same team about this.

Except of course that religion isn't the same as ethnicity. You really need to warp reality to get criticism of religion on the same level as racism.

[popsjumper 2]

Waaaaaaaah! Waaaaaaaah!

Part 1:
"My boys punched out some guy and he punched ME! "

No, the Israelis punched the puncher who just happened the live in your house. Mind your own house and nobody in it will get punched.

Part 2:
When you throw a sucker punch, don't be surprised at what comes back at you.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
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[Andy9o8 2]

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I agree with you 100%, Mike (seriously); that's exactly what it was: a stealth dig at a particular religion. Stealth digs at ethnic groups should always be called out for what they are. Glad to see we're on the same team about this.

Except of course that religion isn't the same as ethnicity. You really need to warp reality to get criticism of religion on the same level as racism.

Contrary to fact, insulting to the intelligence (considering your post #7), and zero credibility. Not even worth a detailed rebuttal.

[Kennedy 0]

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I had to read it twice just to make sure I got it right.
Lebanese fired Katyusha rockets into Israel.

You got it wrong:

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An organization associated with al-Qaida claimed responsibility for firing the rockets.

I don't think Lebanon (or the Lebanese) is "an organization associated with al-Qaida" And yes, I'm sceptical about the good intentions of Lebanon too, but you simply can't fire shells into a sovereign nation and expect them to be fine with it, not even if you're gods own people.

And you simply can't allow established terrorists to fire rockets into a sovereign nation and expect them to be fine with it. What do you want Israel to do instead? Just sit there and accept incoming fire? I don't care if it was the Lebanese government, Hezbollah, or the tooth fairy. Whomever fired rockets at Israel can expect Israel to return fire. If Lebanon doesn't like it, they should keep control over their territory. As they are incapable of exercising control, the territory isn't really theirs, and they really have no reason to be upset about artillery.

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[billvon 3,072]

>When you throw a sucker punch, don't be surprised at what comes back at you.

Exactly. And again, that's true of both sides. Want to shell Lebanon? Don't be surprised when they fire a few rockets at Israel.

[Kennedy 0]

Non sequitur. Lebanon says it wasn't them firing at Israel, so Israel shouldn't fire into Lebanese territory. Lebanon doesn't address the fact that someone is firing into Israel from Lebanese territory. Address THAT problem and I don't imagine Israel would be firing artillery.

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