Coreece 190 #76 February 2, 2012 Quote>Atheist don't go door to door because their insults would get them shot... True. Religious types are a lot more violent overall. (Can't remember the last time an atheist flew a 767 into a building.) Oh back to this shit, eh...go study anti revisionism and all your infamous atheistic rulers.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #77 February 2, 2012 QuoteQuote>Atheist don't go door to door because their insults would get them shot... True. Religious types are a lot more violent overall. (Can't remember the last time an atheist flew a 767 into a building.) Oh back to this shit, eh...go study anti revisionism and all your infamous atheistic rulers. I think if you wanna play that card, you better be prepared to look at the percentage of atheist rulers who started wars compared to religious ones. Are you really sure you want to play that card and up the ante? I'm ready to go all in on that one. Are you?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #78 February 2, 2012 Quote Quote >The atheists here are the most vocally irritating bastards around. They can't hold a candle to the proselytizers. Still haven't had a single atheist come to my door to tell me about atheism - but since we've moved we've had three religious types come to "convert" us. But I bet they didn't ridicule you with fighting words... Atheist don't go door to door because their insults would get them shot... Yeah, I've heard their pitch usually begins with "Hi there, you irritating bastard..."Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #79 February 2, 2012 QuoteQuote>The atheists here are the most vocally irritating bastards around. They can't hold a candle to the proselytizers. Still haven't had a single atheist come to my door to tell me about atheism - but since we've moved we've had three religious types come to "convert" us. But I bet they didn't ridicule you with fighting words... haven't seen a door to door type (hard to get into my building), but the ones that camp out at major events (race finish, for example) are certainly laying out the fighting words. Don't think I've seen any atheists with signs on par with "fags burn in hell." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #80 February 2, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuote>Atheist don't go door to door because their insults would get them shot... True. Religious types are a lot more violent overall. (Can't remember the last time an atheist flew a 767 into a building.) Oh back to this shit, eh...go study anti revisionism and all your infamous atheistic rulers. I think if you wanna play that card, you better be prepared to look at the percentage of atheist rulers who started wars compared to religious ones. Are you really sure you want to play that card and up the ante? I'm ready to go all in on that one. Are you? very few wars have been caused by religion. All of the major wars of the last four centuries were started for purely non-religious reasons. A close examination of wars prior to that would still show mostly non-religious wars, and those wars which appeared on the surface to be about religion were actually about something else entirely. For example, many of the Crusades (excluding the first two) were an attempt to get the roving bands of knights out of Europe where they had been roaming around & tearing shit up during the Hundred Years War (which was yet another non-religious war). So almost none of the major wars of recent centuries had a religious basis, and in earlier centuries it was less than half. Check out this link http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/matt-j-rossano/why-religion-does-not-equ_b_637759.html . Yet in spite of historical evidence, many atheists continue to insist that religion has caused nearly all wars. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #81 February 2, 2012 >All of the major wars of the last four centuries were started for purely non-religious reasons. The Sudanese and Lebanese civil wars were both religious in nature - and of course the recent US-Afghanistan war was started by religious zealots. However if you're going to call them "minor wars" your statement is technically correct. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #82 February 2, 2012 OK, fair enough. The point is that the last four centuries prove that when you take away religious motivations, you still have huge bloody wars and purges and whatnot. Yet some atheists would have you believe that without religion, there would be just peace and harmony. Yep, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot were sooo peaceful.Most wars are really about seizing land and resources. You don't need religion for that. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #83 February 2, 2012 QuoteMost wars are really about seizing land and resources. You don't need religion for that. And are denying the leaders who start those wars for those reasons, use religion as a motivator and recruitment tool? I don't wanna go all Godwin here, but . . .quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #84 February 2, 2012 >Most wars are really about seizing land and resources. You don't need religion for that. In the last two centuries or so I would tend to agree. Religion (like nationalism, patriotism, "manifest destiny" etc) was used more often as an excuse to justify violence, rather than the initial impetus. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #85 February 2, 2012 QuoteQuoteMost wars are really about seizing land and resources. You don't need religion for that. And are denying the leaders who start those wars for those reasons, use religion as a motivator and recruitment tool? I don't wanna go all Godwin here, but . . . A war that was started for non-religious reasons doesn't become a religious war just because a political leader gives a speech that has some boilerplate religious slogan in it. I'm sure Hitler threw in a bullshit slogan like , "God is on our side," in a speech or two, but that doesn't transform WWII into a religious conflict. Hell, Hitler didn't even make a pretense of going to church. Most days he didn't even get up until 11 AM. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #86 February 2, 2012 QuoteQuote And are denying the leaders who start those wars for those reasons, use religion as a motivator and recruitment tool? I don't wanna go all Godwin here, but . . . A war that was started for non-religious reasons doesn't become a religious war just because a political leader gives a speech that has some boilerplate religious slogan in it. I'm sure Hitler threw in a bullshit slogan like , "God is on our side," in a speech or two, but that doesn't transform WWII into a religious conflict. But would the knights have run off to the Crusades without the God component to it? It may not have been the cause, but it was the enabler. Just as yellowcake/WMDs were the enabler for Iraq II. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #87 February 2, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteMost wars are really about seizing land and resources. You don't need religion for that. And are denying the leaders who start those wars for those reasons, use religion as a motivator and recruitment tool? I don't wanna go all Godwin here, but . . . A war that was started for non-religious reasons doesn't become a religious war just because a political leader gives a speech that has some boilerplate religious slogan in it. I'm sure Hitler threw in a bullshit slogan like , "God is on our side," in a speech or two, but that doesn't transform WWII into a religious conflict. Hell, Hitler didn't even make a pretense of going to church. Most days he didn't even get up until 11 AM. He certainly wrote Mein Kamph LONG before coming into power. It clearly explains his intent to exterminate the Jews. If that's not a religious motivation, I'm not really certain what definition you're using.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #88 February 2, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuote>Atheist don't go door to door because their insults would get them shot... True. Religious types are a lot more violent overall. (Can't remember the last time an atheist flew a 767 into a building.) Oh back to this shit, eh...go study anti revisionism and all your infamous atheistic rulers. I think if you wanna play that card, you better be prepared to look at the percentage of atheist rulers who started wars compared to religious ones. Are you really sure you want to play that card and up the ante? I'm ready to go all in on that one. Are you? Oh, kinda like the first one to invoke Godwin takes the pot? I couldn't think of a bigger waste of time...take it, it yours.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #89 February 2, 2012 Sometimes if you're going to talk about war and religion, you actually do have to mention Hitler.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #90 February 2, 2012 congrats on stealing the blinds...big pot, eh? Don't spend it all in one place...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,439 #91 February 2, 2012 QuoteHe certainly wrote Mein Kamph LONG before coming into power. It clearly explains his intent to exterminate the Jews. If that's not a religious motivation, I'm not really certain what definition you're using.However, Mein Kampf was far more a political than a religious book; his basis was what he considered to be racial and power-driven, and not religious. If you add to his final solution the desire to get rid of handicapped people, as well as gypsies, it really does look more racial than religious. I'd really call the religious motivation for WW2 kind of slim; racial & national pride (including a big "fuck you" to the winning powers in WW1) more so. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #92 February 3, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuote....advocating that the schools be responsible for providing a varied exposure to... ...all subjects, scientific, philosophical, religious civic...everything. Just don't get them mixed up. We have enough trouble getting kids to take on board stuff that's right in science classes without being forced to teach them all the stuff that's wrong as well. Are you saying to disregard the historical aspects of any subject? Teach the world is round only and ignore past history that said it was flat and how it became known to be round? Am I reading you correctly?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #93 February 3, 2012 >Teach the world is round only and ignore past history that said it was flat and how it >became known to be round? Teach them that the world is round in geography class. Teach them that people used to think it was flat in history class. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #94 February 3, 2012 Quotethe college version gets to the heart of it - money and power hiding in the veil of God. Still confusing the religion with the humans who interpret it?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #95 February 3, 2012 Quote>Well, most Athiests seem preety hellbent against God...Not leprechauns, unicorns, or >easter bunnies. Hmm. The atheists I know don't seem hell-bent against anything. You've lived a sheltered life. Quote>The atheists here are the most vocally irritating bastards around. They can't hold a candle to the proselytizers... True. Atheists are much more inanely vocal and mean-spirited. Proselytizers couldn't compete with that even if they wanted to.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #96 February 3, 2012 >You've lived a sheltered life. True. As a child my parents kept me safe from the roving gangs of violent atheists hell-bent on converting me to their evil ways. Of course, they also kept me safe from the Christians who apparently shoot atheists with some regularity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #97 February 3, 2012 Quote>You've lived a sheltered life. True. As a child my parents kept me safe from the roving gangs of violent atheists hell-bent on converting me to their evil ways. Sorry you have to exposed to it here. QuoteOf course, they also kept me safe from the Christians who apparently shoot atheists with some regularity. ???? You're kidding, right? Oh...I get it. Weapon usage is now a religious affair. Nice twist there.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #98 February 3, 2012 >You're kidding, right? From Coreece: "Atheist don't go door to door because their insults would get them shot... " Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #99 February 3, 2012 Quoteasking for proof is how science works sorry. everything is looked at over and over. True. So keep it in the realm of science where it belongs. Quotereligion just wants you to believe period. no questions. its all in this ancient book thats been translated and rewritten 1000 times. True enough. I'm sure you have known that for a while now. It's been posted here numerous times by the atheists...kind of like a mantra, you know?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #100 February 3, 2012 QuoteOf course, they also kept me safe from the Christians who apparently shoot atheists with some regularity. I have a collection of ears I made into a necklace...I whisper into them at night, taunting the poor souls who they once belonged to.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
