wmw999 2,527
While we're at it, maybe we should remove the name and gender, as well as where they come from -- heck, leave only the SAT scores and GPA.
That would make it really, really easy to select applicants, wouldn't it? Just pick the highest ones.
Ethnicity shouldn't be THE reason for accepting someone, just as nationality, whether you're a veteran, rich, poor, etc. But these are factors that help to make up the whole of a student.
Wendy P.
That would make it really, really easy to select applicants, wouldn't it? Just pick the highest ones.
Ethnicity shouldn't be THE reason for accepting someone, just as nationality, whether you're a veteran, rich, poor, etc. But these are factors that help to make up the whole of a student.
Wendy P.
There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)
rehmwa 2
QuoteWhile we're at it, maybe we should remove the name and gender, as well as where they come from -- heck, leave only the SAT scores and GPA.
I like this just fine for those admissions professionals that are unable to keep their biases out of their choices when trying to assess character based on actions alone.
Anything else, is just advocating some form of favoritism - one way or the other.
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
rehmwa 2
Quotenationality, whether you're a veteran, rich, poor, etc. But these are factors that help to make up the whole of a student.
disagree - with the exception of veteran (you choose to serve), these are not items that relate to the choices of the student. and the student's choices are what comprise his character. not color, not his parent's income, not hair color, not eye color, not gender
the best one can do with those items is to make inferences based on your own personal stereotypes - usually wrong, usually political, usually to the (unfair) disadvantage of the student
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
wmw999 2,527
What is college for? Just for the imparting of technical knowledge for a specific job? Or does it include dealing with people, knowledge, and sitautions that they might not have been exposed to in high school and family?
Personally, I think it's both, and that the knowledge you get in dealing with people and situations will last a lot longer than the specifics of technical knowledge during a 4-year period.
Wendy P.
Personally, I think it's both, and that the knowledge you get in dealing with people and situations will last a lot longer than the specifics of technical knowledge during a 4-year period.
Wendy P.
There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)
rehmwa 2
you get that with life during any 4 year period - one would argue that college dampens that experience, not enhances it
we're talking about why it's acceptable or not for admissions to include the personal bias of the admissions officials on cosmetic nonsense
personally, I think it's wrong - content of character should not be judged by looking at skin color or equally moronic criteria
I have a hard time believing that you disagree with my basic statement - that a person is defined by their choices, and not constrained to just that stuff they are born with
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
we're talking about why it's acceptable or not for admissions to include the personal bias of the admissions officials on cosmetic nonsense
personally, I think it's wrong - content of character should not be judged by looking at skin color or equally moronic criteria
I have a hard time believing that you disagree with my basic statement - that a person is defined by their choices, and not constrained to just that stuff they are born with
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
Bolas 5
GPA, SAT's, Extracurriculars, and perhaps an essay is all an admissions department needs.
Gender, socioeconomic status, race, location, even their name aren't needed to make an unbiased decision.
Perhaps if we start the common sense in academia, it can filter to the rest of society so we can truly end racism and sexism.
Gender, socioeconomic status, race, location, even their name aren't needed to make an unbiased decision.
Perhaps if we start the common sense in academia, it can filter to the rest of society so we can truly end racism and sexism.
Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.
rehmwa 2
QuotePerhaps if we start the common sense in academia,
stop it, stop it, you're killing me, I had just taken a drink of water
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
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the best one can do with those items is to make inferences based on your own personal stereotypes - usually wrong, usually political, usually to the (unfair) disadvantage of the student
Bingo. Good stuff.
My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239
QuoteWhat is college for?
Job applications.
Quote....the knowledge you get in dealing with people and situations will last a lot longer than the specifics of technical knowledge during a 4-year period.
It's not the college's job to raise emotionally well-rounded scholars. That's Mom's job.
Besides, eliminating ethic considerations for entry would not eliminate the opportunities for students to deal with people, knowledge, and situations that they might not have been exposed to in high school and family.
IMO, it would help the students learn more and better by not having to deal with the distractions of the unqualified in class.
My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239
QuoteQuotePerhaps if we start the common sense in academia,
stop it, stop it, you're killing me, I had just taken a drink of water
Made you think of The Nutty Professor, didn't it?
My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239
-Enter because you're qualified or,
-Enter because of your ethic origins.
Seems pretty simple to me.
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Simple solution would be to take the student's ethnicity off of the college application. Let the best students win, your feelings about demographics be damned, if you can't cut it you shouldn't be there.
--Dwight D. Eisenhower