If little boys could get pregnant..

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>But since it is mandated to all insurance comanines,
>the price will be in the insurance regardless of whether or not you use it

That's true. But that's true of any treatment you don't like. Those premiums pay for Viagra for old white sex offenders, and "racist" drugs like Bidil, and HIV treatment for immoral homosexuals, and acne drugs for vain teenagers. That broad support of treatment, where everyone pays for everyone else's treatment, is how health insurance works.

Ah
For the colective then
I get that postion
But it is about agendas, not health care
And in the end the States is now crossing the church and state line. This fact can not be argued

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I have alwasys stated here that even state mandates should be elinimated

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 2,991]

>And in the end the States is now crossing the church and state line. This fact can not be argued

Only if you define "separation of church and state" as "the US Government will give Christians anything they ask for."

The Catholic Church did not get everything it wanted out of this. Too bad, so sad. But that's because we live in a democracy where the Church is not in charge.

[rushmc 23]

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>And in the end the States is now crossing the church and state line. This fact can not be argued

Only if you define "separation of church and state" as "the US Government will give Christians anything they ask for."

The Catholic Church did not get everything it wanted out of this. Too bad, so sad. But that's because we live in a democracy where the Church is not in charge.

Neither is the Fed. The people are supposed to be.

But it is interesting to see that you do not care about seperation of church and state.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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So you'd be OK with a business whose insurance didn't cover blood transfusions? How about if they were the largest employer in town?

Yes I would. I’d be okay with a business that didn’t provide any insurance at all. I’m okay with a business that does not provide insurance to cover medical marijuana. I’m okay with a business that does not provide insurance to cover methadone. I’m okay with Jewish Temples that do not provide bacon when feeding the homeless. I’m okay with doctors who do not provide antibiotics for people with the flu. I’m okay with airlines that provide no-frills seating.

What does the size of the employer have to do with it? Killing a big guy is no different from killing a little guy. Killing 5000 people is no better than killing two or three.

I’m not okay with a federal government demand that if a Jewish Temple is going to assist with a soup kitchen they better not omit pork products. Then what happens? The Temple stops helping the soup kitchen. Then the Temple is painted to be bad and evil, right? It’s what happens.

Frankly – there are plenty of places a person can get contraceptives. Planned Parenthood. Or pay for the contraceptives themselves. But requiring an entity whose doctrine insists it is a sin to provide it? The requirement itself is disgusting to me.

And those on the left are worried about tearing down the wall between church and state because the churches and religion are influencing policy. It works both ways, and the government is blasting through that wall telling churches what to do. It’s the same wall being broken down from the other side.

The government is telling people what they must do. That’s bad (I don’t like the government telling people what NOT to do, but requiring an affirmative act is a whole higher level to me). But not only is the federal government requiring an act, it is requiring churches to do it!

A state church is somehow more acceptable than a church state. Pass the Tylenol…

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[billvon 2,991]

>But it is interesting to see that you do not care about seperation of church and state.

I care about it a great deal - which is why I am glad that the US government did not cave in to the church's demands, and instead maintained that separation.

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>But it is interesting to see that you do not care about seperation of church and state.

I care about it a great deal - which is why I am glad that the US government did not cave in to the church's demands, and instead maintained that separation.

You support the state interfering with the church
So you cant care

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,027]

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>And in the end the States is now crossing the church and state line. This fact can not be argued

Only if you define "separation of church and state" as "the US Government will give Christians anything they ask for."

The Catholic Church did not get everything it wanted out of this. Too bad, so sad. But that's because we live in a democracy where the Church is not in charge.

Neither is the Fed. The people are supposed to be.

But it is interesting to see that you do not care about seperation of church and state.

The people get to elect the government. The people have no say in selecting bishops or popes.

If the church wants separation, it shouldn't concern itself with governance except for its own. The Roman bishops are inserting themselves in a secular matter.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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Those premiums pay for Viagra for old white sex offenders, and "racist" drugs like Bidil, and HIV treatment for immoral homosexuals, and acne drugs for vain teenagers. That broad support of treatment, where everyone pays for everyone else's treatment, is how health insurance works.

Yep. And health care is so expensive in part because it’s a damned commons. We’d never consider this sort of thing in something like car insurance. Picture a requirement that insurance must pay for replacement tires and only a $50 dollar copay. What is the likely thing to happen when it comes to the cost of auto insurance? If you say, “premium price skyrockets” then you’d be correct. Of course, it’s sound policy. New tires with viable tread are safer and save lives. Therefore, insurance companies must provide that service.

Next, out come sob stories about car accidents caused by aged and cracked wiper blades. “My insurance company declined to pay for new wiper blades, and as a result I couldn’t see where I was going and broadsided a schoolbus.” By golly, by gee, insurance companies then become required to cover new wiper blades every year. Insurance prices go up. The insurance companies then become vilified for raising prices.

But then we see that the cost of fuel is an election issue. It’s important and we must make fuel more affordable. Therefore, an insurance program is put forth so that ten gallons goes at any time for a $1.00 copay! The public rejoices as how affordable fuel is! “20 gallons for two dollars? Yippee!” Then the insurance premium REALLY jumps! In effect, we all end up paying ten bucks a gallon for gas because people are spending less at the pump but buying more fuel. Because the cost is pooled, everybody pays the same but people INCREASE their consumption, which increases the cost to the companies, increases the price. Feedback loop established.

Yep. This is what health insurance does. It increases demand for a resource by limiting the cost at the site of the transaction and making the actual cost (the $1k per month in premiums) must higher.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[kallend 2,027]

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Those premiums pay for Viagra for old white sex offenders, and "racist" drugs like Bidil, and HIV treatment for immoral homosexuals, and acne drugs for vain teenagers. That broad support of treatment, where everyone pays for everyone else's treatment, is how health insurance works.

Yep. And health care is so expensive in part because of lawyers.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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>And in the end the States is now crossing the church and state line. This fact can not be argued

Only if you define "separation of church and state" as "the US Government will give Christians anything they ask for."

The Catholic Church did not get everything it wanted out of this. Too bad, so sad. But that's because we live in a democracy where the Church is not in charge.

Neither is the Fed. The people are supposed to be.

But it is interesting to see that you do not care about seperation of church and state.

The people get to elect the government. The people have no say in selecting bishops or popes.

If the church wants separation, it shouldn't concern itself with governance except for its own. The Roman bishops are inserting themselves in a secular matter.

Incorrect
The state is telling a churh it has to supply birth control and morning after abortion drugs

This is against a long standing church positon

the state by default is tell the church what to do

So the church IS concerned with only its own

The drugs are still available are they not?

It is just a question of who pays for them

Your twist is just laughable

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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The Roman bishops are inserting themselves in a secular matter.

And they can take themselves out of it by declining to provide health insurance. Because that's what is really wanted, eh?

Then the church will be evil for not covering people. Or they'll be zealots for not covering certain things.

It's a finely played double bind, but begs the question: since when is providing insurance to employees state business? I always considered it to be a private matter.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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And health care is so expensive in part because of lawyers.

Yep. Too bad tort reform goes nowhere.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[rushmc 23]

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Those premiums pay for Viagra for old white sex offenders, and "racist" drugs like Bidil, and HIV treatment for immoral homosexuals, and acne drugs for vain teenagers. That broad support of treatment, where everyone pays for everyone else's treatment, is how health insurance works.

Yep. And health care is so expensive in part because of lawyers.

All right
the kallend we all know and love is on his way back

Yay......

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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And health care is so expensive in part because of lawyers.

Yep. Too bad tort reform goes nowhere.

It would be a part
But not the major part of a good reform plan

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 2,991]

>You support the state interfering with the church

Nope, I don't.

[rushmc 23]

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>You support the state interfering with the church

Nope, I don't.

Yes, you do

re-read your own posts

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 2,991]

>Yes, you do

Nice try! But I fear your attempts to tell other people what they really believe will work about as well as . . . all your other attempts to do the same thing.

Now get back to supporting pollution and HIV, you troublemaker.

[rushmc 23]

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>Yes, you do

Nice try! But I fear your attempts to tell other people what they really believe will work about as well as . . . all your other attempts to do the same thing.

Now get back to supporting pollution and HIV, you troublemaker.

I cant help it that you dont even know what you believe

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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>But since it is mandated to all insurance comanines,
>the price will be in the insurance regardless of whether or not you use it

That's true. But that's true of any treatment you don't like. Those premiums pay for Viagra for old white sex offenders, and "racist" drugs like Bidil, and HIV treatment for immoral homosexuals, and acne drugs for vain teenagers. That broad support of treatment, where everyone pays for everyone else's treatment, is how health insurance works.

You left out paying for other children's vaccines that are part of our group plan.

TO: Kallend - Yes, sir. About as logical as academia's political stratosphere.

I seemed to have stepped away for a couple of hours and see we're back to our old, "I know you are, but what am I?" end of thread tailing.

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

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Incorrect
The state is telling a churh it has to supply birth control and morning after abortion drugs

Actually, it's telling an employer that receives several billion in federal funding that it has to follow some guidelines (ie, strings).

[billvon 2,991]

>We’d never consider this sort of thing in something like car insurance.

We DO do that sort of thing in car insurance. You can get the absolute (state mandated) minumum that only covers basics like liability. You can get comprehensive collision that will come out and fix little cracks in your windshield for free*. Your choice.

And yes, that means you'll have to pay for the idiot teenager who slams into the back of someone's van while texting her friends. Again, that's how insurance works.

>Therefore, an insurance program is put forth so that ten gallons goes at any time for a
>$1.00 copay! The public rejoices as how affordable fuel is! “20 gallons for two dollars?
>Yippee!” Then the insurance premium REALLY jumps!

If the premiums were only $1000 more a year I bet a lot of people would choose that!

If the premiums were $30,000 a year I bet most people wouldn't.

Shouldn't they have that right?

(* - btw the reason they do that is that if you fix a windshield crack early, they can avoid paying for the cost of a complete replacement later. Clever, those insurance companies.)

[rushmc 23]

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Incorrect
The state is telling a churh it has to supply birth control and morning after abortion drugs

Actually, it's telling an employer that receives several billion in federal funding that it has to follow some guidelines (ie, strings).

And the pont you have here is very very sharp

The chuch is in bed with the gov for some things it wants

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Therefore, an insurance program is put forth so that ten gallons goes at any time for a
>$1.00 copay! The public rejoices as how affordable fuel is! “20 gallons for two dollars?
>Yippee!” Then the insurance premium REALLY jumps!

If the premiums were only $1000 more a year I bet a lot of people would choose that!

If the premiums were $30,000 a year I bet most people wouldn't.

It would start that way and end up that way. You and I both know what would happen with that, but with health care it's policy to require it.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[billvon 2,991]

>It would start that way and end up that way.

Then why hasn't that happened with government-mandated car insurance?

[Shotgun 1]

If little boys could get pregnant.... You know, it's sort of mind-boggling to think how that would change the course of almost everything in human history. I mean, patriarchy probably wouldn't exist, and therefore institutions such as, well, the Catholic Church would probably not exist.

And birth control might not even be necessary because there would probably be a lot less sex going on.

And hmm, men on their periods....