The Seven Varieties of Gun-o-phobes

[rushmc 23]

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that's what made it funny.

Ya, I'm pissin' my pants...hahahaha. You guys sure know humor.

To bad his point in real life is completely legitimate and wouldn't have caused such a lame diversion.

I saw the error from billvon's first reply

It got fun after that

but changing the subject, spinning, twisting or redirecting is what they do

Enjoy if for what it is

Nothing more, nothing less

In any event

My post was clear and on point

That being?

kallend would, by default, ban guns

That is what he wants in the end

And everybody here knows it

Like the Red Queen, you believe impossible things before breakfast.

Say Hi to Mr Mitty for us all

Ok?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DaVinci 0]

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So are you a convicted felon or mentally ill? No-one else is affected.

Yes, making me go to a shrink to be allowed to exercise my RIGHT under the 2nd is making it difficult. Making me file paperwork with the Govt to exercise my RIGHT according to the bill of rights is making it more difficult. Not a hard concept for most people to grasp.... why are you having such a hard time with it?

The irony of you crying about the ATF and toy rocket motors, your bitching about no fly zones for Bush (I have not seen you cry much about Obama having the same thing) yet then crying FOR more regulation on other people is the very definition of hypocrisy.

[kallend 2,027]

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The irony of you crying about the ATF and toy rocket motors,

A FEDERAL JUDGE decreed that the ATF had overstepped its authority. Apparently you have a problem with that.

Maybe you'd LIKE the ATF to make up any rules it pleases, which is what you are implying here. I suspect that most other gun owners would disagree with you.

So are you a felon or mentally disturbed? No others would be affected yet you make a lot of fuss.

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[billvon 2,995]

>So are you a felon or mentally disturbed?

Enough with the clever attacks.

[DaVinci 0]

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A FEDERAL JUDGE decreed that the ATF had overstepped its authority. Apparently you have a problem with that

5 FEDERAL JUDGES said that it is an individual right. Apparently you have a problem with that

8 FEDERAL JUDGES said The Second Amendment protects the ownership of military-type weapons. Apparently you have a problem with that

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Maybe you'd LIKE the ATF to make up any rules it pleases

PROVE I said anything like that...... All I have said is you have a double standard.

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So are you a felon or mentally disturbed? No others would be affected yet you make a lot of fuss.

And yet you were upset because the ATF wanted to limit toy rocket motors from felons, terrorists and the mentally disturbed.

See the irony and hypocrisy yet?

[kallend 2,027]

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A FEDERAL JUDGE decreed that the ATF had overstepped its authority. Apparently you have a problem with that

5 FEDERAL JUDGES said that it is an individual right. Apparently you have a problem with that

8 FEDERAL JUDGES said The Second Amendment protects the ownership of military-type weapons. Apparently you have a problem with that

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Maybe you'd LIKE the ATF to make up any rules it pleases

PROVE I said anything like that...... All I have said is you have a double standard.

Why do you think it OK for ATF to exceed its statutory authority with respect to rocket motors but not with respect to guns? You have a real double standard here.

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See the irony and hypocrisy yet?

Only yours, because your strawman is falling apart.

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[DaVinci 0]

I asked you to please prove your claim.... Are you able or are you not able?

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Maybe you'd LIKE the ATF to make up any rules it pleases

Please provide proof, or admit you made that up.

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Why do you think it OK for ATF to exceed its statutory authority with respect to rocket motors but not with respect to guns?

I never said they did... All I did was show that them overstepping their authority on one item was unacceptable for you but the other was desirable.

[kallend 2,027]

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Why do you think it OK for ATF to exceed its statutory authority with respect to rocket motors but not with respect to guns?

I never said they did... All I did was show that them overstepping their authority on one item was unacceptable for you but the other was desirable.

Which "other was desirable"? You are making up a strawman, and not doing a good job of it.

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[DaVinci 0]

I asked you to please prove your claim.... Are you able or are you not able?

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Maybe you'd LIKE the ATF to make up any rules it pleases

Please provide proof, or admit you made that up.

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Which "other was desirable"?

You cried that the ATF wanted the SAME restrictions to buy explosives as a gun.

[livendive 8]

There are an approximately equal number of complete whackjobs on both sides of the gun debate, some phobic, others philiac, all of them mad as a bag of hammers. It seems to me that those of us who quietly sit around enjoying or uninterested in guns are the distinct minority.

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

[billvon 2,995]

>It seems to me that those of us who quietly sit around enjoying or uninterested in guns
>are the distinct minority.

Ironically such people are vilified by both kinds of extremist. If you do not think a gun is the ideal solution to every possible situation you're a gun-o-phobe. If you own a gun for defense or hunting you're a gun nut.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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>It seems to me that those of us who quietly sit around enjoying or uninterested in guns
>are the distinct minority.

Ironically such people are vilified by both kinds of extremist. If you do not think a gun is the ideal solution to every possible situation you're a gun-o-phobe. If you own a gun for defense or hunting you're a gun nut.

That sums it up very nicely

[popsjumper 2]

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>It seems to me that those of us who quietly sit around enjoying or uninterested in guns
>are the distinct minority.

Ironically such people are vilified by both kinds of extremist. If you do not think a gun is the ideal solution to every possible situation you're a gun-o-phobe. If you own a gun for defense or hunting you're a gun nut.

That sums it up very nicely

Nope. Doesn't sum it up nicely at all.
Extreme definitions never sum up anything...except extremism.

One extreme: Ban ALL weapons!
Another: Give one to everybody.

One extreme: If you do not think a gun is the ideal solution to every possible situation you're a gun-o-phobe.
Another: If you DO think a gun is the ideal solution to every possible situation you're a gun nut.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Nope. Doesn't sum it up nicely at all.
Extreme definitions never sum up anything...except extremism.

Hate to break it to you pops, but that was indeed the point.

[Creep0321 0]

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Nope. Doesn't sum it up nicely at all.
Extreme definitions never sum up anything...except extremism.

Hate to break it to you pops, but that was indeed the point.

But not reality, the Majority of gun owners do not want to put a gun in everyones hand, they just want that RIGHT protected, where as the majority of gun-o-phobes do want to remove guns from everyone (except criminals because they wont follow stricter laws anyways)

Jack of all trades.
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[billvon 2,995]

>But not reality, the Majority of gun owners do not want to put a gun in everyones
>hand, they just want that RIGHT protected, where as the majority of gun-o-phobes do
>want to remove guns from everyone . . .

Yep. And gun nuts are nuts and shouldn't have guns to begin with.

But again, neither is anywhere close to representative of 90% of the people out there.

[Creep0321 0]

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Yep. And gun nuts are nuts and shouldn't have guns to begin with.

But again, neither is anywhere close to representative of 90% of the people out there.

I'm curious how you define gun nut? I'm a gun enthusiast, I own a few, shoot often, and have a concealed carry permit.. according to you am I a gun nut?

Jack of all trades.
Military Free Fall Jumpmaster.
USA Static-line Jumpmaster.

[billvon 2,995]

>I'm curious how you define gun nut?

That was sorta my point. Define "gun nuts" as "insane people with guns" and you can make a good argument to take them all away - but then you have included a tiny percentage of the population. Define em as gun enthusiasts and the argument doesn't work; there are a lot of them and they don't go shooting people randomly or trying to force everyone to have a gun.

Same thing with gun-o-phobe. Define it as people who hate all guns and your statement is correct - and again you have a tiny percentage of the population. Define it as people who are wary around guns and again you have a lot of them - but they don't want to take your guns away.

But it's easy to get people all defensive with either one, eh?

[livendive 8]

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Nope. Doesn't sum it up nicely at all.
Extreme definitions never sum up anything...except extremism.

Hate to break it to you pops, but that was indeed the point.

But not reality, the Majority of gun owners do not want to put a gun in everyones hand, they just want that RIGHT protected, where as the majority of gun-o-phobes do want to remove guns from everyone (except criminals because they wont follow stricter laws anyways)

Actually, I think the majority of people either quietly enjoy their right to own guns, or quietly find other things to do with their money. But whackjobs on both sides scream either "THEY'RE ALL TRYING TO TAKE OUR GUNS!" or "LET'S TAKE ALL THEIR GUNS!" I find such screeching simultaneously amusing and annoying, but Billvon was correct in that both will consider us quiet guys in the middle to be on the opposite end of the spectrum from them.

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

[DaVinci 0]

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There are an approximately equal number of complete whackjobs on both sides of the gun debate, some phobic, others philiac, all of them mad as a bag of hammers. It seems to me that those of us who quietly sit around enjoying or uninterested in guns are the distinct minority.

The big deal to me is this...
Pro gun folks like guns and if you want one think you should get one. If you don't want one, they think you don't have to get one.

Anti gun folks think no one should have a gun.

One steps on someone else's rights, the other lets people make their own choices.

BOTH don't want criminals to use them:
The pro gun folks know that the object is not the problem, it is the actions of the criminal and regulating the object will do nothing but harass the lawful owners.

Anti's for the most part want to regulate the object. Even when it has been shown to not really work (war on drugs, Mexico's gun problem).

[billvon 2,995]

>Pro gun folks like guns and if you want one think you should get one. If you don't
>want one, they think you don't have to get one.

>Anti gun folks think no one should have a gun.

Pro gun folks think that responsible citizens should be armed; unarmed people are mindless, defenseless sheep who are likely to have violence committed upon them - which is of course their own damn fault.

Anti gun folks are just protecting the children.

(Just to be "fair and balanced" and include both sides.)

Of course, none of the four above is really true. Some pro gun folks ARE nuts. Some anti gun folks DO want to ban all guns. And again, those are the extremes.

Most people who like guns just want to own a few themselves, and to protect their right to do so. Most people in favor of gun control just want to make it harder for criminals to get guns and/or for kids to kill themselves with them. Those two positions are no fun to flame about, but represent the vast majority of people in the US.

[DaVinci 0]

Ah, but there are anti gun people that only think the LEO's and military should be allowed a weapon.

There are very few if any pro gun folks that want it mandatory for everyone to walk around armed.