wmw999 2,452 #51 February 29, 2012 No program is without fraud or abuse. However, food stamps appear to be less so than many. According to Wikipedia:QuoteAccording to the Government Accountability Office, at a 2009 count, 3.53% of food stamps benefits were found to be overpaid, down from 7.01% in 1999. A 2003 analysis found that two-thirds of all improper payments were the fault of the caseworker, not the participant. There are also instances of fraud involving exchange of food stamp benefits for cash and/or for items not eligible for purchase with food stamps. In 2011, the Michigan program was revised after it was discovered that about 26,000 full-time college students were receiving monthly food stamp benefits. Nothing is perfect. And if you try to get rid of all error and/or fraud in a program, you'll drive the cost to far higher than the money you save. Kind of like spending $6000 to replace the engine in a rusted out Pinto. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #52 February 29, 2012 QuoteNo program is without fraud or abuse. However, food stamps appear to be less so than many. According to Wikipedia:QuoteAccording to the Government Accountability Office, at a 2009 count, 3.53% of food stamps benefits were found to be overpaid, down from 7.01% in 1999. A 2003 analysis found that two-thirds of all improper payments were the fault of the caseworker, not the participant. There are also instances of fraud involving exchange of food stamp benefits for cash and/or for items not eligible for purchase with food stamps. In 2011, the Michigan program was revised after it was discovered that about 26,000 full-time college students were receiving monthly food stamp benefits. Nothing is perfect. And if you try to get rid of all error and/or fraud in a program, you'll drive the cost to far higher than the money you save. Kind of like spending $6000 to replace the engine in a rusted out Pinto. Wendy P. Right, best thing to do is just get rid of the car and walk until you can afford one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #53 February 29, 2012 QuoteNo program is without fraud or abuse. However, food stamps appear to be less so than many. According to Wikipedia:QuoteAccording to the Government Accountability Office, at a 2009 count, 3.53% of food stamps benefits were found to be overpaid, down from 7.01% in 1999. A 2003 analysis found that two-thirds of all improper payments were the fault of the caseworker, not the participant. There are also instances of fraud involving exchange of food stamp benefits for cash and/or for items not eligible for purchase with food stamps. In 2011, the Michigan program was revised after it was discovered that about 26,000 full-time college students were receiving monthly food stamp benefits. Nothing is perfect. And if you try to get rid of all error and/or fraud in a program, you'll drive the cost to far higher than the money you save. Kind of like spending $6000 to replace the engine in a rusted out Pinto. Wendy P. sorry but the abuse and fraud is much larger than it should be and the qualifications are way to easy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #54 February 29, 2012 Quotesorry but the abuse and fraud is much larger than it should be and the qualifications are way to easy. Do you have information you can share with us on this? Wendy's provided some data that says you're mistaken. Care to rebut? - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #55 February 29, 2012 Quote Quote sorry but the abuse and fraud is much larger than it should be and the qualifications are way to easy. Do you have information you can share with us on this? Wendy's provided some data that says you're mistaken. Care to rebut? He just did. Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #56 February 29, 2012 >sorry but the abuse and fraud is much larger than it should be and the qualifications >are way to easy. I'm all for stopping the abuse and fraud. But as Wendy pointed out, that would save 3.5% of the costs of the program even if the efforts to stop it cost nothing. So while it's a good thing to do in general in this case it wouldn't save much. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #57 February 29, 2012 QuoteHe just did. Allow me to edit: Care to rebut with some evidence besides, "I said so?" - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #58 February 29, 2012 Quote>sorry but the abuse and fraud is much larger than it should be and the qualifications >are way to easy. I'm all for stopping the abuse and fraud. But as Wendy pointed out, that would save 3.5% of the costs of the program even if the efforts to stop it cost nothing. So while it's a good thing to do in general in this case it wouldn't save much. taking all off the programm that make more than 30k a year would save millions Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #59 February 29, 2012 >Taking all off the programm that make more than 30k a year would save millions Yes, it would, and I'm all for removing people who don't qualify - provided you don't spend billions doing it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,452 #60 March 1, 2012 The only way to get food stamps with more than a 30K gross income is to have a large enough family. And guidelines vary from state to state. This is a good thing, since cost of living certainly varies from state to state. In New York, as an example (just the first one I found in Google), the family has to be 5 people or more to get food stamps with an income of greater than 30K -- with "people" being verifiable citizens, or verifiable legal aliens who have been here more than 5 years (and that might be state-to-state). There is some variance if there are elderly or disabled in the household. There are valid objections to how food stamps are administered. It's better to object based on knowledge, rather than just a blanket objection without a lot of fact behind it. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dannydan 5 #61 March 1, 2012 Quote What the liberals on DZ.com don't want anyone to know is that it doesn't matter who said it or where it came from, it is true. If we keep handing out food stamps at the rate we are doing it the people will become dependant on them and forget how to earn money to pay for themselves. They like to spin things until the real meaning is lost. getting you running around looking for the source just moves the entire conversation from the words and then the meaning is lost. THANK YOU!!! finally, to the POINT of thee original post. After doing further searching of and IF the above mentioned AGENCIES being one in the same as SS pointed out that they are not, I've concluced that WHILE the DOI has intrests alongside and with the USFS and the USDA houses the USFS, the fact that the USDA and the DOI are separate from each other! Therefore as of now, i concede that my original post is not entirely accurate that i copied and pasted from another source. HOWEVER, one point is very clear to me about how the mindsets of people can be when there EMOTIONS git in their way... some WILL never see the forrests from the trees! adem; I personally know a millionaire that recieves public aid. One thing that was told to me back in 1992 when i was thinking about starting my own plastering company, "learn the tax laws/rules and you can win this game".... I seriously doubt that our nation will EVER see the COMMUNITY SPIRIT that was ingrained into the souls of the American people pre 1900... Sad, :( Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #62 March 1, 2012 Quoteadem; I personally know a millionaire that recieves public aid. So . . . why haven't you turned him in?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dannydan 5 #63 March 1, 2012 cause he plays by the rules set forth by congress! YOURS and mine.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #64 March 1, 2012 Quotecause he plays by the rules set forth by congress! YOURS and mine.... I see. What assistance is this person receiving?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dannydan 5 #65 March 1, 2012 dude man Q i have a question about yer pic, what is it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dannydan 5 #66 March 1, 2012 QuoteQuotecause he plays by the rules set forth by congress! YOURS and mine.... I see. What assistance is this person receiving? sorry pal! thats confidential! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #67 March 1, 2012 Quotedude man Q i have a question about yer pic, what is it? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Gadsden I've been using it as an icon for quite awhile now; about eight years I think. It's a pity you don't seem to recognize it and especially so since your admission of visiting and quoting material from Tea Party web sites. So . . . getting back to this "millionaire" who you say is getting public assistance. Who is he and what is he getting?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dannydan 5 #68 March 1, 2012 QuoteQuotedude man Q i have a question about yer pic, what is it? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Gadsden I've been using it as an icon for quite awhile now. It's a pity you don't seem to recognize it and especially so since your admission of visiting and quoting material from Tea Party web sites. So . . . getting back to this "millionaire" who you say is getting public assistance. Who is he and what is he getting? lmao search me on facebook! Its been my pic for awhile now!! Didn't trust you would tell me if i had mentioned Gadsen! As far as the millionaire and his life and daily habits... I've shared all i'm gonna share. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #69 March 1, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuotedude man Q i have a question about yer pic, what is it? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Gadsden I've been using it as an icon for quite awhile now. It's a pity you don't seem to recognize it and especially so since your admission of visiting and quoting material from Tea Party web sites. So . . . getting back to this "millionaire" who you say is getting public assistance. Who is he and what is he getting? lmao search me on facebook! Its been my pic for awhile now!! Didn't trust you would tell me if i had mentioned Gadsen! As far as the millionaire and his life and daily habits... I've shared all i'm gonna share. Great! Then consider yourself part of the abuse of the system by millionaires.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dannydan 5 #70 March 1, 2012 what don't you get about not following the tax laws and rules set forth by our democratic government? quit trying to take this somewhere you can't Wait a minute, you want in on that action don't you? uh huh,now i know yer alteriere motive lol lmao! your a funny funny guy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #71 March 1, 2012 These threads are always the same. Wendy and/or Marge(aka Nerdgirl) provide a wealth of information and knowledge to back up their claims in support of public assistance while the opposition provides nothing but mere verbal flatus... I think this thread always put things into prespective wrt this subject: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_view_flat;post=3481008;page=1;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;mh=25;Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #72 March 1, 2012 Quotewhat don't you get about not following the tax laws and rules set forth by our democratic government? quit trying to take this somewhere you can't Wait a minute, you want in on that action don't you? uh huh,now i know yer alteriere motive lol lmao! your a funny funny guy Nope. If a millionaire is getting government assistance, then he's either cheating the system or there's a loophole that needs closing. If he's cheating the system, he needs to be ratted out. If he's using a loophole, it needs to be closed. To turn a blind eye to it and simply walk away is to be part of the problem. So, who is he and what is he getting?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dannydan 5 #73 March 1, 2012 QuoteQuotewhat don't you get about not following the tax laws and rules set forth by our democratic government? quit trying to take this somewhere you can't Wait a minute, you want in on that action don't you? uh huh,now i know yer alteriere motive lol lmao! your a funny funny guy Nope. If a millionaire is getting government assistance, then he's either cheating the system or there's a loophole that needs closing. If he's cheating the system, he needs to be ratted out. If he's using a loophole, it needs to be closed. To turn a blind eye to it and simply walk away is to be part of the problem. So, who is he and what is he getting? i am so not part of this problem and thus i'm not turning a blind eye to it. Speaking of eyes, thanks for trying to pull a splinter out of mine, is there a log in yours i can help you with getting out? :P sounds like you might be the speech writer for Janet whats her Namepalatanio??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #74 March 1, 2012 Quotei am so not part of this problem and thus i'm not turning a blind eye to it. Of course you are. I mean, you say you know a millionaire who's getting government assistance, but you're unwilling to do anything about it. Pretty much the definition of the phrase. Or, wait, was your story just BS? Is that why you won't name him and say what he's getting?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dannydan 5 #75 March 1, 2012 QuoteQuotei am so not part of this problem and thus i'm not turning a blind eye to it. Of course you are. I mean, you say you know a millionaire who's getting government assistance, but you're unwilling to do anything about it. Pretty much the definition of the phrase. Or, wait, was your story just BS? Is that why you won't name him and say what he's getting? are you really this deep into self rightousness man? Tell ya what BRO, i'll give you this and i'm done, They live in Washington D.C. Now YOU go read their tax laws and find the loophole for anyone that makes over $1,000,000 and is eligible for dental assistance for their family and YOU fix it! ciaos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
