mirage62 0 #501 March 27, 2012 Quote The truth is almost certainly between those two extremes. As I believe my post have noted. I do wonder if EITHER side truthfully will accept anything but what they want. Yes I understand he did it (Zimmerman) I also understand that things are coming out that make Martain not to be the St. the press wants him to be.Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #502 March 27, 2012 QuoteQuoteMight as well make a few bucks off your dead child. Perhaps this will help with the greiving process. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/trayvon-martin-trademarks-769123 QuoteMARCH 26--The mother of Trayvon Martin has filed two applications to secure trademarks containing her late son’s name, records show. Sybrina Fulton is seeking marks for the phrases “I Am Trayvon” and “Justice for Trayvon,” according to filings made last week with the United States Patent and Trademark Office. In both instances, Fulton, 46, is seeking the trademarks for use on “Digital materials, namely, CDs and DVDs featuring Trayvon Martin,” and other products. That also prevents other people from making money of her dead child. But you wouldn't look at it from that side, would you.... Which they are already doing. This allows her to sue them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toolbox 0 #503 March 27, 2012 I cant believe you are asking why Zimmerman would follow a strange character in the area at night. If you see someone out of place in your area,at night,why would you not be currious about it? If the area has a watch program in effect,it usually means they have a crime problem. Since when is it a crime to keep an eye on suspiscious characters? I would keep an eye on someone strange in my area,since I've been the victim of car prowlers. I would not shoot anyone for a car stereo,but I would shoot them if they attacked me in the dark while I was keeping an eye on them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #504 March 27, 2012 >Since when is it a crime to keep an eye on suspiscious characters? It's not. Nor is it a crime to buy Skittles. >but I would shoot them if they attacked me in the dark while I was keeping an eye on them. And you'd also probably defend yourself if an armed stranger came up to you while you were walking back from the store and threatened you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #505 March 27, 2012 Show me the evidence that Treyvon WAS verbally threatened, not that he FELT threatened. Show me the evidence that Treyvon knew the shooter WAS armed. They call it concealed carry for a reason. You can no more prove that Teyvon had knoweldge of the gun that I can prove that Zimmerman kept the gun concealed right until the fatal shot. For all the nonsense talk you made about divisions and partisan lines you sure are playing right in to your own observation."The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #506 March 27, 2012 >Show me the evidence that Treyvon WAS verbally threatened, not that he FELT threatened. There is none. You could ask him, but he's dead. Now show me the evidence that Treyvon initiated the attack on Zimmerman. Again, there is none. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wlsc 0 #507 March 27, 2012 ...The drug war has never been focused on rooting out drug kingpins or violent offenders. Federal funding flows to those agencies that increase dramatically the volume of drug arrests, not the agencies most successful in bringing down the bosses. What gets rewarded in this war is sheer numbers of drug arrests. To make matters worse, federal drug forfeiture laws allow state and local law enforcement agencies to keep for their own use 80% of the cash, cars, and homes seized from drug suspects, thus granting law enforcement a direct monetary interest in the profitability of the drug market. The results have been predictable: people of color rounded up en masse for relatively minor, non-violent drug offenses. In 2005, four out of five drug arrests were for possession, only one out of five for sales. Most people in state prison have no history of violence or even of significant selling activity. In fact, during the 1990s -- the period of the most dramatic expansion of the drug war -- nearly 80% of the increase in drug arrests was for marijuana possession, a drug generally considered less harmful than alcohol or tobacco and at least as prevalent in middle-class white communities as in the inner city. In this way, a new racial undercaste has been created in an astonishingly short period of time -- a new Jim Crow system... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
devildog 0 #508 March 27, 2012 QuoteQuote Is there really a problem with letting the FACTS play out here? Unfortunately I think it is likely that the facts will never all be known. Makes it a bit of a Roschach test, I think. We know Zimmermann got out of his vehicle and followed the dude at some point, we know there was a scuffle at some point (and apparently Z was getting the worst of that), we know that Zimmerman shot Martin. Between those things there is a lot of fill-in-the-blank going on. And if that's as far as the case can ever get to, is why he should never be convicted. Quote I have a question for the attorneys, though. My belief was that self-defense in a case like this was an affirmative defense, which would shift the burden to Zimmerman to establish certain elements of his defense. Is that correct? Of does the prosecution have to estbalish that Zimmerman was "not" in fear of his life?If you read through the SPD reports and the FAQ they let out recently (back in the thread) you'll see they had and still have every belief that Zimmerman was in fear for his life/bodily harm and thus would not and could not arrest him. Nothing went against his story, witness or evidence wise, so with no other viable alternatives, his story is the one that stands.You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toolbox 0 #509 March 27, 2012 You said that I would probably defend myself if an armed stranger approached me. Only if they attacked me up close. If I knew they were armed and at a distance,I would most likely run in a zig zag trying to make a hard to hit target while looking for cover. But I'm not 17 any more and I'm less prone to aggresive responses and have also learned years ago that I'm not invincibal. Some people have asked what if Zimmerman had his gun out and was on Trayvon? I think that scenario would be unlikely,since when using a firearm,you would want to keep a good distance from the other person to prevent them from touching you(taking away the weapon or stabbing or punching you) and why would someone attack a person with a gun pointing at them. If you are pointing a gun at someone,why would you let them break your nose and then beat your head on the concrete? Really! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #510 March 27, 2012 Quote I have a question for the attorneys, though. My belief was that self-defense in a case like this was an affirmative defense, which would shift the burden to Zimmerman to establish certain elements of his defense. Is that correct? Of does the prosecution have to estbalish that Zimmerman was "not" in fear of his life? Excellent question. Paging Andy9o8, Paging Andy9o8. You have a question in the SC room.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #511 March 27, 2012 Quote>Show me the evidence that Treyvon WAS verbally threatened, not that he FELT threatened. There is none. You could ask him, but he's dead. Now show me the evidence that Treyvon initiated the attack on Zimmerman. Again, there is none. We agree! I don't think there is proof that either of them initiated the attack at this point. Only conflicting accounts and claims. I am happy to let this go through the legal system and will cease instantly argue the devils advocate as soon as there is a timeout on the other side by the race baiters and judge and jury folks that want to table the legal process convict Zimmerman now with no due process, and without the benefit of weighing all of the facts and allegations, not just a selection of the facts and allegations."The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #512 March 27, 2012 QuoteWhat would happen if a black man armed with a handgun confronted "suspicious persons" in his neighborhood? What would happen if the "suspicious persons" were unarmed white teens, one of them was shot dead, and the shooter claimed self-defense? This is not an exercise in mere speculation. We know what would happen in such a case. There would be no white mobs in the street chanting "No justice, no peace!" There would be no whites holding a "million hoodie march" in New York City. There would be no white equivalent of Al Sharpton, the professional race-baiter behind the 1987 Tawana Brawley hoax, leading marches in the streets of the shooter's hometown. There would be no Federal civil rights investigation by the Justice Department. There would be no comments from a president who seems congenitally unable to keep his mouth shut on matters involving left-wing political correctness. And there would be no national media attention from biased, left-wing "reporters." http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/03/what_if_trayvon_had_been_white_and_the_shooter_black.html"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #513 March 27, 2012 Quoterace relations are still extremely poor for this outcry to occur Ya, It's disheartening...I certainly overestimated any progress we've made in that area.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #514 March 27, 2012 Quote...The drug war has never been focused on rooting out drug kingpins or violent offenders. Federal funding flows to those agencies that increase dramatically the volume of drug arrests, not the agencies most successful in bringing down the bosses. What gets rewarded in this war is sheer numbers of drug arrests. To make matters worse, federal drug forfeiture laws allow state and local law enforcement agencies to keep for their own use 80% of the cash, cars, and homes seized from drug suspects, thus granting law enforcement a direct monetary interest in the profitability of the drug market. The results have been predictable: people of color rounded up en masse for relatively minor, non-violent drug offenses. In 2005, four out of five drug arrests were for possession, only one out of five for sales. Most people in state prison have no history of violence or even of significant selling activity. In fact, during the 1990s -- the period of the most dramatic expansion of the drug war -- nearly 80% of the increase in drug arrests was for marijuana possession, a drug generally considered less harmful than alcohol or tobacco and at least as prevalent in middle-class white communities as in the inner city. In this way, a new racial undercaste has been created in an astonishingly short period of time -- a new Jim Crow system... I tend to agree with you here. As a substance use disorder counselor for convicted felons most of my clients were on probation for possession with intent to sell, not actually selling. In FL that charge is based on quantity held at the time of arrest. Most of those so convicted confessed to me that they were dealers. Also in FL, marijuana is the only controlled substance that carries a misdemeanor charge based on quantity. Of those in my program about 75% were black and crack dealers. The other 25% were white and methamphetamine manufacturers and dealers. Please note, my percentages are approximate for discussion purposes only. They are not to be considered accurate enough for research statistics.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #515 March 27, 2012 QuoteQuoteHow else could Zimmerman confront Martin if he wasn't able to outrun him, since he had to leave his truck? You make the presumption that Martin was running away as fast as he could as soon as Zimmerman left his truck. We know this isn't true. I didn't say Martin was running as fast as he could, only that he ran. But since you make the statement how do YOU know that he *wasn't* running as fast as he could from someone following him in a truck? QuoteQuoteYes, Jake - I misread the statement and thought it mentioned the start of the fight. So you knew you were flat wrong on the one specific issue I was asking about, and yet you had the gall to accuse me of word games at the start of your last post? Why is it impossible to have a straight discussion with you without any of that bullshit creeping in? Because of the bullshit you always put in, like "Martin running away as fast as he could", maybe? YOUR assumptions are A-Ok, but God forbid anyone get any of THEIR information wrong because you'll ride their ass for a dozen posts over it. QuoteQuoteGiven that information, how *else* would the confrontation have taken place, absent Martin returning to the scene? Billvon has given several scenarios. But that would presume you'd read the thread. The ones where Zimmerman 'came up to Martin and threatened him'? Not supported by evidence of the 911 call, unless Martin ran around Zimmerman and was waiting at his truck. The eyewitness reports give plenty of info, too - but that would presume that you actually did all the reading on the incident that you claimed to have done. QuoteQuoteQuoteGiven that Zimmerman knew that the police were mere moments away, why would *Zimmerman* attack Martin? Why did he follow him in the first place? Because he was someone he didn't recognize wandering around the neighborhood? QuoteHe's got a history of being aggressive and confrontational Got a cite for this aggressive, confrontational history between Zimmerman and Martin? Quoteand after chasing him in the first place, it wouldn't take much for Zimmerman to put Martin in genuine fear of his own safety. Really? When did that happen, when Zimmerman was on the phone with 911 from *before* he got out of the truck until *after* Martin ran and Zimmerman broke off the pursuit? Oddly enough, there's no threats being yelled to Martin in the transcript.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #516 March 27, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote Still waiting on your "plausable reasons". Yes, you are. So how do you know they're whimsical? You must be going for some kind of contradiction record. But seriously, can you think of no way that an unarmed man can threaten another unarmed man? Just a yes or a no. You can do it. How many invitations do you need... OK. Agrown man has just been following a teenager at night for no reason, grabs him by the arm and wont let go, while aggressively asking who the fuck he is and what the fuck he's doing, and threatening to kick his ass if he's a) a punk and b) if he tries to leave. That is but one of the things that would make me feel quite threatened if I was in the teenager's position. Were you able to think of that? No? Then... No, we were dealing in real-world scenarios, not ones where an out of shape adult on foot runs down a 17 year old football star some 2.5 minutes after the kid started running.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #517 March 27, 2012 Quote>Show me the evidence that Treyvon WAS verbally threatened, not that he FELT threatened. There is none. You could ask him, but he's dead. Now show me the evidence that Treyvon initiated the attack on Zimmerman. Again, there is none. How about showing the proof that Zimmerman approached Martin as you claim? Given the lag between Martin taking off at a run and Zimmerman ending the call to 911 as he was returning to his truck, Z should've been running in the Olympics instead of Usain Bolt for your scenario to play out.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #518 March 27, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Still waiting on your "plausable reasons". Yes, you are. So how do you know they're whimsical? You must be going for some kind of contradiction record. But seriously, can you think of no way that an unarmed man can threaten another unarmed man? Just a yes or a no. You can do it. How many invitations do you need... OK. Agrown man has just been following a teenager at night for no reason, grabs him by the arm and wont let go, while aggressively asking who the fuck he is and what the fuck he's doing, and threatening to kick his ass if he's a) a punk and b) if he tries to leave. That is but one of the things that would make me feel quite threatened if I was in the teenager's position. Were you able to think of that? No? Then... No, we were dealing in real-world scenarios, not ones where an out of shape adult on foot runs down a 17 year old football star some 2.5 minutes after the kid started running. Shhhhh...he's enjoying his fantasies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,489 #519 March 27, 2012 Quote Quote "If the eyewitness reports are true, Martin closed on Zimmerman and knocked him to the ground, initiating the attack." Except that there are no eye witness reports regarding that. Danger Will Robinson! Danger! Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,489 #520 March 27, 2012 QuoteBecause of the bullshit you always put in, like "Martin running away as fast as he could", maybe? What difference does it make? Running as fast as he can/ running fast enough to get away from Zimmerman, what quantifiable difference is there? Why is it a big thing? Just more bullshit distractions. QuoteThe ones where Zimmerman 'came up to Martin and threatened him'? Nope, there were plenty more than that. But that would presume you had even bothered to read the thread. QuoteThe eyewitness reports give plenty of info, too Like what? What, that is relevant to how the two came together? QuoteBecause he was someone he didn't recognize wandering around the neighborhood? And therefore instantly decided that he was high on drugs, looking for a place to break into and always getting away with it. Yeah, why would Zimmerman confront or attack that guy? QuoteGot a cite for this aggressive, confrontational history between Zimmerman and Martin? Between Zimmerman and Martin? WTF you talkin' bout? QuoteOddly enough, there's no threats being yelled to Martin in the transcript. Threats being yelled by Zimmerman while chasing him? WTF you talkin' bout?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mirage62 0 #521 March 27, 2012 If Zimmerman is WHITE (like the press keeps reporting) Obama is WHITE. To me the above is a great example of what is wrong with the reporting of this story.Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #522 March 27, 2012 Not only that, Zimmerman is a Democrat!! http://freebeacon.com/registered-dem-killed-trayvon/ Quote The individual at the center of the controversial Trayvon Martin shooting is a registered Democrat. George Michael Zimmerman, born Oct. 5, 1983, registered as a Democrat in Seminole County, Fla., in August 2002, according to state voter registration documents. It is unclear whether he voted for President Barack Obama in 2008. Some in the media have sought to blame Republican politicians and conservative activists for Martin’s death. “[Republican politicians] reinforce and validate old stereotypes that associate the poor and welfare as criminal behavior with African-Americans and people of color, calling us lazy, undeserving recipients of public assistance. In the case of Trayvon, those festering stereotypes had lethal consequences,” said MSNBC political analyst and Democratic fundraiser Karen Finney. According to the document, Zimmerman’s race is officially listed as Hispanic. The son of a white father and Peruvian mother, he has been described as a “white Hispanic” in most media reports. Following the Feb. 26 fatal shooting of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in a Sanford, Fla. gated community, Zimmerman has been the target of widespread outrage. Zimmerman shot and killed Martin following a physical confrontation, but has yet to be charged with a crime. He says he acted in self-defense, a claim supported by the Sanford, Fla., Police Department investigating the case. Protesters and activists led by professional racial justice advocates Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have suggested Martin’s killing was racially motivated, and have called for Zimmerman’s arrest. “We want George Zimmerman in court with handcuffs behind his back,” Sharpton said last week. Martin’s mother, Sabrina Fulton, has alleged that Zimmerman killed her son “because of the color of his skin.” Craig Sonner, the attorney representing Zimmerman, has denied such allegations, noting that his client has acted as a mentor to a black single mother and her two children, and had helped them raise money for their all-black church. For Zimmerman’s safety, the Free Beacon has redacted his address from the registration document. The New Black Panther Party has offered a $10,000 bounty for Zimmerman’s capture. (I know, I know, I just wanted to throw that in to muck up this thread even more than it already is) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #523 March 27, 2012 O.K. now that I know he's a Democrat, I've changed my support. Throw this racist Mofo in jail. It's obvious to me now he is a racist. probably supports Affirmative Action. Fry him. Turn him over to the Black Panthers!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites headoverheels 333 #524 March 27, 2012 Quote If Zimmerman is WHITE (like the press keeps reporting) Obama is WHITE. To me the above is a great example of what is wrong with the reporting of this story. I thought you were from Georgia? If so, then you know that 1/16th black is still considered black. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #525 March 27, 2012 QuoteQuotethe precise details are that there were trace amounts, which begs the question of why it was described as "empty." When my orange juice carton has only trace amounts of orange juice left on the sides I describe it as empty. Same with my car's gas tank. And, y'know, pretty much everything. QuoteThis apparently is the 3rd suspension for the young man. For marijuana? So what? I thought the days of 'reefer madness' were rightfully dead and buried. What gave you that idea? Reefer madness lives on, especially in the Fed, though the farce of medical marijuana will ultimately kill it. The other two suspensions were for graffiti, though oddly he was said to have been found with jewelry that wasn't his, along with a "burglar tool." (The family is angrily contesting this one). The second suspension was for truancy, I believe. As for this one, OJ isn't the same as dope, is it? But if your 'empty' OJ container reeked of vodka, you're getting suspended for alcohol. And as to Kallend's notion about coke on 20$ bills - not sure that urban legend was ever true, wonder if it still is. But in any event, $20 bills circulate in the population, baggies and juice containers do not. it's clear we don't have a young and innocent little boy here. With the presumed existence of a witness saying he was an aggressor and no evidence to the contrary, it's going to be difficult to establish a manslaughter case. 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mnealtx 0 #516 March 27, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote Still waiting on your "plausable reasons". Yes, you are. So how do you know they're whimsical? You must be going for some kind of contradiction record. But seriously, can you think of no way that an unarmed man can threaten another unarmed man? Just a yes or a no. You can do it. How many invitations do you need... OK. Agrown man has just been following a teenager at night for no reason, grabs him by the arm and wont let go, while aggressively asking who the fuck he is and what the fuck he's doing, and threatening to kick his ass if he's a) a punk and b) if he tries to leave. That is but one of the things that would make me feel quite threatened if I was in the teenager's position. Were you able to think of that? No? Then... No, we were dealing in real-world scenarios, not ones where an out of shape adult on foot runs down a 17 year old football star some 2.5 minutes after the kid started running.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #517 March 27, 2012 Quote>Show me the evidence that Treyvon WAS verbally threatened, not that he FELT threatened. There is none. You could ask him, but he's dead. Now show me the evidence that Treyvon initiated the attack on Zimmerman. Again, there is none. How about showing the proof that Zimmerman approached Martin as you claim? Given the lag between Martin taking off at a run and Zimmerman ending the call to 911 as he was returning to his truck, Z should've been running in the Olympics instead of Usain Bolt for your scenario to play out.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #518 March 27, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Still waiting on your "plausable reasons". Yes, you are. So how do you know they're whimsical? You must be going for some kind of contradiction record. But seriously, can you think of no way that an unarmed man can threaten another unarmed man? Just a yes or a no. You can do it. How many invitations do you need... OK. Agrown man has just been following a teenager at night for no reason, grabs him by the arm and wont let go, while aggressively asking who the fuck he is and what the fuck he's doing, and threatening to kick his ass if he's a) a punk and b) if he tries to leave. That is but one of the things that would make me feel quite threatened if I was in the teenager's position. Were you able to think of that? No? Then... No, we were dealing in real-world scenarios, not ones where an out of shape adult on foot runs down a 17 year old football star some 2.5 minutes after the kid started running. Shhhhh...he's enjoying his fantasies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #519 March 27, 2012 Quote Quote "If the eyewitness reports are true, Martin closed on Zimmerman and knocked him to the ground, initiating the attack." Except that there are no eye witness reports regarding that. Danger Will Robinson! Danger! Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #520 March 27, 2012 QuoteBecause of the bullshit you always put in, like "Martin running away as fast as he could", maybe? What difference does it make? Running as fast as he can/ running fast enough to get away from Zimmerman, what quantifiable difference is there? Why is it a big thing? Just more bullshit distractions. QuoteThe ones where Zimmerman 'came up to Martin and threatened him'? Nope, there were plenty more than that. But that would presume you had even bothered to read the thread. QuoteThe eyewitness reports give plenty of info, too Like what? What, that is relevant to how the two came together? QuoteBecause he was someone he didn't recognize wandering around the neighborhood? And therefore instantly decided that he was high on drugs, looking for a place to break into and always getting away with it. Yeah, why would Zimmerman confront or attack that guy? QuoteGot a cite for this aggressive, confrontational history between Zimmerman and Martin? Between Zimmerman and Martin? WTF you talkin' bout? QuoteOddly enough, there's no threats being yelled to Martin in the transcript. Threats being yelled by Zimmerman while chasing him? WTF you talkin' bout?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mirage62 0 #521 March 27, 2012 If Zimmerman is WHITE (like the press keeps reporting) Obama is WHITE. To me the above is a great example of what is wrong with the reporting of this story.Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #522 March 27, 2012 Not only that, Zimmerman is a Democrat!! http://freebeacon.com/registered-dem-killed-trayvon/ Quote The individual at the center of the controversial Trayvon Martin shooting is a registered Democrat. George Michael Zimmerman, born Oct. 5, 1983, registered as a Democrat in Seminole County, Fla., in August 2002, according to state voter registration documents. It is unclear whether he voted for President Barack Obama in 2008. Some in the media have sought to blame Republican politicians and conservative activists for Martin’s death. “[Republican politicians] reinforce and validate old stereotypes that associate the poor and welfare as criminal behavior with African-Americans and people of color, calling us lazy, undeserving recipients of public assistance. In the case of Trayvon, those festering stereotypes had lethal consequences,” said MSNBC political analyst and Democratic fundraiser Karen Finney. According to the document, Zimmerman’s race is officially listed as Hispanic. The son of a white father and Peruvian mother, he has been described as a “white Hispanic” in most media reports. Following the Feb. 26 fatal shooting of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in a Sanford, Fla. gated community, Zimmerman has been the target of widespread outrage. Zimmerman shot and killed Martin following a physical confrontation, but has yet to be charged with a crime. He says he acted in self-defense, a claim supported by the Sanford, Fla., Police Department investigating the case. Protesters and activists led by professional racial justice advocates Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have suggested Martin’s killing was racially motivated, and have called for Zimmerman’s arrest. “We want George Zimmerman in court with handcuffs behind his back,” Sharpton said last week. Martin’s mother, Sabrina Fulton, has alleged that Zimmerman killed her son “because of the color of his skin.” Craig Sonner, the attorney representing Zimmerman, has denied such allegations, noting that his client has acted as a mentor to a black single mother and her two children, and had helped them raise money for their all-black church. For Zimmerman’s safety, the Free Beacon has redacted his address from the registration document. The New Black Panther Party has offered a $10,000 bounty for Zimmerman’s capture. (I know, I know, I just wanted to throw that in to muck up this thread even more than it already is) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #523 March 27, 2012 O.K. now that I know he's a Democrat, I've changed my support. Throw this racist Mofo in jail. It's obvious to me now he is a racist. probably supports Affirmative Action. Fry him. Turn him over to the Black Panthers!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 333 #524 March 27, 2012 Quote If Zimmerman is WHITE (like the press keeps reporting) Obama is WHITE. To me the above is a great example of what is wrong with the reporting of this story. I thought you were from Georgia? If so, then you know that 1/16th black is still considered black. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #525 March 27, 2012 QuoteQuotethe precise details are that there were trace amounts, which begs the question of why it was described as "empty." When my orange juice carton has only trace amounts of orange juice left on the sides I describe it as empty. Same with my car's gas tank. And, y'know, pretty much everything. QuoteThis apparently is the 3rd suspension for the young man. For marijuana? So what? I thought the days of 'reefer madness' were rightfully dead and buried. What gave you that idea? Reefer madness lives on, especially in the Fed, though the farce of medical marijuana will ultimately kill it. The other two suspensions were for graffiti, though oddly he was said to have been found with jewelry that wasn't his, along with a "burglar tool." (The family is angrily contesting this one). The second suspension was for truancy, I believe. As for this one, OJ isn't the same as dope, is it? But if your 'empty' OJ container reeked of vodka, you're getting suspended for alcohol. And as to Kallend's notion about coke on 20$ bills - not sure that urban legend was ever true, wonder if it still is. But in any event, $20 bills circulate in the population, baggies and juice containers do not. it's clear we don't have a young and innocent little boy here. With the presumed existence of a witness saying he was an aggressor and no evidence to the contrary, it's going to be difficult to establish a manslaughter case. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
