Guest #651 March 29, 2012 Quote Very sad. http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/17/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html#0_undefined,0_ comments deleted. no point in stirring this pot. mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #652 March 29, 2012 He sure didn't look like someone who'd been beaten up to the extent of believing his life in danger. If his injuries were so bad (broken nose, cuts), why wasn't he taken to an emergency room?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick 67 #653 March 29, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteAnd how come falsely calling Zimmerman 'Jorges' is ok but correctly calling him 'George' is playing the race card? How is it false to call him Jorges?? Is it his name? No. Is George his name? Yes. OK 1 more time. MOST of the family calls him Jorge. Others call him George.You can't be drunk all day if you don't start early! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #654 March 29, 2012 Quote He sure didn't look like someone who'd been beaten up to the extent of believing his life in danger. If his injuries were so bad (broken nose, cuts), why wasn't he taken to an emergency room? If you believe the narrative Zimmerman only needed to reasonably believe his life was in danger. He didn't need to wait until half dead to confirm his belief. Some one who has knocked you down and sat on your chest is a threat to your life even before they throw the first punch while on the ground. Your in a weak position and all it would take would one good punch or one hard slam to the concrete. They have already demonstrated intent to do harm by knocking your down to the ground and getting on top of you. If you don't by that l will let you set the standard. How many punches or head slams are required before some one can defend themselves. If we base self defense on such a standard how does a person prove that they waiting until the right amount of battery took place? What if they are crappy counters and they have to start over?"The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #655 March 29, 2012 QuoteQuote How many punches or head slams are required before some one can defend themselves Enough that the police would take the individual who *claimed* those injuries to an ER for a check up.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #656 March 29, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteAnd how come falsely calling Zimmerman 'Jorges' is ok but correctly calling him 'George' is playing the race card? How is it false to call him Jorges?? Is it his name? No. Is George his name? Yes. OK 1 more time. MOST of the family calls him Jorge. Others call him George. Don't even bother. Some people have such a burning desire to be right they will literally split an atom just to prove it. I only started calling him Jorges because I knew it would cause this type of reaction from the usual suspects and I enjoy watching them make a fool of themselves over such a minor point in the desire to be right. A bit like spitting into a pond full of minnows. Works every time with some. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,027 #657 March 29, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteAnd how come falsely calling Zimmerman 'Jorges' is ok but correctly calling him 'George' is playing the race card? How is it false to call him Jorges?? Is it his name? No. Is George his name? Yes. OK 1 more time. MOST of the family calls him Jorge. Others call him George. Don't even bother. Some people have such a burning desire to be right they will literally split an atom just to prove it. I only started calling him Jorges because I knew it would cause this type of reaction from the usual suspects and I enjoy watching them make a fool of themselves over such a minor point in the desire to be right. A bit like spitting into a pond full of minnows. Works every time with some. Lame-O. What is the name on his birth certificate? Is it George or Jorge? Only one can be right.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites normiss 800 #658 March 29, 2012 Unless they were to refuse that care. Injury? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DougH 270 #659 March 29, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuote How many punches or head slams are required before some one can defend themselves Enough that the police would take the individual to an ER for a check up. So you would argue that the capacity for a situation to cause harm is irrelevant and that there is a threshold of harm that needs to be incurred before you can defend yourself from further harm. Should the same standard be applied to someone faced with an attacker with a weapon, say a knife or gun? If not please explain why different standards should be used."The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,027 #660 March 29, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote How many punches or head slams are required before some one can defend themselves Enough that the police would take the individual to an ER for a check up. So you would argue that the capacity for a situation to cause harm is irrelevant and that there is a threshold of harm that needs to be incurred before you can defend yourself from further harm. Should the same standard be applied to someone faced with an attacker with a weapon, say a knife or gun? If not please explain why different standards should be used. Nope. I am saying that if a suspect *claims* injury (especially a head injury as is the case here), then the duty of the police is to have that checked out by medical professionals. For liability reasons, if nothing else. That was certainly SOP when I was a sworn LEO some 40 years ago.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rick 67 #661 March 29, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteAnd how come falsely calling Zimmerman 'Jorges' is ok but correctly calling him 'George' is playing the race card? How is it false to call him Jorges?? Is it his name? No. Is George his name? Yes. OK 1 more time. MOST of the family calls him Jorge. Others call him George. Don't even bother. Some people have such a burning desire to be right they will literally split an atom just to prove it. I only started calling him Jorges because I knew it would cause this type of reaction from the usual suspects and I enjoy watching them make a fool of themselves over such a minor point in the desire to be right. A bit like spitting into a pond full of minnows. Works every time with some. Lame-O. What is the name on his birth certificate? Is it George or Jorge? Only one can be right. I have no idea what is on his birth certificate. I know from personal experience what he is called by his family members that are predominately Hispanic. Mainly from Peru and Columbia. Believe what you want but calling him a Cracker is about as far from the truth as you can get.You can't be drunk all day if you don't start early! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,027 #662 March 29, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteAnd how come falsely calling Zimmerman 'Jorges' is ok but correctly calling him 'George' is playing the race card? How is it false to call him Jorges?? Is it his name? No. Is George his name? Yes. OK 1 more time. MOST of the family calls him Jorge. Others call him George. Don't even bother. Some people have such a burning desire to be right they will literally split an atom just to prove it. I only started calling him Jorges because I knew it would cause this type of reaction from the usual suspects and I enjoy watching them make a fool of themselves over such a minor point in the desire to be right. A bit like spitting into a pond full of minnows. Works every time with some. Lame-O. What is the name on his birth certificate? Is it George or Jorge? Only one can be right. I have no idea what is on his birth certificate. I know from personal experience what he is called by his family members that are predominately Hispanic. Mainly from Peru and Columbia. Believe what you want but calling him a Cracker is about as far from the truth as you can get. The entire argument is moot. There is only one correct name and no-one here actually seems to know what it is.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,027 #663 March 29, 2012 QuoteUnless they were to refuse that care. Injury? I can photoshop too. Refusing medical examination and then using the injury as a defense seems dubious to me. Do we know that he refused medical attention?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #664 March 29, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteAnd how come falsely calling Zimmerman 'Jorges' is ok but correctly calling him 'George' is playing the race card? How is it false to call him Jorges?? Is it his name? No. Is George his name? Yes. OK 1 more time. MOST of the family calls him Jorge. Others call him George. Don't even bother. Some people have such a burning desire to be right they will literally split an atom just to prove it. I only started calling him Jorges because I knew it would cause this type of reaction from the usual suspects and I enjoy watching them make a fool of themselves over such a minor point in the desire to be right. A bit like spitting into a pond full of minnows. Works every time with some. Lame-O. What is the name on his birth certificate? Is it George or Jorge? Only one can be right. If you are able to read and comprehend what I just said you would realize I don't really care what his real name is. But please feel free to continue to provide the entertainment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rick 67 #665 March 29, 2012 I believe the first report I heard was that he refused and went later on his own.You can't be drunk all day if you don't start early! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites devildog 0 #666 March 29, 2012 People refuse to go to the ER all the time. He didn't refuse first aid, which is what was reported. As I said before: What you guys are suggesting is that the police arrived and in the span of seconds, all came to the conspiracy consensus that they should file false reports. "Hey! You just get here?" "Yeah, why?" "We're gonna set up that little black kid and tell the white guy to tell everyone he was punched in the face. You in?" "But I could lose my job. My career. Go to jail...but you're right... it's just too good to pass up! I'm in. Pass it along." yeah, that sounds much more plausible You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,027 #667 March 29, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteAnd how come falsely calling Zimmerman 'Jorges' is ok but correctly calling him 'George' is playing the race card? How is it false to call him Jorges?? Is it his name? No. Is George his name? Yes. OK 1 more time. MOST of the family calls him Jorge. Others call him George. Don't even bother. Some people have such a burning desire to be right they will literally split an atom just to prove it. I only started calling him Jorges because I knew it would cause this type of reaction from the usual suspects and I enjoy watching them make a fool of themselves over such a minor point in the desire to be right. A bit like spitting into a pond full of minnows. Works every time with some. Lame-O. What is the name on his birth certificate? Is it George or Jorge? Only one can be right. If you are able to read and comprehend what I just said you would realize I don't really care what his real name is. But please feel free to continue to provide the entertainment. Yes, you generally are casual with your facts. No surprise there. Nice of you to admit to the trolling.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,027 #668 March 29, 2012 Quote People refuse to go to the ER all the time. He didn't refuse first aid, which is what was reported. As I said before: What you guys are suggesting is that the police arrived and in the span of seconds, all came to the conspiracy consensus that they should file false reports. "Hey! You just get here?" "Yeah, why?" "We're gonna set up that little black kid and tell the white guy to tell everyone he was punched in the face. You in?" "But I could lose my job. My career. Go to jail...but you're right... it's just too good to pass up! I'm in. Pass it along." yeah, that sounds much more plausible I'm not suggesting anything. I find it highly suspicious that a guy with a *claimed* head injury is not taken to the ER by the police as SOP.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #669 March 29, 2012 He sought medical attention the next day which could have meant as soon as he finished giving the Police his statement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #670 March 29, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote And how come falsely calling Zimmerman 'Jorges' is ok but correctly calling him 'George' is playing the race card? How is it false to call him Jorges?? Is it his name? No. Is George his name? Yes. OK 1 more time. MOST of the family calls him Jorge. Others call him George. Don't even bother. Some people have such a burning desire to be right they will literally split an atom just to prove it. I only started calling him Jorges because I knew it would cause this type of reaction from the usual suspects and I enjoy watching them make a fool of themselves over such a minor point in the desire to be right. A bit like spitting into a pond full of minnows. Works every time with some. Lame-O. What is the name on his birth certificate? Is it George or Jorge? Only one can be right. If you are able to read and comprehend what I just said you would realize I don't really care what his real name is. But please feel free to continue to provide the entertainment. Yes, you generally are casual with your facts. No surprise there. Nice of you to admit to the trolling. Thank-you for playing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,027 #671 March 29, 2012 QuoteHe sought medical attention the next day which could have meant as soon as he finished giving the Police his statement. "Could-a" You mean *after* he could have self-inflicted some damage?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites normiss 800 #672 March 29, 2012 Isn't it awesome when some prefer to just be a dick as opposed to actually discussing the issue?!?!?! We're seeing a lot of that regarding this case. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #673 March 29, 2012 Quote Quote He sought medical attention the next day which could have meant as soon as he finished giving the Police his statement. "Could-a" You mean *after* he could have self-inflicted some damage? Yes, I'm sure he had someone smash his head against a sidewalk and break his nose the next day as directed by the Police to cover up this huge racist conspiracy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,027 #674 March 29, 2012 Quote Quote Quote He sought medical attention the next day which could have meant as soon as he finished giving the Police his statement. "Could-a" You mean *after* he could have self-inflicted some damage? Yes, I'm sure he had someone smash his head against a sidewalk and break his nose the next day as directed by the Police to cover up this huge racist conspiracy. Lots of things COULD have happened because the police work appears to have been very sloppy. I am not claiming to know what happened. I just think there are gaping holes in the "evidence".... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites davjohns 1 #675 March 29, 2012 Quote Quote People refuse to go to the ER all the time. He didn't refuse first aid, which is what was reported. As I said before: What you guys are suggesting is that the police arrived and in the span of seconds, all came to the conspiracy consensus that they should file false reports. "Hey! You just get here?" "Yeah, why?" "We're gonna set up that little black kid and tell the white guy to tell everyone he was punched in the face. You in?" "But I could lose my job. My career. Go to jail...but you're right... it's just too good to pass up! I'm in. Pass it along." yeah, that sounds much more plausible I'm not suggesting anything. I find it highly suspicious that a guy with a *claimed* head injury is not taken to the ER by the police as SOP. You can't force anyone to go to the hospital. When I was a cop, we had to talk people into going all the time. Sometimes, they refused and we knew full well there would be a call from them later when they realized they needed to go. Only once they pass out does the law allow you to take them against their stated desires. Once they are unconscious, the law of most states says that they would request assistance if able. I saw some posts on the 'stand your ground' law ealier in the thread. I don't think it applies here. If the story (as I understand it) is presented in court and believed, Mr. Z was trying to leave when assaulted. Once under his assailant, fleeing wasn't really an option. By the way...if I had only the testimony and facts that are available right now in the press to go on...I would only prosecute this case if I was an elected official trying to mollify the mob. There is no way to get to 'beyond a reasonable doubt' in this case that I can see. I've always told people, "If you have to shoot someone, shoot to kill. Unload the weapon and wait for the police. Tell them you are very upset and would like to talk to your attorney before making a statement." If there were only two witnesses and one is dead, it's hard to put together a criminal prosecution. Ben Franklin said, "Two may keep a secret if one is dead". It is unlikely we will ever know what truly happened that night. But unless Mr. Z is a complete idiot; his attorney is; or he ignores his attorney; conviction is highly unlikely.I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 Next Page 27 of 132 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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Gravitymaster 0 #656 March 29, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteAnd how come falsely calling Zimmerman 'Jorges' is ok but correctly calling him 'George' is playing the race card? How is it false to call him Jorges?? Is it his name? No. Is George his name? Yes. OK 1 more time. MOST of the family calls him Jorge. Others call him George. Don't even bother. Some people have such a burning desire to be right they will literally split an atom just to prove it. I only started calling him Jorges because I knew it would cause this type of reaction from the usual suspects and I enjoy watching them make a fool of themselves over such a minor point in the desire to be right. A bit like spitting into a pond full of minnows. Works every time with some. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #657 March 29, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteAnd how come falsely calling Zimmerman 'Jorges' is ok but correctly calling him 'George' is playing the race card? How is it false to call him Jorges?? Is it his name? No. Is George his name? Yes. OK 1 more time. MOST of the family calls him Jorge. Others call him George. Don't even bother. Some people have such a burning desire to be right they will literally split an atom just to prove it. I only started calling him Jorges because I knew it would cause this type of reaction from the usual suspects and I enjoy watching them make a fool of themselves over such a minor point in the desire to be right. A bit like spitting into a pond full of minnows. Works every time with some. Lame-O. What is the name on his birth certificate? Is it George or Jorge? Only one can be right.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 800 #658 March 29, 2012 Unless they were to refuse that care. Injury? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #659 March 29, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuote How many punches or head slams are required before some one can defend themselves Enough that the police would take the individual to an ER for a check up. So you would argue that the capacity for a situation to cause harm is irrelevant and that there is a threshold of harm that needs to be incurred before you can defend yourself from further harm. Should the same standard be applied to someone faced with an attacker with a weapon, say a knife or gun? If not please explain why different standards should be used."The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,027 #660 March 29, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote How many punches or head slams are required before some one can defend themselves Enough that the police would take the individual to an ER for a check up. So you would argue that the capacity for a situation to cause harm is irrelevant and that there is a threshold of harm that needs to be incurred before you can defend yourself from further harm. Should the same standard be applied to someone faced with an attacker with a weapon, say a knife or gun? If not please explain why different standards should be used. Nope. I am saying that if a suspect *claims* injury (especially a head injury as is the case here), then the duty of the police is to have that checked out by medical professionals. For liability reasons, if nothing else. That was certainly SOP when I was a sworn LEO some 40 years ago.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rick 67 #661 March 29, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteAnd how come falsely calling Zimmerman 'Jorges' is ok but correctly calling him 'George' is playing the race card? How is it false to call him Jorges?? Is it his name? No. Is George his name? Yes. OK 1 more time. MOST of the family calls him Jorge. Others call him George. Don't even bother. Some people have such a burning desire to be right they will literally split an atom just to prove it. I only started calling him Jorges because I knew it would cause this type of reaction from the usual suspects and I enjoy watching them make a fool of themselves over such a minor point in the desire to be right. A bit like spitting into a pond full of minnows. Works every time with some. Lame-O. What is the name on his birth certificate? Is it George or Jorge? Only one can be right. I have no idea what is on his birth certificate. I know from personal experience what he is called by his family members that are predominately Hispanic. Mainly from Peru and Columbia. Believe what you want but calling him a Cracker is about as far from the truth as you can get.You can't be drunk all day if you don't start early! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,027 #662 March 29, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteAnd how come falsely calling Zimmerman 'Jorges' is ok but correctly calling him 'George' is playing the race card? How is it false to call him Jorges?? Is it his name? No. Is George his name? Yes. OK 1 more time. MOST of the family calls him Jorge. Others call him George. Don't even bother. Some people have such a burning desire to be right they will literally split an atom just to prove it. I only started calling him Jorges because I knew it would cause this type of reaction from the usual suspects and I enjoy watching them make a fool of themselves over such a minor point in the desire to be right. A bit like spitting into a pond full of minnows. Works every time with some. Lame-O. What is the name on his birth certificate? Is it George or Jorge? Only one can be right. I have no idea what is on his birth certificate. I know from personal experience what he is called by his family members that are predominately Hispanic. Mainly from Peru and Columbia. Believe what you want but calling him a Cracker is about as far from the truth as you can get. The entire argument is moot. There is only one correct name and no-one here actually seems to know what it is.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,027 #663 March 29, 2012 QuoteUnless they were to refuse that care. Injury? I can photoshop too. Refusing medical examination and then using the injury as a defense seems dubious to me. Do we know that he refused medical attention?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #664 March 29, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteAnd how come falsely calling Zimmerman 'Jorges' is ok but correctly calling him 'George' is playing the race card? How is it false to call him Jorges?? Is it his name? No. Is George his name? Yes. OK 1 more time. MOST of the family calls him Jorge. Others call him George. Don't even bother. Some people have such a burning desire to be right they will literally split an atom just to prove it. I only started calling him Jorges because I knew it would cause this type of reaction from the usual suspects and I enjoy watching them make a fool of themselves over such a minor point in the desire to be right. A bit like spitting into a pond full of minnows. Works every time with some. Lame-O. What is the name on his birth certificate? Is it George or Jorge? Only one can be right. If you are able to read and comprehend what I just said you would realize I don't really care what his real name is. But please feel free to continue to provide the entertainment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rick 67 #665 March 29, 2012 I believe the first report I heard was that he refused and went later on his own.You can't be drunk all day if you don't start early! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites devildog 0 #666 March 29, 2012 People refuse to go to the ER all the time. He didn't refuse first aid, which is what was reported. As I said before: What you guys are suggesting is that the police arrived and in the span of seconds, all came to the conspiracy consensus that they should file false reports. "Hey! You just get here?" "Yeah, why?" "We're gonna set up that little black kid and tell the white guy to tell everyone he was punched in the face. You in?" "But I could lose my job. My career. Go to jail...but you're right... it's just too good to pass up! I'm in. Pass it along." yeah, that sounds much more plausible You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,027 #667 March 29, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteAnd how come falsely calling Zimmerman 'Jorges' is ok but correctly calling him 'George' is playing the race card? How is it false to call him Jorges?? Is it his name? No. Is George his name? Yes. OK 1 more time. MOST of the family calls him Jorge. Others call him George. Don't even bother. Some people have such a burning desire to be right they will literally split an atom just to prove it. I only started calling him Jorges because I knew it would cause this type of reaction from the usual suspects and I enjoy watching them make a fool of themselves over such a minor point in the desire to be right. A bit like spitting into a pond full of minnows. Works every time with some. Lame-O. What is the name on his birth certificate? Is it George or Jorge? Only one can be right. If you are able to read and comprehend what I just said you would realize I don't really care what his real name is. But please feel free to continue to provide the entertainment. Yes, you generally are casual with your facts. No surprise there. Nice of you to admit to the trolling.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,027 #668 March 29, 2012 Quote People refuse to go to the ER all the time. He didn't refuse first aid, which is what was reported. As I said before: What you guys are suggesting is that the police arrived and in the span of seconds, all came to the conspiracy consensus that they should file false reports. "Hey! You just get here?" "Yeah, why?" "We're gonna set up that little black kid and tell the white guy to tell everyone he was punched in the face. You in?" "But I could lose my job. My career. Go to jail...but you're right... it's just too good to pass up! I'm in. Pass it along." yeah, that sounds much more plausible I'm not suggesting anything. I find it highly suspicious that a guy with a *claimed* head injury is not taken to the ER by the police as SOP.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #669 March 29, 2012 He sought medical attention the next day which could have meant as soon as he finished giving the Police his statement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #670 March 29, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote And how come falsely calling Zimmerman 'Jorges' is ok but correctly calling him 'George' is playing the race card? How is it false to call him Jorges?? Is it his name? No. Is George his name? Yes. OK 1 more time. MOST of the family calls him Jorge. Others call him George. Don't even bother. Some people have such a burning desire to be right they will literally split an atom just to prove it. I only started calling him Jorges because I knew it would cause this type of reaction from the usual suspects and I enjoy watching them make a fool of themselves over such a minor point in the desire to be right. A bit like spitting into a pond full of minnows. Works every time with some. Lame-O. What is the name on his birth certificate? Is it George or Jorge? Only one can be right. If you are able to read and comprehend what I just said you would realize I don't really care what his real name is. But please feel free to continue to provide the entertainment. Yes, you generally are casual with your facts. No surprise there. Nice of you to admit to the trolling. Thank-you for playing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,027 #671 March 29, 2012 QuoteHe sought medical attention the next day which could have meant as soon as he finished giving the Police his statement. "Could-a" You mean *after* he could have self-inflicted some damage?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites normiss 800 #672 March 29, 2012 Isn't it awesome when some prefer to just be a dick as opposed to actually discussing the issue?!?!?! We're seeing a lot of that regarding this case. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #673 March 29, 2012 Quote Quote He sought medical attention the next day which could have meant as soon as he finished giving the Police his statement. "Could-a" You mean *after* he could have self-inflicted some damage? Yes, I'm sure he had someone smash his head against a sidewalk and break his nose the next day as directed by the Police to cover up this huge racist conspiracy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,027 #674 March 29, 2012 Quote Quote Quote He sought medical attention the next day which could have meant as soon as he finished giving the Police his statement. "Could-a" You mean *after* he could have self-inflicted some damage? Yes, I'm sure he had someone smash his head against a sidewalk and break his nose the next day as directed by the Police to cover up this huge racist conspiracy. Lots of things COULD have happened because the police work appears to have been very sloppy. I am not claiming to know what happened. I just think there are gaping holes in the "evidence".... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites davjohns 1 #675 March 29, 2012 Quote Quote People refuse to go to the ER all the time. He didn't refuse first aid, which is what was reported. As I said before: What you guys are suggesting is that the police arrived and in the span of seconds, all came to the conspiracy consensus that they should file false reports. "Hey! You just get here?" "Yeah, why?" "We're gonna set up that little black kid and tell the white guy to tell everyone he was punched in the face. You in?" "But I could lose my job. My career. Go to jail...but you're right... it's just too good to pass up! I'm in. Pass it along." yeah, that sounds much more plausible I'm not suggesting anything. I find it highly suspicious that a guy with a *claimed* head injury is not taken to the ER by the police as SOP. You can't force anyone to go to the hospital. When I was a cop, we had to talk people into going all the time. Sometimes, they refused and we knew full well there would be a call from them later when they realized they needed to go. Only once they pass out does the law allow you to take them against their stated desires. Once they are unconscious, the law of most states says that they would request assistance if able. I saw some posts on the 'stand your ground' law ealier in the thread. I don't think it applies here. If the story (as I understand it) is presented in court and believed, Mr. Z was trying to leave when assaulted. Once under his assailant, fleeing wasn't really an option. By the way...if I had only the testimony and facts that are available right now in the press to go on...I would only prosecute this case if I was an elected official trying to mollify the mob. There is no way to get to 'beyond a reasonable doubt' in this case that I can see. I've always told people, "If you have to shoot someone, shoot to kill. Unload the weapon and wait for the police. Tell them you are very upset and would like to talk to your attorney before making a statement." If there were only two witnesses and one is dead, it's hard to put together a criminal prosecution. Ben Franklin said, "Two may keep a secret if one is dead". It is unlikely we will ever know what truly happened that night. But unless Mr. Z is a complete idiot; his attorney is; or he ignores his attorney; conviction is highly unlikely.I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 Next Page 27 of 132 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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kallend 2,027 #660 March 29, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote How many punches or head slams are required before some one can defend themselves Enough that the police would take the individual to an ER for a check up. So you would argue that the capacity for a situation to cause harm is irrelevant and that there is a threshold of harm that needs to be incurred before you can defend yourself from further harm. Should the same standard be applied to someone faced with an attacker with a weapon, say a knife or gun? If not please explain why different standards should be used. Nope. I am saying that if a suspect *claims* injury (especially a head injury as is the case here), then the duty of the police is to have that checked out by medical professionals. For liability reasons, if nothing else. That was certainly SOP when I was a sworn LEO some 40 years ago.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rick 67 #661 March 29, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteAnd how come falsely calling Zimmerman 'Jorges' is ok but correctly calling him 'George' is playing the race card? How is it false to call him Jorges?? Is it his name? No. Is George his name? Yes. OK 1 more time. MOST of the family calls him Jorge. Others call him George. Don't even bother. Some people have such a burning desire to be right they will literally split an atom just to prove it. I only started calling him Jorges because I knew it would cause this type of reaction from the usual suspects and I enjoy watching them make a fool of themselves over such a minor point in the desire to be right. A bit like spitting into a pond full of minnows. Works every time with some. Lame-O. What is the name on his birth certificate? Is it George or Jorge? Only one can be right. I have no idea what is on his birth certificate. I know from personal experience what he is called by his family members that are predominately Hispanic. Mainly from Peru and Columbia. Believe what you want but calling him a Cracker is about as far from the truth as you can get.You can't be drunk all day if you don't start early! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,027 #662 March 29, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteAnd how come falsely calling Zimmerman 'Jorges' is ok but correctly calling him 'George' is playing the race card? How is it false to call him Jorges?? Is it his name? No. Is George his name? Yes. OK 1 more time. MOST of the family calls him Jorge. Others call him George. Don't even bother. Some people have such a burning desire to be right they will literally split an atom just to prove it. I only started calling him Jorges because I knew it would cause this type of reaction from the usual suspects and I enjoy watching them make a fool of themselves over such a minor point in the desire to be right. A bit like spitting into a pond full of minnows. Works every time with some. Lame-O. What is the name on his birth certificate? Is it George or Jorge? Only one can be right. I have no idea what is on his birth certificate. I know from personal experience what he is called by his family members that are predominately Hispanic. Mainly from Peru and Columbia. Believe what you want but calling him a Cracker is about as far from the truth as you can get. The entire argument is moot. There is only one correct name and no-one here actually seems to know what it is.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,027 #663 March 29, 2012 QuoteUnless they were to refuse that care. Injury? I can photoshop too. Refusing medical examination and then using the injury as a defense seems dubious to me. Do we know that he refused medical attention?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #664 March 29, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteAnd how come falsely calling Zimmerman 'Jorges' is ok but correctly calling him 'George' is playing the race card? How is it false to call him Jorges?? Is it his name? No. Is George his name? Yes. OK 1 more time. MOST of the family calls him Jorge. Others call him George. Don't even bother. Some people have such a burning desire to be right they will literally split an atom just to prove it. I only started calling him Jorges because I knew it would cause this type of reaction from the usual suspects and I enjoy watching them make a fool of themselves over such a minor point in the desire to be right. A bit like spitting into a pond full of minnows. Works every time with some. Lame-O. What is the name on his birth certificate? Is it George or Jorge? Only one can be right. If you are able to read and comprehend what I just said you would realize I don't really care what his real name is. But please feel free to continue to provide the entertainment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rick 67 #665 March 29, 2012 I believe the first report I heard was that he refused and went later on his own.You can't be drunk all day if you don't start early! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites devildog 0 #666 March 29, 2012 People refuse to go to the ER all the time. He didn't refuse first aid, which is what was reported. As I said before: What you guys are suggesting is that the police arrived and in the span of seconds, all came to the conspiracy consensus that they should file false reports. "Hey! You just get here?" "Yeah, why?" "We're gonna set up that little black kid and tell the white guy to tell everyone he was punched in the face. You in?" "But I could lose my job. My career. Go to jail...but you're right... it's just too good to pass up! I'm in. Pass it along." yeah, that sounds much more plausible You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,027 #667 March 29, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteAnd how come falsely calling Zimmerman 'Jorges' is ok but correctly calling him 'George' is playing the race card? How is it false to call him Jorges?? Is it his name? No. Is George his name? Yes. OK 1 more time. MOST of the family calls him Jorge. Others call him George. Don't even bother. Some people have such a burning desire to be right they will literally split an atom just to prove it. I only started calling him Jorges because I knew it would cause this type of reaction from the usual suspects and I enjoy watching them make a fool of themselves over such a minor point in the desire to be right. A bit like spitting into a pond full of minnows. Works every time with some. Lame-O. What is the name on his birth certificate? Is it George or Jorge? Only one can be right. If you are able to read and comprehend what I just said you would realize I don't really care what his real name is. But please feel free to continue to provide the entertainment. Yes, you generally are casual with your facts. No surprise there. Nice of you to admit to the trolling.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,027 #668 March 29, 2012 Quote People refuse to go to the ER all the time. He didn't refuse first aid, which is what was reported. As I said before: What you guys are suggesting is that the police arrived and in the span of seconds, all came to the conspiracy consensus that they should file false reports. "Hey! You just get here?" "Yeah, why?" "We're gonna set up that little black kid and tell the white guy to tell everyone he was punched in the face. You in?" "But I could lose my job. My career. Go to jail...but you're right... it's just too good to pass up! I'm in. Pass it along." yeah, that sounds much more plausible I'm not suggesting anything. I find it highly suspicious that a guy with a *claimed* head injury is not taken to the ER by the police as SOP.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #669 March 29, 2012 He sought medical attention the next day which could have meant as soon as he finished giving the Police his statement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #670 March 29, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote And how come falsely calling Zimmerman 'Jorges' is ok but correctly calling him 'George' is playing the race card? How is it false to call him Jorges?? Is it his name? No. Is George his name? Yes. OK 1 more time. MOST of the family calls him Jorge. Others call him George. Don't even bother. Some people have such a burning desire to be right they will literally split an atom just to prove it. I only started calling him Jorges because I knew it would cause this type of reaction from the usual suspects and I enjoy watching them make a fool of themselves over such a minor point in the desire to be right. A bit like spitting into a pond full of minnows. Works every time with some. Lame-O. What is the name on his birth certificate? Is it George or Jorge? Only one can be right. If you are able to read and comprehend what I just said you would realize I don't really care what his real name is. But please feel free to continue to provide the entertainment. Yes, you generally are casual with your facts. No surprise there. Nice of you to admit to the trolling. Thank-you for playing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,027 #671 March 29, 2012 QuoteHe sought medical attention the next day which could have meant as soon as he finished giving the Police his statement. "Could-a" You mean *after* he could have self-inflicted some damage?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites normiss 800 #672 March 29, 2012 Isn't it awesome when some prefer to just be a dick as opposed to actually discussing the issue?!?!?! We're seeing a lot of that regarding this case. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #673 March 29, 2012 Quote Quote He sought medical attention the next day which could have meant as soon as he finished giving the Police his statement. "Could-a" You mean *after* he could have self-inflicted some damage? Yes, I'm sure he had someone smash his head against a sidewalk and break his nose the next day as directed by the Police to cover up this huge racist conspiracy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,027 #674 March 29, 2012 Quote Quote Quote He sought medical attention the next day which could have meant as soon as he finished giving the Police his statement. "Could-a" You mean *after* he could have self-inflicted some damage? Yes, I'm sure he had someone smash his head against a sidewalk and break his nose the next day as directed by the Police to cover up this huge racist conspiracy. Lots of things COULD have happened because the police work appears to have been very sloppy. I am not claiming to know what happened. I just think there are gaping holes in the "evidence".... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites davjohns 1 #675 March 29, 2012 Quote Quote People refuse to go to the ER all the time. He didn't refuse first aid, which is what was reported. As I said before: What you guys are suggesting is that the police arrived and in the span of seconds, all came to the conspiracy consensus that they should file false reports. "Hey! You just get here?" "Yeah, why?" "We're gonna set up that little black kid and tell the white guy to tell everyone he was punched in the face. You in?" "But I could lose my job. My career. Go to jail...but you're right... it's just too good to pass up! I'm in. Pass it along." yeah, that sounds much more plausible I'm not suggesting anything. I find it highly suspicious that a guy with a *claimed* head injury is not taken to the ER by the police as SOP. You can't force anyone to go to the hospital. When I was a cop, we had to talk people into going all the time. Sometimes, they refused and we knew full well there would be a call from them later when they realized they needed to go. Only once they pass out does the law allow you to take them against their stated desires. Once they are unconscious, the law of most states says that they would request assistance if able. I saw some posts on the 'stand your ground' law ealier in the thread. I don't think it applies here. If the story (as I understand it) is presented in court and believed, Mr. Z was trying to leave when assaulted. Once under his assailant, fleeing wasn't really an option. By the way...if I had only the testimony and facts that are available right now in the press to go on...I would only prosecute this case if I was an elected official trying to mollify the mob. There is no way to get to 'beyond a reasonable doubt' in this case that I can see. I've always told people, "If you have to shoot someone, shoot to kill. Unload the weapon and wait for the police. Tell them you are very upset and would like to talk to your attorney before making a statement." If there were only two witnesses and one is dead, it's hard to put together a criminal prosecution. Ben Franklin said, "Two may keep a secret if one is dead". It is unlikely we will ever know what truly happened that night. But unless Mr. Z is a complete idiot; his attorney is; or he ignores his attorney; conviction is highly unlikely.I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 Next Page 27 of 132 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. 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Rick 67 #661 March 29, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteAnd how come falsely calling Zimmerman 'Jorges' is ok but correctly calling him 'George' is playing the race card? How is it false to call him Jorges?? Is it his name? No. Is George his name? Yes. OK 1 more time. MOST of the family calls him Jorge. Others call him George. Don't even bother. Some people have such a burning desire to be right they will literally split an atom just to prove it. I only started calling him Jorges because I knew it would cause this type of reaction from the usual suspects and I enjoy watching them make a fool of themselves over such a minor point in the desire to be right. A bit like spitting into a pond full of minnows. Works every time with some. Lame-O. What is the name on his birth certificate? Is it George or Jorge? Only one can be right. I have no idea what is on his birth certificate. I know from personal experience what he is called by his family members that are predominately Hispanic. Mainly from Peru and Columbia. Believe what you want but calling him a Cracker is about as far from the truth as you can get.You can't be drunk all day if you don't start early! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #662 March 29, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteAnd how come falsely calling Zimmerman 'Jorges' is ok but correctly calling him 'George' is playing the race card? How is it false to call him Jorges?? Is it his name? No. Is George his name? Yes. OK 1 more time. MOST of the family calls him Jorge. Others call him George. Don't even bother. Some people have such a burning desire to be right they will literally split an atom just to prove it. I only started calling him Jorges because I knew it would cause this type of reaction from the usual suspects and I enjoy watching them make a fool of themselves over such a minor point in the desire to be right. A bit like spitting into a pond full of minnows. Works every time with some. Lame-O. What is the name on his birth certificate? Is it George or Jorge? Only one can be right. I have no idea what is on his birth certificate. I know from personal experience what he is called by his family members that are predominately Hispanic. Mainly from Peru and Columbia. Believe what you want but calling him a Cracker is about as far from the truth as you can get. The entire argument is moot. There is only one correct name and no-one here actually seems to know what it is.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #663 March 29, 2012 QuoteUnless they were to refuse that care. Injury? I can photoshop too. Refusing medical examination and then using the injury as a defense seems dubious to me. Do we know that he refused medical attention?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #664 March 29, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteAnd how come falsely calling Zimmerman 'Jorges' is ok but correctly calling him 'George' is playing the race card? How is it false to call him Jorges?? Is it his name? No. Is George his name? Yes. OK 1 more time. MOST of the family calls him Jorge. Others call him George. Don't even bother. Some people have such a burning desire to be right they will literally split an atom just to prove it. I only started calling him Jorges because I knew it would cause this type of reaction from the usual suspects and I enjoy watching them make a fool of themselves over such a minor point in the desire to be right. A bit like spitting into a pond full of minnows. Works every time with some. Lame-O. What is the name on his birth certificate? Is it George or Jorge? Only one can be right. If you are able to read and comprehend what I just said you would realize I don't really care what his real name is. But please feel free to continue to provide the entertainment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick 67 #665 March 29, 2012 I believe the first report I heard was that he refused and went later on his own.You can't be drunk all day if you don't start early! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
devildog 0 #666 March 29, 2012 People refuse to go to the ER all the time. He didn't refuse first aid, which is what was reported. As I said before: What you guys are suggesting is that the police arrived and in the span of seconds, all came to the conspiracy consensus that they should file false reports. "Hey! You just get here?" "Yeah, why?" "We're gonna set up that little black kid and tell the white guy to tell everyone he was punched in the face. You in?" "But I could lose my job. My career. Go to jail...but you're right... it's just too good to pass up! I'm in. Pass it along." yeah, that sounds much more plausible You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #667 March 29, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteAnd how come falsely calling Zimmerman 'Jorges' is ok but correctly calling him 'George' is playing the race card? How is it false to call him Jorges?? Is it his name? No. Is George his name? Yes. OK 1 more time. MOST of the family calls him Jorge. Others call him George. Don't even bother. Some people have such a burning desire to be right they will literally split an atom just to prove it. I only started calling him Jorges because I knew it would cause this type of reaction from the usual suspects and I enjoy watching them make a fool of themselves over such a minor point in the desire to be right. A bit like spitting into a pond full of minnows. Works every time with some. Lame-O. What is the name on his birth certificate? Is it George or Jorge? Only one can be right. If you are able to read and comprehend what I just said you would realize I don't really care what his real name is. But please feel free to continue to provide the entertainment. Yes, you generally are casual with your facts. No surprise there. Nice of you to admit to the trolling.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #668 March 29, 2012 Quote People refuse to go to the ER all the time. He didn't refuse first aid, which is what was reported. As I said before: What you guys are suggesting is that the police arrived and in the span of seconds, all came to the conspiracy consensus that they should file false reports. "Hey! You just get here?" "Yeah, why?" "We're gonna set up that little black kid and tell the white guy to tell everyone he was punched in the face. You in?" "But I could lose my job. My career. Go to jail...but you're right... it's just too good to pass up! I'm in. Pass it along." yeah, that sounds much more plausible I'm not suggesting anything. I find it highly suspicious that a guy with a *claimed* head injury is not taken to the ER by the police as SOP.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #669 March 29, 2012 He sought medical attention the next day which could have meant as soon as he finished giving the Police his statement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #670 March 29, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote And how come falsely calling Zimmerman 'Jorges' is ok but correctly calling him 'George' is playing the race card? How is it false to call him Jorges?? Is it his name? No. Is George his name? Yes. OK 1 more time. MOST of the family calls him Jorge. Others call him George. Don't even bother. Some people have such a burning desire to be right they will literally split an atom just to prove it. I only started calling him Jorges because I knew it would cause this type of reaction from the usual suspects and I enjoy watching them make a fool of themselves over such a minor point in the desire to be right. A bit like spitting into a pond full of minnows. Works every time with some. Lame-O. What is the name on his birth certificate? Is it George or Jorge? Only one can be right. If you are able to read and comprehend what I just said you would realize I don't really care what his real name is. But please feel free to continue to provide the entertainment. Yes, you generally are casual with your facts. No surprise there. Nice of you to admit to the trolling. Thank-you for playing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #671 March 29, 2012 QuoteHe sought medical attention the next day which could have meant as soon as he finished giving the Police his statement. "Could-a" You mean *after* he could have self-inflicted some damage?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 800 #672 March 29, 2012 Isn't it awesome when some prefer to just be a dick as opposed to actually discussing the issue?!?!?! We're seeing a lot of that regarding this case. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #673 March 29, 2012 Quote Quote He sought medical attention the next day which could have meant as soon as he finished giving the Police his statement. "Could-a" You mean *after* he could have self-inflicted some damage? Yes, I'm sure he had someone smash his head against a sidewalk and break his nose the next day as directed by the Police to cover up this huge racist conspiracy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #674 March 29, 2012 Quote Quote Quote He sought medical attention the next day which could have meant as soon as he finished giving the Police his statement. "Could-a" You mean *after* he could have self-inflicted some damage? Yes, I'm sure he had someone smash his head against a sidewalk and break his nose the next day as directed by the Police to cover up this huge racist conspiracy. Lots of things COULD have happened because the police work appears to have been very sloppy. I am not claiming to know what happened. I just think there are gaping holes in the "evidence".... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davjohns 1 #675 March 29, 2012 Quote Quote People refuse to go to the ER all the time. He didn't refuse first aid, which is what was reported. As I said before: What you guys are suggesting is that the police arrived and in the span of seconds, all came to the conspiracy consensus that they should file false reports. "Hey! You just get here?" "Yeah, why?" "We're gonna set up that little black kid and tell the white guy to tell everyone he was punched in the face. You in?" "But I could lose my job. My career. Go to jail...but you're right... it's just too good to pass up! I'm in. Pass it along." yeah, that sounds much more plausible I'm not suggesting anything. I find it highly suspicious that a guy with a *claimed* head injury is not taken to the ER by the police as SOP. You can't force anyone to go to the hospital. When I was a cop, we had to talk people into going all the time. Sometimes, they refused and we knew full well there would be a call from them later when they realized they needed to go. Only once they pass out does the law allow you to take them against their stated desires. Once they are unconscious, the law of most states says that they would request assistance if able. I saw some posts on the 'stand your ground' law ealier in the thread. I don't think it applies here. If the story (as I understand it) is presented in court and believed, Mr. Z was trying to leave when assaulted. Once under his assailant, fleeing wasn't really an option. By the way...if I had only the testimony and facts that are available right now in the press to go on...I would only prosecute this case if I was an elected official trying to mollify the mob. There is no way to get to 'beyond a reasonable doubt' in this case that I can see. I've always told people, "If you have to shoot someone, shoot to kill. Unload the weapon and wait for the police. Tell them you are very upset and would like to talk to your attorney before making a statement." If there were only two witnesses and one is dead, it's hard to put together a criminal prosecution. Ben Franklin said, "Two may keep a secret if one is dead". It is unlikely we will ever know what truly happened that night. But unless Mr. Z is a complete idiot; his attorney is; or he ignores his attorney; conviction is highly unlikely.I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
