kelpdiver 2 #751 March 29, 2012 QuoteQuote[ Apparently Martin was 140 pounds and Zimmerman is 250 pounds. I'm sure I'd pick a fight with someone nearly twice my weight. Sure. What are the actual weights and heights for either of these individuals. I have heard a bunch of different heights and weights for both. The police report lists TM as 6'0", 160. Family says it might be as much as 6'2". Believe the weight is an estimate. Teenage boys change quickly - 140 was probably a year or two before. If 6' is correct, 160 is still pretty lean - I ran distance in HS at 6', 158. So I think that's a reasonable low end guess. Police report lists GZ at 5'9", weight not listed. The 250 apparently comes from that police incident 6 years back, supposedly he lost considerable weight since. A friend puts him at 5'8", 170, though I wonder how accurate to treat that. Unless I was doing extended physical training with a bud, I'm not going to know his weight that accurately. (that's a woman thing) But it seems probable he's down to 200 or less. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #752 March 29, 2012 QuoteQuoteevidence is of the groceries The skittles and Arizona iced tea are pretty widely reported. Reported by whom? Eyewitnesses? Police reports? Or the family? QuoteI will now let you argue how those are not groceries. Strawman argument, I never claimed they weren't groceries. They seem to be VERY important to kallend, though, since he's mentioned their existence twice now in an attempt to portray Zimmerman as a cold-blooded killer.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wlsc 0 #753 March 29, 2012 Quote >When it was pointed out that GZ was actually half Hispanic... You discounted that. Yes. Race does not matter here, and neither excuses nor provides justification for any crimes. The ONLY reason it might matter is if the person in question expressed a desire to harm someone of the other race, because it speaks to motive. Race does matter here. The contention is that IF Trayvon had been white then his killer would have been arrested and charged. As he was Black then he didn't 'count' as much within the legal system. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #754 March 29, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Apparently Martin was 140 pounds and Zimmerman is 250 pounds. I'm sure I'd pick a fight with someone nearly twice my weight. Sure. "apparently" is the word to use here. Did you use it because you know these figures are in dispute? GZ has cited weights as low as 170, TM up to 160. One thing not in dispute is that TM was at least 3 inches taller than GZ. As I wrote several hundred posts ago, about the only FACT that is not in dispute is that TV, armed with groceries, was shot dead by GZ. yet you seem to have no trouble drawing conclusions based on disputed facts?! I haven't drawn any conclusions except that the Sanford PD did a poor job.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #755 March 29, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Apparently Martin was 140 pounds and Zimmerman is 250 pounds. I'm sure I'd pick a fight with someone nearly twice my weight. Sure. "apparently" is the word to use here. Did you use it because you know these figures are in dispute? GZ has cited weights as low as 170, TM up to 160. One thing not in dispute is that TM was at least 3 inches taller than GZ. As I wrote several hundred posts ago, about the only FACT that is not in dispute is that TV, armed with groceries, was shot dead by GZ. ..... I'm asking where the evidence is of the groceries, since you've stated it as FACT at least twice. Got crime scene pictures? Police report? Are you DISPUTING that TM was carrying groceries? READING, Mike, READING. And comprehension. You seem to be lacking both this week.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,991 #756 March 29, 2012 >The contention is that IF Trayvon had been white then his killer would have been >arrested and charged. Yes, some contend that. Some contend that since Zimmerman was part hispanic he's just s much a "minority" as Martin and thus should have been treated "equally" poorly by the police. All such arguments are stupid, and are generally posed by people trying to turn this into a race issue as opposed to an issue of an overzealous neighborhood watch guy and/or a kid who reacted angrily to being chased down. Race does not matter in the case - unless it can be demonstrated that it was a reason used by an assailant to initiate the attack. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #757 March 29, 2012 QuoteQuoteI'm asking where the evidence is of the groceries, since you've stated it as FACT at least twice. Got crime scene pictures? Police report? Are you DISPUTING that TM was carrying groceries? What part of "where's the evidence" did you not understand, John? QuoteREADING, Mike, READING. And comprehension. You seem to be lacking both this week. Funny you mention READING and comprehension, given your repeated question above.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #758 March 29, 2012 Quote>The contention is that IF Trayvon had been white then his killer would have been >arrested and charged. Yes, some contend that. Some contend that since Zimmerman was part hispanic he's just s much a "minority" as Martin and thus should have been treated "equally" poorly by the police. All such arguments are stupid, and are generally posed by people trying to turn this into a race issue as opposed to an issue of an overzealous neighborhood watch guy and/or a kid who reacted angrily to being chased down. Race does not matter in the case - unless it can be demonstrated that it was a reason used by an assailant to initiate the attack. And some contend that due to several year old incidents where charges were dropped/set aside that Zimmerman had violence issues and imply he confronted Martin looking for a fight.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,027 #759 March 29, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteI'm asking where the evidence is of the groceries, since you've stated it as FACT at least twice. Got crime scene pictures? Police report? Are you DISPUTING that TM was carrying groceries? What part of "where's the evidence" did you not understand, John? Quote Irrelevant. Where is the dispute? Are you disputing it.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wlsc 0 #760 March 29, 2012 Quote>The contention is that IF Trayvon had been white then his killer would have been >arrested and charged. Yes, some contend that. Some contend that since Zimmerman was part hispanic he's just s much a "minority" as Martin and thus should have been treated "equally" poorly by the police. All such arguments are stupid, and are generally posed by people trying to turn this into a race issue as opposed to an issue of an overzealous neighborhood watch guy and/or a kid who reacted angrily to being chased down. Race does not matter in the case - unless it can be demonstrated that it was a reason used by an assailant to initiate the attack. Race DOES matter here. To claim otherwise is to turn a blind Eye. IF Trayvon had been white then his killer would have been arrested and charged. As he was black then this could happen... ...Why was Trayvon Martin’s body tagged as a John Doe? The Washington Post’s Jonathan Capehart notes a police report “that was completed at 3:07 a.m. on Feb. 27 lists Trayvon’s full name, city of birth, address and phone number.” But yet, Trayvon’s body was reportedly “tagged as a John Doe” and his father wasn’t informed of his death until after he filed a missing person report later on the 27th. Why weren’t Trayvon Martin’s parents contacted immediately after the police confirmed his identity? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #761 March 29, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI'm asking where the evidence is of the groceries, since you've stated it as FACT at least twice. Got crime scene pictures? Police report? Are you DISPUTING that TM was carrying groceries? What part of "where's the evidence" did you not understand, John? Quote Irrelevant. Where is the dispute? Are you disputing it. You've stated it as fact...FACT, twice now so evidently YOU think it is. What is the bearing on the case? Why is it relevant to the discussion?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,991 #762 March 29, 2012 >And some contend that due to several year old incidents where charges were > dropped/set aside that Zimmerman had violence issues and imply he confronted >Martin looking for a fight. It does make it clear that he had violence issues. A court restraining order after a domestic violence incident is proof of that, and an arrest for violence against a police officer is suggestive of that. It does not, of course, prove that he attacked Martin. It merely proves that he has been violent to others in the past. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,991 #763 March 29, 2012 >IF Trayvon had been white then his killer would have been arrested and charged. Would he have been more or less guilty if Martin had been white? Or if Zimmerman had been black? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #764 March 29, 2012 Quote>And some contend that due to several year old incidents where charges were > dropped/set aside that Zimmerman had violence issues and imply he confronted >Martin looking for a fight. It does make it clear that he had violence issues. A court restraining order after a domestic violence incident is proof of that, and an arrest for violence against a police officer is suggestive of that. It does not, of course, prove that he attacked Martin. It merely proves that he has been violent to others in the past. Yup, and you had to bring it up over and over...as well as the (paraphrased) remark about 'he's not wearing orange because he likes it' when it turns out it was an orange polo shirt and not prisoner coveralls.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wlsc 0 #765 March 29, 2012 Quote>IF Trayvon had been white then his killer would have been arrested and charged. Would he have been more or less guilty if Martin had been white? Or if Zimmerman had been black? Same guilt. Different legal outcome depending upon the Race Variable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DougH 270 #766 March 29, 2012 Quote>IF Trayvon had been white then his killer would have been arrested and charged. Would he have been more or less guilty if Martin had been white? Or if Zimmerman had been black? What about two blacks with different skin tones. Does the blackest one fry if he was the one left standing? What about two whites, but one that stayed in the tanning booth to long ala Kramer in the Seinfeld episode where he was meeting his black girlfriend's father. "I thought you said you were bringing a white boy home! I don't see a white boy! I see a damn fool!""The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Channman 2 #767 March 29, 2012 Just another quick update: On March 24 a “KillZimmerman” Twitter account began publishing calls for violence against George Zimmerman, the self-appointed neighborhood watch captain who shot and killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin on Feb. 26. Five days later, the account is still on its crusade to avenge Martin. The sender’s initial tweets made his or her aims clear: “No Justice No Peace!!!!!!!!!! #KILLZIMMERMAN #KILLZIMMERMAN #KILLZIMMERMAN,” they read. The account’s image is a photo of gun-sight crosshairs superimposed on Zimmerman’s picture. “This Page Is 4 Da Ppl Who Believe Zimmerman Should Be Shot Dead In The Street,” the Twitter account’s description reads, “The Same Way TRAYVON Was. No Justice No Peace.” In response to one tweeted complaint on March 24 that the account “is advocating murder,” the account holder replied: “we should just all get up and #killzimmerman ourselves; fuck the system. #AintNoJustice” “I Think They Should Shoot Zimmerman Dead In His Head Jail Ain’t Enough,” read another message the same day. “Don’t get me wrong I would be happy if he go to jail,” another tweet read, “but I rather see a bitch shoot him in his fuckin face.” On March 27, the account tweeted: “Leave All The Violence Shit To Us Coz If They Don’t Put Em In Jail We Gone Get His Ass.” “We don’t comment on specific users or the status of accounts for privacy reasons,” Twitter spokesperson Rachael Horwitz told The Daily Caller. She did not indicate whether Twitter intends to take action to suspend the account, but provided TheDC with a Web address where users can report “an abusive user.” It’s clear from the account’s tweets on Wednesday that some Twitter users are taking advantage of that option. “All these racist motherfuckers tryin to get me deleted like I did something wrong,” one tweet read. “Bitch zimmerman killed #TRAYVON he the one wrong.” Calls for violence directed at Trayvon Martin’s killer are not restricted to Twitter alone. The New Black Panther Party has issued a “dead or alive” bounty for Zimmerman’s capture. Its value was originally $10,000. On Wednesday that amount was increased dramatically — to $1 million. On Facebook, groups named “I want George Zimmerman dead,” “Kill George Zimmerman bitch azz,” “Kill Zimmerman” and “Kill George Zimmerman” have appeared, some with approximately 100 members. The “Kill Zimmerman” Twitter profile had 162 followers at 1 p.m. EDT Thursday, a number likely to increase because The Drudge Report posted a link to the page. George Zimmerman remains in hiding from vigilante threats. Absent a fringe element calling for retaliatory violence, the vast majority of Martin’s supporters seek only Zimmerman’s arrest and prosecution Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/29/killzimmerman-twitter-advocates-violence-against-martins-killer/#ixzz1qXT6KmMM Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/29/killzimmerman-twitter-advocates-violence-against-martins-killer/#ixzz1qXSuzvVF Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wlsc 0 #768 March 29, 2012 Here's a question for you... ...Why did the prosecutor ignore the recommendations of the lead homicide investigator? ABC News reported that Chris Serino, the lead homicide investigator on the Trayvon Martin case, recommended that Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter on the night of the shooting. Serino filed an affidavit that night stating “he was unconvinced Zimmerman’s version of events.” As the lead homicide investigator, Serino was: 1. In the best position to evaluate Zimmerman’s credibility, and 2. Intimately familiar with Florida law. Why was he ignored? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,991 #769 March 29, 2012 >Same guilt. Agreed - and THAT is the bottom line. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wlsc 0 #770 March 29, 2012 Quote>Same guilt. Agreed - and THAT is the bottom line. No. The bottom line is that this case is the tip of a racist iceberg as regards the legal and prison system for all BLACKS. Those who turn a Blind eye or Deny this reality only reinforce it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,991 #771 March 29, 2012 >The bottom line is that this case is the tip of a racist iceberg as regards the legal and >prison system for all BLACKS. Those who turn a Blind eye or Deny this reality only >reinforce it. Yes, I understand that that is your agenda - you've stated it several times. Again, that does not have anything to do with whether or not Zimmerman is guilty of a crime. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #772 March 29, 2012 Yep, if this had been a militia of whites, they would already be in jail for making terrorist threats. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #773 March 29, 2012 QuoteYep, if this had been a militia of whites, they would already be in jail for making terrorist threats. Yep - there's been a conspicuous *lack* of action by the DOJ regarding the kid set on fire in KC, as well.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wlsc 0 #774 March 29, 2012 Quote>The bottom line is that this case is the tip of a racist iceberg as regards the legal and >prison system for all BLACKS. Those who turn a Blind eye or Deny this reality only >reinforce it. Yes, I understand that that is your agenda - you've stated it several times. Again, that does not have anything to do with whether or not Zimmerman is guilty of a crime. Your agenda is to deny the obvious. I don't deny that Zimmerman is guilty of a crime. The point is he wouldn't have shot if Trayvon had been white. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #775 March 29, 2012 QuoteQuoteYep, if this had been a militia of whites, they would already be in jail for making terrorist threats. Yep - there's been a conspicuous *lack* of action by the DOJ regarding the kid set on fire in KC, as well. Something stinks about this whole story. this shooting happened over a month ago yet it took nearly 3 weeks to become a national story. It's almost as if the press doesn't want it to go away. I would not be surprised if Jorges is arrested and put on trial as we get closer to the election. 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billvon 2,991 #756 March 29, 2012 >The contention is that IF Trayvon had been white then his killer would have been >arrested and charged. Yes, some contend that. Some contend that since Zimmerman was part hispanic he's just s much a "minority" as Martin and thus should have been treated "equally" poorly by the police. All such arguments are stupid, and are generally posed by people trying to turn this into a race issue as opposed to an issue of an overzealous neighborhood watch guy and/or a kid who reacted angrily to being chased down. Race does not matter in the case - unless it can be demonstrated that it was a reason used by an assailant to initiate the attack. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #757 March 29, 2012 QuoteQuoteI'm asking where the evidence is of the groceries, since you've stated it as FACT at least twice. Got crime scene pictures? Police report? Are you DISPUTING that TM was carrying groceries? What part of "where's the evidence" did you not understand, John? QuoteREADING, Mike, READING. And comprehension. You seem to be lacking both this week. Funny you mention READING and comprehension, given your repeated question above.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #758 March 29, 2012 Quote>The contention is that IF Trayvon had been white then his killer would have been >arrested and charged. Yes, some contend that. Some contend that since Zimmerman was part hispanic he's just s much a "minority" as Martin and thus should have been treated "equally" poorly by the police. All such arguments are stupid, and are generally posed by people trying to turn this into a race issue as opposed to an issue of an overzealous neighborhood watch guy and/or a kid who reacted angrily to being chased down. Race does not matter in the case - unless it can be demonstrated that it was a reason used by an assailant to initiate the attack. And some contend that due to several year old incidents where charges were dropped/set aside that Zimmerman had violence issues and imply he confronted Martin looking for a fight.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #759 March 29, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteI'm asking where the evidence is of the groceries, since you've stated it as FACT at least twice. Got crime scene pictures? Police report? Are you DISPUTING that TM was carrying groceries? What part of "where's the evidence" did you not understand, John? Quote Irrelevant. Where is the dispute? Are you disputing it.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wlsc 0 #760 March 29, 2012 Quote>The contention is that IF Trayvon had been white then his killer would have been >arrested and charged. Yes, some contend that. Some contend that since Zimmerman was part hispanic he's just s much a "minority" as Martin and thus should have been treated "equally" poorly by the police. All such arguments are stupid, and are generally posed by people trying to turn this into a race issue as opposed to an issue of an overzealous neighborhood watch guy and/or a kid who reacted angrily to being chased down. Race does not matter in the case - unless it can be demonstrated that it was a reason used by an assailant to initiate the attack. Race DOES matter here. To claim otherwise is to turn a blind Eye. IF Trayvon had been white then his killer would have been arrested and charged. As he was black then this could happen... ...Why was Trayvon Martin’s body tagged as a John Doe? The Washington Post’s Jonathan Capehart notes a police report “that was completed at 3:07 a.m. on Feb. 27 lists Trayvon’s full name, city of birth, address and phone number.” But yet, Trayvon’s body was reportedly “tagged as a John Doe” and his father wasn’t informed of his death until after he filed a missing person report later on the 27th. Why weren’t Trayvon Martin’s parents contacted immediately after the police confirmed his identity? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #761 March 29, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI'm asking where the evidence is of the groceries, since you've stated it as FACT at least twice. Got crime scene pictures? Police report? Are you DISPUTING that TM was carrying groceries? What part of "where's the evidence" did you not understand, John? Quote Irrelevant. Where is the dispute? Are you disputing it. You've stated it as fact...FACT, twice now so evidently YOU think it is. What is the bearing on the case? Why is it relevant to the discussion?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,991 #762 March 29, 2012 >And some contend that due to several year old incidents where charges were > dropped/set aside that Zimmerman had violence issues and imply he confronted >Martin looking for a fight. It does make it clear that he had violence issues. A court restraining order after a domestic violence incident is proof of that, and an arrest for violence against a police officer is suggestive of that. It does not, of course, prove that he attacked Martin. It merely proves that he has been violent to others in the past. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,991 #763 March 29, 2012 >IF Trayvon had been white then his killer would have been arrested and charged. Would he have been more or less guilty if Martin had been white? Or if Zimmerman had been black? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #764 March 29, 2012 Quote>And some contend that due to several year old incidents where charges were > dropped/set aside that Zimmerman had violence issues and imply he confronted >Martin looking for a fight. It does make it clear that he had violence issues. A court restraining order after a domestic violence incident is proof of that, and an arrest for violence against a police officer is suggestive of that. It does not, of course, prove that he attacked Martin. It merely proves that he has been violent to others in the past. Yup, and you had to bring it up over and over...as well as the (paraphrased) remark about 'he's not wearing orange because he likes it' when it turns out it was an orange polo shirt and not prisoner coveralls.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wlsc 0 #765 March 29, 2012 Quote>IF Trayvon had been white then his killer would have been arrested and charged. Would he have been more or less guilty if Martin had been white? Or if Zimmerman had been black? Same guilt. Different legal outcome depending upon the Race Variable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DougH 270 #766 March 29, 2012 Quote>IF Trayvon had been white then his killer would have been arrested and charged. Would he have been more or less guilty if Martin had been white? Or if Zimmerman had been black? What about two blacks with different skin tones. Does the blackest one fry if he was the one left standing? What about two whites, but one that stayed in the tanning booth to long ala Kramer in the Seinfeld episode where he was meeting his black girlfriend's father. "I thought you said you were bringing a white boy home! I don't see a white boy! I see a damn fool!""The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Channman 2 #767 March 29, 2012 Just another quick update: On March 24 a “KillZimmerman” Twitter account began publishing calls for violence against George Zimmerman, the self-appointed neighborhood watch captain who shot and killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin on Feb. 26. Five days later, the account is still on its crusade to avenge Martin. The sender’s initial tweets made his or her aims clear: “No Justice No Peace!!!!!!!!!! #KILLZIMMERMAN #KILLZIMMERMAN #KILLZIMMERMAN,” they read. The account’s image is a photo of gun-sight crosshairs superimposed on Zimmerman’s picture. “This Page Is 4 Da Ppl Who Believe Zimmerman Should Be Shot Dead In The Street,” the Twitter account’s description reads, “The Same Way TRAYVON Was. No Justice No Peace.” In response to one tweeted complaint on March 24 that the account “is advocating murder,” the account holder replied: “we should just all get up and #killzimmerman ourselves; fuck the system. #AintNoJustice” “I Think They Should Shoot Zimmerman Dead In His Head Jail Ain’t Enough,” read another message the same day. “Don’t get me wrong I would be happy if he go to jail,” another tweet read, “but I rather see a bitch shoot him in his fuckin face.” On March 27, the account tweeted: “Leave All The Violence Shit To Us Coz If They Don’t Put Em In Jail We Gone Get His Ass.” “We don’t comment on specific users or the status of accounts for privacy reasons,” Twitter spokesperson Rachael Horwitz told The Daily Caller. She did not indicate whether Twitter intends to take action to suspend the account, but provided TheDC with a Web address where users can report “an abusive user.” It’s clear from the account’s tweets on Wednesday that some Twitter users are taking advantage of that option. “All these racist motherfuckers tryin to get me deleted like I did something wrong,” one tweet read. “Bitch zimmerman killed #TRAYVON he the one wrong.” Calls for violence directed at Trayvon Martin’s killer are not restricted to Twitter alone. The New Black Panther Party has issued a “dead or alive” bounty for Zimmerman’s capture. Its value was originally $10,000. On Wednesday that amount was increased dramatically — to $1 million. On Facebook, groups named “I want George Zimmerman dead,” “Kill George Zimmerman bitch azz,” “Kill Zimmerman” and “Kill George Zimmerman” have appeared, some with approximately 100 members. The “Kill Zimmerman” Twitter profile had 162 followers at 1 p.m. EDT Thursday, a number likely to increase because The Drudge Report posted a link to the page. George Zimmerman remains in hiding from vigilante threats. Absent a fringe element calling for retaliatory violence, the vast majority of Martin’s supporters seek only Zimmerman’s arrest and prosecution Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/29/killzimmerman-twitter-advocates-violence-against-martins-killer/#ixzz1qXT6KmMM Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/29/killzimmerman-twitter-advocates-violence-against-martins-killer/#ixzz1qXSuzvVF Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wlsc 0 #768 March 29, 2012 Here's a question for you... ...Why did the prosecutor ignore the recommendations of the lead homicide investigator? ABC News reported that Chris Serino, the lead homicide investigator on the Trayvon Martin case, recommended that Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter on the night of the shooting. Serino filed an affidavit that night stating “he was unconvinced Zimmerman’s version of events.” As the lead homicide investigator, Serino was: 1. In the best position to evaluate Zimmerman’s credibility, and 2. Intimately familiar with Florida law. Why was he ignored? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,991 #769 March 29, 2012 >Same guilt. Agreed - and THAT is the bottom line. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wlsc 0 #770 March 29, 2012 Quote>Same guilt. Agreed - and THAT is the bottom line. No. The bottom line is that this case is the tip of a racist iceberg as regards the legal and prison system for all BLACKS. Those who turn a Blind eye or Deny this reality only reinforce it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,991 #771 March 29, 2012 >The bottom line is that this case is the tip of a racist iceberg as regards the legal and >prison system for all BLACKS. Those who turn a Blind eye or Deny this reality only >reinforce it. Yes, I understand that that is your agenda - you've stated it several times. Again, that does not have anything to do with whether or not Zimmerman is guilty of a crime. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #772 March 29, 2012 Yep, if this had been a militia of whites, they would already be in jail for making terrorist threats. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #773 March 29, 2012 QuoteYep, if this had been a militia of whites, they would already be in jail for making terrorist threats. Yep - there's been a conspicuous *lack* of action by the DOJ regarding the kid set on fire in KC, as well.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wlsc 0 #774 March 29, 2012 Quote>The bottom line is that this case is the tip of a racist iceberg as regards the legal and >prison system for all BLACKS. Those who turn a Blind eye or Deny this reality only >reinforce it. Yes, I understand that that is your agenda - you've stated it several times. Again, that does not have anything to do with whether or not Zimmerman is guilty of a crime. Your agenda is to deny the obvious. I don't deny that Zimmerman is guilty of a crime. The point is he wouldn't have shot if Trayvon had been white. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #775 March 29, 2012 QuoteQuoteYep, if this had been a militia of whites, they would already be in jail for making terrorist threats. Yep - there's been a conspicuous *lack* of action by the DOJ regarding the kid set on fire in KC, as well. Something stinks about this whole story. this shooting happened over a month ago yet it took nearly 3 weeks to become a national story. It's almost as if the press doesn't want it to go away. I would not be surprised if Jorges is arrested and put on trial as we get closer to the election. 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wlsc 0 #760 March 29, 2012 Quote>The contention is that IF Trayvon had been white then his killer would have been >arrested and charged. Yes, some contend that. Some contend that since Zimmerman was part hispanic he's just s much a "minority" as Martin and thus should have been treated "equally" poorly by the police. All such arguments are stupid, and are generally posed by people trying to turn this into a race issue as opposed to an issue of an overzealous neighborhood watch guy and/or a kid who reacted angrily to being chased down. Race does not matter in the case - unless it can be demonstrated that it was a reason used by an assailant to initiate the attack. Race DOES matter here. To claim otherwise is to turn a blind Eye. IF Trayvon had been white then his killer would have been arrested and charged. As he was black then this could happen... ...Why was Trayvon Martin’s body tagged as a John Doe? The Washington Post’s Jonathan Capehart notes a police report “that was completed at 3:07 a.m. on Feb. 27 lists Trayvon’s full name, city of birth, address and phone number.” But yet, Trayvon’s body was reportedly “tagged as a John Doe” and his father wasn’t informed of his death until after he filed a missing person report later on the 27th. Why weren’t Trayvon Martin’s parents contacted immediately after the police confirmed his identity? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #761 March 29, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI'm asking where the evidence is of the groceries, since you've stated it as FACT at least twice. Got crime scene pictures? Police report? Are you DISPUTING that TM was carrying groceries? What part of "where's the evidence" did you not understand, John? Quote Irrelevant. Where is the dispute? Are you disputing it. You've stated it as fact...FACT, twice now so evidently YOU think it is. What is the bearing on the case? Why is it relevant to the discussion?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,991 #762 March 29, 2012 >And some contend that due to several year old incidents where charges were > dropped/set aside that Zimmerman had violence issues and imply he confronted >Martin looking for a fight. It does make it clear that he had violence issues. A court restraining order after a domestic violence incident is proof of that, and an arrest for violence against a police officer is suggestive of that. It does not, of course, prove that he attacked Martin. It merely proves that he has been violent to others in the past. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,991 #763 March 29, 2012 >IF Trayvon had been white then his killer would have been arrested and charged. Would he have been more or less guilty if Martin had been white? Or if Zimmerman had been black? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #764 March 29, 2012 Quote>And some contend that due to several year old incidents where charges were > dropped/set aside that Zimmerman had violence issues and imply he confronted >Martin looking for a fight. It does make it clear that he had violence issues. A court restraining order after a domestic violence incident is proof of that, and an arrest for violence against a police officer is suggestive of that. It does not, of course, prove that he attacked Martin. It merely proves that he has been violent to others in the past. Yup, and you had to bring it up over and over...as well as the (paraphrased) remark about 'he's not wearing orange because he likes it' when it turns out it was an orange polo shirt and not prisoner coveralls.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wlsc 0 #765 March 29, 2012 Quote>IF Trayvon had been white then his killer would have been arrested and charged. Would he have been more or less guilty if Martin had been white? Or if Zimmerman had been black? Same guilt. Different legal outcome depending upon the Race Variable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DougH 270 #766 March 29, 2012 Quote>IF Trayvon had been white then his killer would have been arrested and charged. Would he have been more or less guilty if Martin had been white? Or if Zimmerman had been black? What about two blacks with different skin tones. Does the blackest one fry if he was the one left standing? What about two whites, but one that stayed in the tanning booth to long ala Kramer in the Seinfeld episode where he was meeting his black girlfriend's father. "I thought you said you were bringing a white boy home! I don't see a white boy! I see a damn fool!""The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Channman 2 #767 March 29, 2012 Just another quick update: On March 24 a “KillZimmerman” Twitter account began publishing calls for violence against George Zimmerman, the self-appointed neighborhood watch captain who shot and killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin on Feb. 26. Five days later, the account is still on its crusade to avenge Martin. The sender’s initial tweets made his or her aims clear: “No Justice No Peace!!!!!!!!!! #KILLZIMMERMAN #KILLZIMMERMAN #KILLZIMMERMAN,” they read. The account’s image is a photo of gun-sight crosshairs superimposed on Zimmerman’s picture. “This Page Is 4 Da Ppl Who Believe Zimmerman Should Be Shot Dead In The Street,” the Twitter account’s description reads, “The Same Way TRAYVON Was. No Justice No Peace.” In response to one tweeted complaint on March 24 that the account “is advocating murder,” the account holder replied: “we should just all get up and #killzimmerman ourselves; fuck the system. #AintNoJustice” “I Think They Should Shoot Zimmerman Dead In His Head Jail Ain’t Enough,” read another message the same day. “Don’t get me wrong I would be happy if he go to jail,” another tweet read, “but I rather see a bitch shoot him in his fuckin face.” On March 27, the account tweeted: “Leave All The Violence Shit To Us Coz If They Don’t Put Em In Jail We Gone Get His Ass.” “We don’t comment on specific users or the status of accounts for privacy reasons,” Twitter spokesperson Rachael Horwitz told The Daily Caller. She did not indicate whether Twitter intends to take action to suspend the account, but provided TheDC with a Web address where users can report “an abusive user.” It’s clear from the account’s tweets on Wednesday that some Twitter users are taking advantage of that option. “All these racist motherfuckers tryin to get me deleted like I did something wrong,” one tweet read. “Bitch zimmerman killed #TRAYVON he the one wrong.” Calls for violence directed at Trayvon Martin’s killer are not restricted to Twitter alone. The New Black Panther Party has issued a “dead or alive” bounty for Zimmerman’s capture. Its value was originally $10,000. On Wednesday that amount was increased dramatically — to $1 million. On Facebook, groups named “I want George Zimmerman dead,” “Kill George Zimmerman bitch azz,” “Kill Zimmerman” and “Kill George Zimmerman” have appeared, some with approximately 100 members. The “Kill Zimmerman” Twitter profile had 162 followers at 1 p.m. EDT Thursday, a number likely to increase because The Drudge Report posted a link to the page. George Zimmerman remains in hiding from vigilante threats. Absent a fringe element calling for retaliatory violence, the vast majority of Martin’s supporters seek only Zimmerman’s arrest and prosecution Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/29/killzimmerman-twitter-advocates-violence-against-martins-killer/#ixzz1qXT6KmMM Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/29/killzimmerman-twitter-advocates-violence-against-martins-killer/#ixzz1qXSuzvVF Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wlsc 0 #768 March 29, 2012 Here's a question for you... ...Why did the prosecutor ignore the recommendations of the lead homicide investigator? ABC News reported that Chris Serino, the lead homicide investigator on the Trayvon Martin case, recommended that Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter on the night of the shooting. Serino filed an affidavit that night stating “he was unconvinced Zimmerman’s version of events.” As the lead homicide investigator, Serino was: 1. In the best position to evaluate Zimmerman’s credibility, and 2. Intimately familiar with Florida law. Why was he ignored? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,991 #769 March 29, 2012 >Same guilt. Agreed - and THAT is the bottom line. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wlsc 0 #770 March 29, 2012 Quote>Same guilt. Agreed - and THAT is the bottom line. No. The bottom line is that this case is the tip of a racist iceberg as regards the legal and prison system for all BLACKS. Those who turn a Blind eye or Deny this reality only reinforce it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,991 #771 March 29, 2012 >The bottom line is that this case is the tip of a racist iceberg as regards the legal and >prison system for all BLACKS. Those who turn a Blind eye or Deny this reality only >reinforce it. Yes, I understand that that is your agenda - you've stated it several times. Again, that does not have anything to do with whether or not Zimmerman is guilty of a crime. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #772 March 29, 2012 Yep, if this had been a militia of whites, they would already be in jail for making terrorist threats. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #773 March 29, 2012 QuoteYep, if this had been a militia of whites, they would already be in jail for making terrorist threats. Yep - there's been a conspicuous *lack* of action by the DOJ regarding the kid set on fire in KC, as well.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wlsc 0 #774 March 29, 2012 Quote>The bottom line is that this case is the tip of a racist iceberg as regards the legal and >prison system for all BLACKS. Those who turn a Blind eye or Deny this reality only >reinforce it. Yes, I understand that that is your agenda - you've stated it several times. Again, that does not have anything to do with whether or not Zimmerman is guilty of a crime. Your agenda is to deny the obvious. I don't deny that Zimmerman is guilty of a crime. The point is he wouldn't have shot if Trayvon had been white. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #775 March 29, 2012 QuoteQuoteYep, if this had been a militia of whites, they would already be in jail for making terrorist threats. Yep - there's been a conspicuous *lack* of action by the DOJ regarding the kid set on fire in KC, as well. Something stinks about this whole story. this shooting happened over a month ago yet it took nearly 3 weeks to become a national story. It's almost as if the press doesn't want it to go away. I would not be surprised if Jorges is arrested and put on trial as we get closer to the election. 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billvon 2,991 #762 March 29, 2012 >And some contend that due to several year old incidents where charges were > dropped/set aside that Zimmerman had violence issues and imply he confronted >Martin looking for a fight. It does make it clear that he had violence issues. A court restraining order after a domestic violence incident is proof of that, and an arrest for violence against a police officer is suggestive of that. It does not, of course, prove that he attacked Martin. It merely proves that he has been violent to others in the past. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #763 March 29, 2012 >IF Trayvon had been white then his killer would have been arrested and charged. Would he have been more or less guilty if Martin had been white? Or if Zimmerman had been black? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #764 March 29, 2012 Quote>And some contend that due to several year old incidents where charges were > dropped/set aside that Zimmerman had violence issues and imply he confronted >Martin looking for a fight. It does make it clear that he had violence issues. A court restraining order after a domestic violence incident is proof of that, and an arrest for violence against a police officer is suggestive of that. It does not, of course, prove that he attacked Martin. It merely proves that he has been violent to others in the past. Yup, and you had to bring it up over and over...as well as the (paraphrased) remark about 'he's not wearing orange because he likes it' when it turns out it was an orange polo shirt and not prisoner coveralls.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wlsc 0 #765 March 29, 2012 Quote>IF Trayvon had been white then his killer would have been arrested and charged. Would he have been more or less guilty if Martin had been white? Or if Zimmerman had been black? Same guilt. Different legal outcome depending upon the Race Variable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #766 March 29, 2012 Quote>IF Trayvon had been white then his killer would have been arrested and charged. Would he have been more or less guilty if Martin had been white? Or if Zimmerman had been black? What about two blacks with different skin tones. Does the blackest one fry if he was the one left standing? What about two whites, but one that stayed in the tanning booth to long ala Kramer in the Seinfeld episode where he was meeting his black girlfriend's father. "I thought you said you were bringing a white boy home! I don't see a white boy! I see a damn fool!""The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #767 March 29, 2012 Just another quick update: On March 24 a “KillZimmerman” Twitter account began publishing calls for violence against George Zimmerman, the self-appointed neighborhood watch captain who shot and killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin on Feb. 26. Five days later, the account is still on its crusade to avenge Martin. The sender’s initial tweets made his or her aims clear: “No Justice No Peace!!!!!!!!!! #KILLZIMMERMAN #KILLZIMMERMAN #KILLZIMMERMAN,” they read. The account’s image is a photo of gun-sight crosshairs superimposed on Zimmerman’s picture. “This Page Is 4 Da Ppl Who Believe Zimmerman Should Be Shot Dead In The Street,” the Twitter account’s description reads, “The Same Way TRAYVON Was. No Justice No Peace.” In response to one tweeted complaint on March 24 that the account “is advocating murder,” the account holder replied: “we should just all get up and #killzimmerman ourselves; fuck the system. #AintNoJustice” “I Think They Should Shoot Zimmerman Dead In His Head Jail Ain’t Enough,” read another message the same day. “Don’t get me wrong I would be happy if he go to jail,” another tweet read, “but I rather see a bitch shoot him in his fuckin face.” On March 27, the account tweeted: “Leave All The Violence Shit To Us Coz If They Don’t Put Em In Jail We Gone Get His Ass.” “We don’t comment on specific users or the status of accounts for privacy reasons,” Twitter spokesperson Rachael Horwitz told The Daily Caller. She did not indicate whether Twitter intends to take action to suspend the account, but provided TheDC with a Web address where users can report “an abusive user.” It’s clear from the account’s tweets on Wednesday that some Twitter users are taking advantage of that option. “All these racist motherfuckers tryin to get me deleted like I did something wrong,” one tweet read. “Bitch zimmerman killed #TRAYVON he the one wrong.” Calls for violence directed at Trayvon Martin’s killer are not restricted to Twitter alone. The New Black Panther Party has issued a “dead or alive” bounty for Zimmerman’s capture. Its value was originally $10,000. On Wednesday that amount was increased dramatically — to $1 million. On Facebook, groups named “I want George Zimmerman dead,” “Kill George Zimmerman bitch azz,” “Kill Zimmerman” and “Kill George Zimmerman” have appeared, some with approximately 100 members. The “Kill Zimmerman” Twitter profile had 162 followers at 1 p.m. EDT Thursday, a number likely to increase because The Drudge Report posted a link to the page. George Zimmerman remains in hiding from vigilante threats. Absent a fringe element calling for retaliatory violence, the vast majority of Martin’s supporters seek only Zimmerman’s arrest and prosecution Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/29/killzimmerman-twitter-advocates-violence-against-martins-killer/#ixzz1qXT6KmMM Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/29/killzimmerman-twitter-advocates-violence-against-martins-killer/#ixzz1qXSuzvVF Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wlsc 0 #768 March 29, 2012 Here's a question for you... ...Why did the prosecutor ignore the recommendations of the lead homicide investigator? ABC News reported that Chris Serino, the lead homicide investigator on the Trayvon Martin case, recommended that Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter on the night of the shooting. Serino filed an affidavit that night stating “he was unconvinced Zimmerman’s version of events.” As the lead homicide investigator, Serino was: 1. In the best position to evaluate Zimmerman’s credibility, and 2. Intimately familiar with Florida law. Why was he ignored? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #769 March 29, 2012 >Same guilt. Agreed - and THAT is the bottom line. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wlsc 0 #770 March 29, 2012 Quote>Same guilt. Agreed - and THAT is the bottom line. No. The bottom line is that this case is the tip of a racist iceberg as regards the legal and prison system for all BLACKS. Those who turn a Blind eye or Deny this reality only reinforce it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #771 March 29, 2012 >The bottom line is that this case is the tip of a racist iceberg as regards the legal and >prison system for all BLACKS. Those who turn a Blind eye or Deny this reality only >reinforce it. Yes, I understand that that is your agenda - you've stated it several times. Again, that does not have anything to do with whether or not Zimmerman is guilty of a crime. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #772 March 29, 2012 Yep, if this had been a militia of whites, they would already be in jail for making terrorist threats. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #773 March 29, 2012 QuoteYep, if this had been a militia of whites, they would already be in jail for making terrorist threats. Yep - there's been a conspicuous *lack* of action by the DOJ regarding the kid set on fire in KC, as well.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wlsc 0 #774 March 29, 2012 Quote>The bottom line is that this case is the tip of a racist iceberg as regards the legal and >prison system for all BLACKS. Those who turn a Blind eye or Deny this reality only >reinforce it. Yes, I understand that that is your agenda - you've stated it several times. Again, that does not have anything to do with whether or not Zimmerman is guilty of a crime. Your agenda is to deny the obvious. I don't deny that Zimmerman is guilty of a crime. The point is he wouldn't have shot if Trayvon had been white. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #775 March 29, 2012 QuoteQuoteYep, if this had been a militia of whites, they would already be in jail for making terrorist threats. Yep - there's been a conspicuous *lack* of action by the DOJ regarding the kid set on fire in KC, as well. Something stinks about this whole story. this shooting happened over a month ago yet it took nearly 3 weeks to become a national story. It's almost as if the press doesn't want it to go away. I would not be surprised if Jorges is arrested and put on trial as we get closer to the election. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
