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rushmc 23
90% of blacks are murdered or killed by blacks
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
It makes me laugh to think black organizations are putting a bounty out on Zimmerman. Don't they realize Florida is a Stand Your Ground state? 
We are all engines of karma
mirage62 0
News reports are saying that the rally organizers in Sanford and Miami estimates of "tens of thousands" fell way short. Press interest has dropped way off.
I would think there would be a rally Tuesday when the grand jury is called???
Looking at my interest in all this. I really am intersted in the "truth" I'll be honest. I DIDN'T think the press handled this fairly toward Zimmerman BUT that doesn't make him innocent either
I would think there would be a rally Tuesday when the grand jury is called???
Looking at my interest in all this. I really am intersted in the "truth" I'll be honest. I DIDN'T think the press handled this fairly toward Zimmerman BUT that doesn't make him innocent either
Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little
rushmc 23
QuoteNews reports are saying that the rally organizers in Sanford and Miami estimates of "tens of thousands" fell way short. Press interest has dropped way off.
I would think there would be a rally Tuesday when the grand jury is called???
Looking at my interest in all this. I really am intersted in the "truth" I'll be honest. I DIDN'T think the press handled this fairly toward Zimmerman BUT that doesn't make him innocent either
+1
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
It would be nearly impossible for Zimmerman to get a fair trial even if he is indicted. The Press and the Poverty Pimps have assured that.
wlsc 0
OJ got a fair trial - so should Zimmerman.
Quote..... The 911 operator tells him to stop, and at some point (5 seconds? 30 seconds? later, he does).
And subsequently loses sight of Martin, thus ending that confrontation.
Quote....Granted, when he stops chasing, presumably Martin recognizes it..
QuoteOf course his blood his up, adrenaline's still pumping, so cool, calm decisions are not his specialty at the moment. Instead, he switches from flight to fight...a mistake on his part that costs him his life.
So you admit that once Martin breaks the engagement by running, the further actions were all on his own hook?
QuoteHowever I also don't think his actions were completely innocent. He (Zimmerman) provoked the situation and helped escalate it to the point that violence broke out.
No - Martin did that when he circled back to confront Zimmerman.
QuoteIn my opinion, the stand-your-ground principle went out the window when he started chasing the other guy.
Since you keep mis-characterizing SYG, allow me to add to your knowledge:
"A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony."
SYG doesn't come into play UNTIL violence is offered. Even had SYG *not* been passed, Zimmerman was justified in the use of deadly force since he had no way to further retreat; his back was literally "against the wall (ground)".
Some understand these things...some refuse to understand...for whatever reason.
My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239
QuoteWhy do you refuse to acknowledge that Zimmerman chasing Martin was wrong and could very easily be considered a threat?
Nobody is saying that to my knowledge.
QuoteAnd how do you decide that there are two separate incidents?
See Mike's reply above...again.
Quote*IF* Zimmerman lost sight of Martin, what makes you think Martin lost sight of Zimmerman?
Quote
Nobody said that either. Obviously, he found Z whether or not he ever lost sight of him.QuoteAssuming you've been in that mode at some point in your life, you have to understand that you can't turn it off like that. As an adult it gets a bit easier, but it's still not a light switch, much less at 17.
It's your personal responsibility to do that.QuoteIf he didn't actually make a habit of trying to save the world from non-criminals, mea culpa.
And if he had? Does that make a difference? In my book it's commendable. More people should care enough.QuoteIt implies pretty clearly that Zimmerman did quit chasing Martin as directed by the 911 operator, but a couple minutes later Martin approached him, asked why he was following him, he denied it, but then chased him *again*, this time directly into the physical confrontation.
????
Directly into an ambush is more like it.My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239
QuoteQuoteIt implies pretty clearly that Zimmerman did quit chasing Martin as directed by the 911 operator, but a couple minutes later Martin approached him, asked why he was following him, he denied it, but then chased him *again*, this time directly into the physical confrontation.
????
Directly into an ambush is more like it.
Eye of the beholder I suppose. Martin had just asked him "why are you following me?" And he said he was not. Martin took off again, and he chased him again. From Martin's perspective, the creepy dude who just denied following him is chasing him *again*. Turning to fight someone chasing you is not an ambush. If Zimmerman was truly not following Martin, as he just said, and as the 911 operator had instructed, he wouldn't have been at the location of the fight, and no altercation would have occurred.
Personally, I consider someone chasinghe me to be a threat. If Martin had shot Zimmerman at that point, it would have been almost as (un)justifiable.
Blues,
Dave
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rushmc 23
QuoteQuoteQuoteIt implies pretty clearly that Zimmerman did quit chasing Martin as directed by the 911 operator, but a couple minutes later Martin approached him, asked why he was following him, he denied it, but then chased him *again*, this time directly into the physical confrontation.
????
Directly into an ambush is more like it.
Eye of the beholder I suppose. Martin had just asked him "why are you following me?" And he said he was not. Martin took off again, and he chased him again. From Martin's perspective, the creepy dude who just denied following him is chasing him *again*. Turning to fight someone chasing you is not an ambush. If Zimmerman was truly not following Martin, as he just said, and as the 911 operator had instructed, he wouldn't have been at the location of the fight, and no altercation would have occurred.
Personally, I consider someone chasinghe me to be a threat. If Martin had shot Zimmerman at that point, it would have been almost as (un)justifiable.
Blues,
Dave
Now another version of what happened!
Wow
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
Rick 67
QuoteQuoteQuoteIt implies pretty clearly that Zimmerman did quit chasing Martin as directed by the 911 operator, but a couple minutes later Martin approached him, asked why he was following him, he denied it, but then chased him *again*, this time directly into the physical confrontation.
????
Directly into an ambush is more like it.
Eye of the beholder I suppose. Martin had just asked him "why are you following me?" And he said he was not. Martin took off again, and he chased him again. From Martin's perspective, the creepy dude who just denied following him is chasing him *again*. Turning to fight someone chasing you is not an ambush. If Zimmerman was truly not following Martin, as he just said, and as the 911 operator had instructed, he wouldn't have been at the location of the fight, and no altercation would have occurred.
Personally, I consider someone chasinghe me to be a threat. If Martin had shot Zimmerman at that point, it would have been almost as (un)justifiable.
Blues,
Dave
Or maybe Martin could have just gone to the house he was staying in and locked the door to get away from the creepy guy.
You can't be drunk all day if you don't start early!
billvon 2,991
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>Or maybe Martin could have just gone to the house he was staying in and locked the
>door to get away from the creepy guy.
True. So could Zimmerman.
>door to get away from the creepy guy.
True. So could Zimmerman.
Rick 67
Quote>Or maybe Martin could have just gone to the house he was staying in and locked the
>door to get away from the creepy guy.
True. So could Zimmerman.
Also true. 2 people made bad decisions. 1 ended up dead. I am glad I live in Orange County and not Seminole. i would not like to be called for jury duty on this case.
You can't be drunk all day if you don't start early!
QuoteOr maybe Martin could have just gone to the house he was staying in and locked the door to get away from the creepy guy.
Because the first thing I want to do when some creepy dude is following me is show him where I live? Wasn't Zimmerman similarly reluctant? I know I have been (and the cops screwed me over and brought the guy I called the cops about to my front door...I moved the following week.)
Blues,
Dave
"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)
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mnealtx 0
QuoteQuoteOr maybe Martin could have just gone to the house he was staying in and locked the door to get away from the creepy guy.
Because the first thing I want to do when some creepy dude is following me is show him where I live?
Once 'creepy dude' loses sight of you, how are you leading him to your door? You going to stand outside waving lightsticks yelling "Over here, creepy dude!"?
Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
Quote>Or maybe Martin could have just gone to the house he was staying in and locked the
>door to get away from the creepy guy.
True. So could Zimmerman.
might interfere with his neighborhood watch activities, however.
mirage62 0
Quote
Martin had just asked him "why are you following me?" And he said he was not. Martin took off again, and he chased him again. From Martin's perspective, the creepy dude who just denied following him is chasing him *again*.
Did I miss something? My understanding was that the only time they spoke was when T.M approached Z and ask something to the effect if "do you have a problem..." and the fight broke out.
Of course that can't be proved. So is the above just speculation that know one has suggested in either of the T.M or Zimmerman camps?
Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little
billvon 2,991
>It would be nearly impossible for Zimmerman to get a fair trial even if he is indicted.
Perhaps true. But as the gun advocates put it - "it is better to be judged by twelve than carried by six." Zimmerman made his choice.
Perhaps true. But as the gun advocates put it - "it is better to be judged by twelve than carried by six." Zimmerman made his choice.
Quote>It would be nearly impossible for Zimmerman to get a fair trial even if he is indicted.
Perhaps true. But as the gun advocates put it - "it is better to be judged by twelve than carried by six." Zimmerman made his choice.
I doubt when he made that choice he ever dreamed the Congress-critters and the President would enhance the possibility he can't get a fair trial. Since many of them are lawyers, I can't imagine what they were thinking when they spoke out so vociferiously.
mirage62 0
Quote
Of the seven calls placed by George Zimmerman, the man who shot Trayvon Martin, there were five where he reported suspicious-looking young men in the area -- but he never mentioned the men's race without first being asked. NBC's Michael Isikoff reports.
This is interesting, the fact that they took the effort to point out that he never mention the mans race without first being asked.
It seems the idea that Zimmerman was a racist is being slowly debunk.
Saw where Z family had written the NAACP in Sanford to ask they they stop making it sound like Z was a racist, Pushing back in hard terms.
They have also set up a web page for donations to offset his legal fees and to help pay bills as he can't work.
Be interesting to see if any Congressman come forward to give him money or support....LOL - that isn't going to happen.
Perhaps Obama will comment that Z could be his cousin....naaaa that won't happen.......
Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little
billvon 2,991
>I doubt when he made that choice he ever dreamed the Congress-critters
>and the President would enhance the possibility he can't get a fair trial.
Probably not. Nor would Martin's family have ever dreamed that a "neighborhood watch" guy would end up killing their son as he returned from buying Skittles.
>and the President would enhance the possibility he can't get a fair trial.
Probably not. Nor would Martin's family have ever dreamed that a "neighborhood watch" guy would end up killing their son as he returned from buying Skittles.
mnealtx 0
Quote>I doubt when he made that choice he ever dreamed the Congress-critters
>and the President would enhance the possibility he can't get a fair trial.
Probably not. Nor would Martin's family have ever dreamed that a "neighborhood watch" guy would end up killing their son as he returned from buying Skittles.
Skittles being street slang for Ecstacy.
Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
GeorgiaDon 362
You have any proof of that?QuoteQuote>I doubt when he made that choice he ever dreamed the Congress-critters
>and the President would enhance the possibility he can't get a fair trial.
Probably not. Nor would Martin's family have ever dreamed that a "neighborhood watch" guy would end up killing their son as he returned from buying Skittles.
Skittles being street slang for Ecstacy.
Otherwise, that's an exceptionally contemptible comment, even considering the source.
Don
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Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996)
“Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats)
Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996)
“Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats)
That'll be the 'white men get away with murdering black men with impunity' slack. Stock up with flowers now and join the revolution.
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