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NBC Fires Producer of Misleading Zimmerman Tape
http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/04/06/nbc-fires-producer-of-misleading-zimmerman-tape/?hp
"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
-NickDG
http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/04/06/nbc-fires-producer-of-misleading-zimmerman-tape/?hp
"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
-NickDG
GeorgiaDon 362
Cordicidin, ecstacy, whatever, that's a deflection and you know it. Do you have any proof that Martin was out buying drugs, of any variety? Why is there nothing about finding such drugs on his body in the police report? This is just part and parcel of the effort to paint Martin as someone who deserved/needed killing. It's a despicable, contemptible effort to whitewash a killing that was by any measure tragic and unnecessary.QuoteQuoteYou have any proof of that?QuoteQuote>I doubt when he made that choice he ever dreamed the Congress-critters
>and the President would enhance the possibility he can't get a fair trial.
Probably not. Nor would Martin's family have ever dreamed that a "neighborhood watch" guy would end up killing their son as he returned from buying Skittles.
Skittles being street slang for Ecstacy.
Otherwise, that's an exceptionally contemptible comment, even considering the source.
Don
Beg pardon - it's slang for drugs containing Coricidin, not Ecstasy. Google is your friend, maybe you should have utilized it before your oh-so-faux outrage?
Nice stealth PA with the 'even considering the source', though. Funny how Bill completely ignoring Martin's attack on Zimmerman is below your level of consideration in that regard.
There is no evidence showing that Martin attacked Zimmerman. Witnesses observed them fighting, but not who started the confrontation. It might have been Martin, or it might have been Zimmerman. We do know that Zimmerman made unwarranted assumptions that Martin was "high on drugs"and an "asshole who always gets away with it", and initiated a pursuit of Martin based on his assumptions. Clearly Zimmerman started the chain of events that lead to Martin's death. Whether or not he is legally culpable will be up to the investigators, and perhaps a jury. But how can you complain about Bill ignoring something that has not been demonstrated to be true?
Don
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Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996)
“Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats)
jclalor 12
QuoteQuoteNBC Fires Producer of Misleading Zimmerman Tape
http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/04/06/nbc-fires-producer-of-misleading-zimmerman-tape/?hp
Thats good, Fox news should take notes.
rushmc 23
Quote>It seems they both did
Yes. And both must now live with the consequences. And if those consequences result in a trial for Zimmerman, or even prison time - he still comes out ahead.
You have made up your mind that a trial in unavoidable haven't you.
I say a trial is necessary (as is an arrest) if the evidence indicates that is needed.
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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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mnealtx 0
QuoteQuoteQuoteYou have any proof of that?QuoteQuote>I doubt when he made that choice he ever dreamed the Congress-critters
>and the President would enhance the possibility he can't get a fair trial.
Probably not. Nor would Martin's family have ever dreamed that a "neighborhood watch" guy would end up killing their son as he returned from buying Skittles.
Skittles being street slang for Ecstacy.
Otherwise, that's an exceptionally contemptible comment, even considering the source.
Don
Beg pardon - it's slang for drugs containing Coricidin, not Ecstasy. Google is your friend, maybe you should have utilized it before your oh-so-faux outrage?
Nice stealth PA with the 'even considering the source', though. Funny how Bill completely ignoring Martin's attack on Zimmerman is below your level of consideration in that regard.QuoteCordicidin, ecstacy, whatever, that's a deflection and you know it. Do you have any proof that Martin was out buying drugs, of any variety?
He had been suspended for drugs - got any proof he didn't?QuoteWhy is there nothing about finding such drugs on his body in the police report?
Why is there nothing about finding skittles and ice tea on his body in the police report?QuoteThis is just part and parcel of the effort to paint Martin as someone who deserved/needed killing.
And completely ignoring Martin's attack on Zimmerman is just part and parcel of the effort to paint Zimmerman as a vigilante who killed Martin for 'walking while black'.QuoteIt's a despicable, contemptible effort to whitewash a killing that was by any measure tragic and unnecessary.
Except for the slight bit about Martin making a fair attempt to crack Zimmerman's skull like an egg on the sidewalk. Thanks for proving my point.QuoteThere is no evidence showing that Martin attacked Zimmerman. Witnesses observed them fighting, but not who started the confrontation. It might have been Martin, or it might have been Zimmerman. We do know that Zimmerman made unwarranted assumptions that Martin was "high on drugs"and an "asshole who always gets away with it", and initiated a pursuit of Martin based on his assumptions. Clearly Zimmerman started the chain of events that lead to Martin's death.
And Martin clearly broke the chain of events and then re-engaged.QuoteWhether or not he is legally culpable will be up to the investigators, and perhaps a jury. But how can you complain about Bill ignoring something that has not been demonstrated to be true?
Martin beating Zimmerman *IS* proven by eyewitness accounts and by the injuries detailed in the police report and treated by paramedics.Mike
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1969912 0
Found this on another forum. Not sure about the photoshopping claims and a couple others though.
"What the media did:
"There must be 50 ways to smear George Zimmerman"
1.) they edited the 911 audio to make it sound like Zimmerman blurted out "he's black" - and had to apologize.
2.) insisting Zimmerman said "coon" - CNN has since corrected that to "Fucking cold" through professional audio enhancement - yes, they removed the wind noise and realized it was windy, rainy, and fucking cold that day.
3.) labeling Zimmerman a "WHITE-Latino" and photoshopping his picture to make him "whiter".
4.) using lo-res video to claim Zimmerman had no injuries, when hi-res was available which did show injuries.
5.) hiding Martin's school suspension for burglary tool, drug paraphernalia, and stolen property.
6.) photoshopping Martin's old picture to make him... "less black"
7.) purposely using pictures from Martin's youth to make him look like an innocent child.
8.) purposely not using recent pictures of Zimmerman - just plain dishonest.
9.) ignoring Zimmerman's contributions to helping the local black community.
10.) failing to update news articles to edit/correct misinformation.
11.) failing to point people to evidence readily available online - actually distorting it.
12.) giving credibility to voice software which has no credibility in this application.
13.) scrubbing the Internet of the real Martin.
14.) Ignoring #No_Limit_N#####
15.) Ignoring gold grille, middle-finger Martin.
16.) Using a Funeral Director to comment as if he was a Coroner -his statement could be used to show Martin was in fact the attacker,not the attacked.
17.) Using biased speculation to create animation showing shooting from 50 feet away
18.) Repeatedly saying Zimmerman was ordered to stop pursuit
19.) Accepting Jesse Jackson's claim that the police didn't investigate the scene, didn't put up any crime scene tape or interview witnesses when the police report clearly contradicts that.
20.) Reported that Zimmerman road raged but could find nothing on the web.
21.) Failure to mention race of several heinous crimes committed by blacks against whites.
22.) Claiming Zimmerman made 80 calls in a year, when it was really more like 8 years.
23.) Not reporting the hammer attack by two black men against a white man in Sanford on Monday.
24.) Barely reporting the Dead or Alive reward for kidnap of Zimmerman by the NBPP.
25.) Not hammering the Black Congressional Caucus for saying that Martin was hunted down like a rabid dog.
26.) Ignoring Spike Lee tweeting the wrong address, until after he settled up with the elderly couple - who had to move due to his dangerous stupidity.
27.) Ignoring Chicago's 40 shootings over St. Patrick's Day weekend.
28.) Ignoring the "Kill Zimmerman" twitter account (which is still up).
29.) Ignoring the DOJ failure to enforce hate crimes (NBPP) against "WHITE-Latinos".
30.) Reporting Zimmerman's police problems from prior years as bigger than they were.
31.) Not complaining about the picture of Zimmerman in the cross-hairs.
32.) Zimmerman's height and weight were exaggerated to make him seem like a huge guy able to take down poor little frail and short Martin.
33.) Reporting he was "let go" even though he was detained, in hand-irons... and that he retained his pistol, despite the police report showing it taken in evidence.
34.) Initially trumped up Zimmerman's past criminal record as allegedly "assaulting a police officer".
35.) Zimmerman shot Martin in the back.
36.) If Martin was white and lying dead, Zimmerman would have been arrested (just heard this on Fox - but Zimmerman was arrested).
37.) One of Zimmermans neighbors (Frank Taafe) said during his news interview that the neighborhood had 8 burglaries previous 15 months, all by young black males and Zimmerman actually called the police in time to prevent the neighbors home from being burglarized.
38.) Media insists that Martin had "committed no crime" - however attacking someone is a crime, and attacking someone who carries a gun is extremely dangerous to one's health.
39.) Another Twitter account "beheadzimmerman" Zimmerman the Cunt - This page is dedicated to the arrest and jail gang rape of George Zimmerman.
40.) NBC claims to fire the producer responsible for manipulating the 911 call, but refuses to identify the individual - therefore no way to verify who or if they were actually fired.
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"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
-NickDG
"What the media did:
"There must be 50 ways to smear George Zimmerman"
1.) they edited the 911 audio to make it sound like Zimmerman blurted out "he's black" - and had to apologize.
2.) insisting Zimmerman said "coon" - CNN has since corrected that to "Fucking cold" through professional audio enhancement - yes, they removed the wind noise and realized it was windy, rainy, and fucking cold that day.
3.) labeling Zimmerman a "WHITE-Latino" and photoshopping his picture to make him "whiter".
4.) using lo-res video to claim Zimmerman had no injuries, when hi-res was available which did show injuries.
5.) hiding Martin's school suspension for burglary tool, drug paraphernalia, and stolen property.
6.) photoshopping Martin's old picture to make him... "less black"
7.) purposely using pictures from Martin's youth to make him look like an innocent child.
8.) purposely not using recent pictures of Zimmerman - just plain dishonest.
9.) ignoring Zimmerman's contributions to helping the local black community.
10.) failing to update news articles to edit/correct misinformation.
11.) failing to point people to evidence readily available online - actually distorting it.
12.) giving credibility to voice software which has no credibility in this application.
13.) scrubbing the Internet of the real Martin.
14.) Ignoring #No_Limit_N#####
15.) Ignoring gold grille, middle-finger Martin.
16.) Using a Funeral Director to comment as if he was a Coroner -his statement could be used to show Martin was in fact the attacker,not the attacked.
17.) Using biased speculation to create animation showing shooting from 50 feet away
18.) Repeatedly saying Zimmerman was ordered to stop pursuit
19.) Accepting Jesse Jackson's claim that the police didn't investigate the scene, didn't put up any crime scene tape or interview witnesses when the police report clearly contradicts that.
20.) Reported that Zimmerman road raged but could find nothing on the web.
21.) Failure to mention race of several heinous crimes committed by blacks against whites.
22.) Claiming Zimmerman made 80 calls in a year, when it was really more like 8 years.
23.) Not reporting the hammer attack by two black men against a white man in Sanford on Monday.
24.) Barely reporting the Dead or Alive reward for kidnap of Zimmerman by the NBPP.
25.) Not hammering the Black Congressional Caucus for saying that Martin was hunted down like a rabid dog.
26.) Ignoring Spike Lee tweeting the wrong address, until after he settled up with the elderly couple - who had to move due to his dangerous stupidity.
27.) Ignoring Chicago's 40 shootings over St. Patrick's Day weekend.
28.) Ignoring the "Kill Zimmerman" twitter account (which is still up).
29.) Ignoring the DOJ failure to enforce hate crimes (NBPP) against "WHITE-Latinos".
30.) Reporting Zimmerman's police problems from prior years as bigger than they were.
31.) Not complaining about the picture of Zimmerman in the cross-hairs.
32.) Zimmerman's height and weight were exaggerated to make him seem like a huge guy able to take down poor little frail and short Martin.
33.) Reporting he was "let go" even though he was detained, in hand-irons... and that he retained his pistol, despite the police report showing it taken in evidence.
34.) Initially trumped up Zimmerman's past criminal record as allegedly "assaulting a police officer".
35.) Zimmerman shot Martin in the back.
36.) If Martin was white and lying dead, Zimmerman would have been arrested (just heard this on Fox - but Zimmerman was arrested).
37.) One of Zimmermans neighbors (Frank Taafe) said during his news interview that the neighborhood had 8 burglaries previous 15 months, all by young black males and Zimmerman actually called the police in time to prevent the neighbors home from being burglarized.
38.) Media insists that Martin had "committed no crime" - however attacking someone is a crime, and attacking someone who carries a gun is extremely dangerous to one's health.
39.) Another Twitter account "beheadzimmerman" Zimmerman the Cunt - This page is dedicated to the arrest and jail gang rape of George Zimmerman.
40.) NBC claims to fire the producer responsible for manipulating the 911 call, but refuses to identify the individual - therefore no way to verify who or if they were actually fired.
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"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
-NickDG
wlsc 0
...Last night an eyewitness to the Trayvon Martin killing appeared on CNN and unleashed more damning evidence against the police. Speaking to Ashleigh Banfield, the face-obscured witness said that when the cops brought her in for questioning, she offered to show them the scene of the crime and explain exactly what happened—she saw the "larger man" attacking "the boy"—the police declined her offer. Not only that, but they suggested that she was wrong: that Zimmerman was the one calling for help, not Martin. WOW...
mnealtx 0
Nice attempt to dramatize, but I'm pretty certain that after spending several hours there the night before, the police didn't need her to take them to the spot that the shooting took place.
Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
Quote...Last night an eyewitness to the Trayvon Martin killing appeared on CNN and unleashed more damning evidence against the police. Speaking to Ashleigh Banfield, the face-obscured witness said that when the cops brought her in for questioning, she offered to show them the scene of the crime and explain exactly what happened—she saw the "larger man" attacking "the boy"—the police declined her offer. Not only that, but they suggested that she was wrong: that Zimmerman was the one calling for help, not Martin. WOW...
Hmm, i saw that story and re-watched its edited version on HLN this AM, maybe there is two stories?
Matt
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So, start being safe, first!!!
So, start being safe, first!!!
wlsc 0
...The Neo-Nazis have touched down on Sanford, Florida and are conducting heavily armed patrols in the area where Trayvon Martin was killed...
mnealtx 0
Quote...The Neo-Nazis have touched down on Sanford, Florida and are conducting heavily armed patrols in the area where Trayvon Martin was killed...
Fearmongering, again? Funny how you didn't seem to have a problem with the neo-nazis when they were supporting OWS - why is that, Kevin?
link
QuoteMy initial e-mail (which included an embedded link to the Memeorandum thread):
“There are a number of reports in the media that Neo-Nazis are conducting armed patrols in Sanford. Can you confirm or deny whether this is true, and provide any information you have on the subject? If someone is able to get back to me as soon as possible (and before Monday) that would be appreciated, since such rumors are spreading.”
Response from Sanford Joint Information Center:
At this time the City of Sanford has not confirmed the presence of Neo-Nazis groups.”
My follow up:
"You say “not confirmed.” Is there any indication of such patrols that the Department is aware of?”
Further Response from Sanford Joint Information Center:
“We have no indication of any such patrols at this point in Sanford. The only large gathering was the children and their parents at the Easter egg hunt.”
Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
devildog 0
QuoteNice attempt to dramatize, but I'm pretty certain that after spending several hours there the night before, the police didn't need her to take them to the spot that the shooting took place.
The blood would make it pretty easy to find
You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions.
wlsc 0
QuoteNice attempt to dramatize, but I'm pretty certain that after spending several hours there the night before, the police didn't need her to take them to the spot that the shooting took place.
They definitely didn't need her to tell them that it was Trayvon doing the shouting for help.
mnealtx 0
QuoteQuoteNice attempt to dramatize, but I'm pretty certain that after spending several hours there the night before, the police didn't need her to take them to the spot that the shooting took place.
They definitely didn't need her to tell them that it was Trayvon doing the shouting for help.
As I recall, even Trayvon's *dad* said it didn't sound like him....but this lady somehow *knows* it was Trayvon, huh?
Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
devildog 0
QuoteQuoteQuoteNice attempt to dramatize, but I'm pretty certain that after spending several hours there the night before, the police didn't need her to take them to the spot that the shooting took place.
They definitely didn't need her to tell them that it was Trayvon doing the shouting for help.
As I recall, even Trayvon's *dad* said it didn't sound like him....but this lady somehow *knows* it was Trayvon, huh?
Don't worry. I'm sure this lady will prove completely reliable once she's been vetted. Just like all the other MSM bits on this story
You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions.
Yes. And both must now live with the consequences. And if those consequences result in a trial for Zimmerman, or even prison time - he still comes out ahead.
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