DrewEckhardt 0 #1101 April 10, 2012 QuoteWell now those people who is convinced Zimmermann is a victim have a chance to put their money where their mouth is: http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/09/us/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 He can be both a victim of an attack (assault and battery for which words no matter how harsh are not legally acceptable as incitement) which led to his justifiable homicide and idiot (risking your health to protect some one's insurance deductible by confronting suspicious people that may be armed, under the influence, and/or just mentally unstable isn't a logical exchange) not deserving financial help out of the situation he got himself into. Of course given the costs of defending oneself from a civil suit in this country soliciting donations might be the smartest thing he's done lately especially if he lacks a personal liability policy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #1102 April 10, 2012 QuoteQuote He's *asking* for donations - a bit different than trademarking his name and calling for reparations from the makers of Skittles and Arizona Ice Tea, like some tweets have called for, wouldn't you say? I'm certain that you would be telling us how evil the Martin family was if they were pandering for donations in this way. I'm sure I would, had the Martin family been forced to quit their jobs and go into hiding due to manufactured outrage by race pimps and having a price put on their heads.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #1103 April 10, 2012 >I'm certain that you would be telling us how evil the Martin family was if >they were pandering for donations in this way. "Trying to profit off his death! With a family like that, no wonder he attacked that poor man. Case closed." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #1104 April 10, 2012 Quote>I'm certain that you would be telling us how evil the Martin family was if >they were pandering for donations in this way. "Trying to profit off his death! With a family like that, no wonder he attacked that poor man. Case closed." Seems consistent with the rest of your posts on the subject, to wit: anything to paint Zimmerman and anyone that doesn't think he's guilty of cold-blooded murder in the worst possible light.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wlsc 0 #1105 April 10, 2012 ...Another one. The family of Rekia Boyd, 22, has filed a wrongful death lawsuit against the city of Chicago and an off-duty police detective who shot her in the back of the head, for no discernible reason, as she was walking with friends. Boyd was black; the detective is white. He initially said he fired in self-defense; no other gun but his was found... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #1106 April 10, 2012 QuoteSeems consistent with the rest of your posts on the subject, to wit: anything to paint Zimmerman and anyone that doesn't think he's guilty of cold-blooded murder in the worst possible light. Just as consistent as you have been trying to paint Martin in as bad a picture as you possibly can. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #1107 April 10, 2012 >anything to paint Zimmerman and anyone that doesn't think he's guilty of >cold-blooded murder in the worst possible light. ?? I don't think he's guilty of cold blooded murder, nor have I claimed anything like that. Even for you that strawman is pretty bad. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 801 #1108 April 10, 2012 So then why would a hooded person seem suspicious??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #1109 April 10, 2012 QuoteQuoteSeems consistent with the rest of your posts on the subject, to wit: anything to paint Zimmerman and anyone that doesn't think he's guilty of cold-blooded murder in the worst possible light. Just as consistent as you have been trying to paint Martin in as bad a picture as you possibly can. You might have had a point, had the stuff that has come out on Martin not been from school reports and other means like his other twitter account, where hitting a bus driver is mentioned. Contrast to DD-esque claims of racism that are more than shot down by Zimmerman's defense of Sherman Ware.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #1110 April 10, 2012 Quote>anything to paint Zimmerman and anyone that doesn't think he's guilty of >cold-blooded murder in the worst possible light. ?? I don't think he's guilty of cold blooded murder, nor have I claimed anything like that. Even for you that strawman is pretty bad. Shall I quote your "time to die" scenario from upthread, Bill, or do you recall it now?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #1111 April 10, 2012 QuoteYou might have had a point, had the stuff that has come out on Martin not been from school reports and other means like his other twitter account, where hitting a bus driver is mentioned. Contrast to DD-esque claims of racism that are more than shot down by Zimmerman's defense of Sherman Ware. Yup, you put a lot of stock into a twitter account, but discount Zimmerman's prior arrest record. Anything to help you fit things into your own view of the world. You are like Speaker's Corner's version of Fox News. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #1112 April 10, 2012 QuoteSo then why would a hooded person seem suspicious??? Same reason anyone wearing shoes is suspicious in the eyes of TSA --- paranoia.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 801 #1113 April 10, 2012 I'll play along for a bit...how's that gun ban in Chicago working for the citizens??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #1114 April 10, 2012 QuoteQuoteYou might have had a point, had the stuff that has come out on Martin not been from school reports and other means like his other twitter account, where hitting a bus driver is mentioned. Contrast to DD-esque claims of racism that are more than shot down by Zimmerman's defense of Sherman Ware. Yup, you put a lot of stock into a twitter account, but discount Zimmerman's prior arrest record. And you put a lot of stock in an arrest that resulted in dropped charges, while discounting evidence against Martin. QuoteAnything to help you fit things into your own view of the world. You are like Speaker's Corner's version of Fox News. Anything to help you fit things into your own view of the world. You are like Speaker's Corner's version of MSNBC.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #1115 April 10, 2012 QuoteAnything to help you fit things into your own view of the world. You are like Speaker's Corner's version of MSNBC. that's just mean - Dekker doesn't show pie charts ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #1116 April 10, 2012 Quote that's just mean - Dekker doesn't show pie charts Pie is good. I like strawberry-rhubarb.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #1117 April 10, 2012 QuoteQuote that's just mean - Dekker doesn't show pie charts Pie is good. I like strawberry-rhubarb. Good choice! MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 362 #1118 April 10, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteYou might have had a point, had the stuff that has come out on Martin not been from school reports and other means like his other twitter account, where hitting a bus driver is mentioned. Contrast to DD-esque claims of racism that are more than shot down by Zimmerman's defense of Sherman Ware. Yup, you put a lot of stock into a twitter account, but discount Zimmerman's prior arrest record. And you put a lot of stock in an arrest that resulted in dropped charges, while discounting evidence against Martin.As has been pointed out to you before, charges against Zimmerman were NOT dropped. As a first time offender, he was allowed to enter into a pre-diversion program. Details of such programs in Florida are given here. If the defendant successfully completes a program of counseling, monitoring for drug use, and community service, charges are dismissed. This program is a "second chance" for qualifying defendants following their first arrest, but it is completely disingenuous to describe the program as "charges were dropped". By just asserting that "charges were dropped", you are obviously trying to imply that the arrest was without merit, and whitewash the fact that Zimmerman had to complete a period of court supervision/counseling/community service. All part and parcel of your campaign to portray Zimmerman as the choir-boy victim of a senseless unprovoked attack by Martin as Martin returned from his quest to load up on Skittles and iced tea drugs. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wlsc 0 #1119 April 10, 2012 His latest story is that Trayvon was pushed out the door and told to act suspicious by his family, knowing he was likely to be shot dead and they could then claim all the money they could get their evil hands on. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #1120 April 10, 2012 QuoteAs has been pointed out to you before, charges against Zimmerman were NOT dropped. Stop bothering Mike with the truth, he is simply not interested. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wlsc 0 #1121 April 10, 2012 ...In a press conference in front of the Sanford, Fla., courthouse on Tuesday afternoon, George Zimmerman's two attorneys, Craig Sonner and Hal Uhrig, announced that they were withdrawing from the case. They stated that they'd lost contact with Zimmerman as of Sunday, and can no longer "ethically" serve as his attorneys. The decision seemed to hinge in part on the fact that Zimmerman did an end-run on Sonner and Uhrig by putting up a website on Monday asking for donations via PayPal. Sonner and Uhrig said they'd already been working on a website for Zimmerman and publicizing it to national media outlets, but that Zimmerman moved forward without their knowledge and has since fallen out of contact. Sonner told reporters that Zimmerman allegedly since called Sean Hannity directly and had an off-the-record conversation with the Fox News anchor... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #1122 April 10, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteYou might have had a point, had the stuff that has come out on Martin not been from school reports and other means like his other twitter account, where hitting a bus driver is mentioned. Contrast to DD-esque claims of racism that are more than shot down by Zimmerman's defense of Sherman Ware. Yup, you put a lot of stock into a twitter account, but discount Zimmerman's prior arrest record. And you put a lot of stock in an arrest that resulted in dropped charges, while discounting evidence against Martin.As has been pointed out to you before, charges against Zimmerman were NOT dropped. As a first time offender, he was allowed to enter into a pre-diversion program. Details of such programs in Florida are given here. If the defendant successfully completes a program of counseling, monitoring for drug use, and community service, charges are dismissed. This program is a "second chance" for qualifying defendants following their first arrest, but it is completely disingenuous to describe the program as "charges were dropped". So is describing pushing an undercover cop as a violent assault - yet you and the rest have NO qualms with that, now do you? QuoteBy just asserting that "charges were dropped", you are obviously trying to imply that the arrest was without merit, and whitewash the fact that Zimmerman had to complete a period of court supervision/counseling/community service. All part and parcel of your campaign to portray Zimmerman as the choir-boy victim of a senseless unprovoked attack by Martin as Martin returned from his quest to load up on Skittles and iced tea drugs. By describing pushing an undercover cop as a violent assault, you are obviously trying to imply that the arrest proves Zimmerman has issue with violence. All part and parcel of your campaign to portray Zimmerman as a thug bent on violence/murder. And thanks for proving the point about the drugs thing - after all, he *was* suspended for drug materials/residue, at least this time. Funny how you don't have anything to say about his defense of Ware, Don - why's that, I wonder?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #1123 April 10, 2012 QuoteQuoteAs has been pointed out to you before, charges against Zimmerman were NOT dropped. Stop bothering Mike with the truth, he is simply not interested. Yup, he was *SOOOOOOOO* violent he was put in a diversion program...the horrors! Funny how none of you have a thing to say about Zimmerman's defense of Ware, a homeless black man that had been beaten by a white policeman's son. Oh, wait... that doesn't fit the "truth" about Zimmerman and the cops all being racist and in on the deal, does it?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #1124 April 10, 2012 QuoteSo is describing pushing an undercover cop as a violent assault - I didn't describe it as a violent assault. Are you creating strawmen again? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #1125 April 10, 2012 QuoteYup, he was *SOOOOOOOO* violent he was put in a diversion program...the horrors! Not the same as having the charges dropped. You were wrong as usual. And even when you are this obviously wrong, you cannot admit it and just create another strawman. Fox News indeed. QuoteOh, wait... that doesn't fit the "truth" about Zimmerman and the cops all being racist and in on the deal, does it? First I am hearing of it. If that is what Zimemrman did, good for him! I don't know what the truth is in the case between Zimmerman and Martin. Waiting to see what the outcome of all of this is. Something you seem to be unable to do for yourself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
