Gravitymaster 0 #1551 April 20, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI could see how a 6' 1" 210lb 17 year old athlete could beat his head on the concrete very easily. nonsense, the only pictures I've seen of Martin shows someone that can't be any older than 14 and about 140 pounds - frankly, just a baby That photo they keep using is from when he was 12. Martin was either 6' or slightly taller, depending on source. His weight is generally reported as 160#. I refuse to believe you, no respectable national news station would so blatantly mislead the public. next thing you'll be telling me that they are showing pictures of Zimmerman from when he was fat and wearing something that implies a prison uniform or, you'll even be telling me that they only use pictures from national disasters of the absolute worst damage they can find hell, you'll likely even tell me that fashion magazine 'touch up' pictures of models to improve sales...... We all know that only Fox News would do something like that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toolbox 0 #1552 April 20, 2012 I love sarcasm. You could call me a connoisseur of sorts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toolbox 0 #1553 April 20, 2012 Are you trying to convince us that a much larger,stronger,and more aggressive person would not be able to severely injure (even fataly) a much smaller weaker person? You still believe in the tooth ferry don't you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #1554 April 20, 2012 Perhaps, (assuming the media are not trying to give the false impression of Martin's maturity), the reason could be explained by a lack of good recent still photos of Martin. All the recent images I have seen are videos, (one of the Fight Club, and the other where he is showing off his dental grills), and captures from the videos."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #1555 April 20, 2012 QuoteThere is zero evidence to support who started any altercation. The only testimony as to who started the physical altercation is Zimmerman's. Which isn't really objective. But as to who stated the entire situation? Who started following whom? Who made the assumptions that whom was "up to something", "on something", and "going to get away with it"? I see this as similar to starting an argument, that then turns into a fight. If someone starts shit, provokes someone into starting a fight, and then pulls a gun out when they start getting their ass kicked... Is that self defense? Case law says no. Provocation can begin well before any physical contact. As Georgia Don noted, this is going to come down to the question of who really started the incident. And when was the real beginning of it. If Zimmerman's lawyer can convince a jury that the "following in the car and pursuing on foot" part was seperate from the "fight that ended up in a shooting" part, then he may be aquitted. If the prosecutor can convince the jury that the entire situation was created by Zimmerman deciding that Martin was a criminal who needed to be caught, then Zimmerman may be in a lot of trouble."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #1556 April 20, 2012 QuoteAn interpretation of the law that says anyone can pick a fight, then resort to lethal force if things start to go badly, would absolutely turn "stand your ground" into "make my day". You're making the large assumption that Zimmerman started the fist fight to base your argument on. Regardless - you're in a fist fight with another person; are you *really* saying that you're supposed to just let him kill you when he starts bashing your head into the concrete?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wlsc 0 #1557 April 20, 2012 QuoteQuoteAn interpretation of the law that says anyone can pick a fight, then resort to lethal force if things start to go badly, would absolutely turn "stand your ground" into "make my day". You're making the large assumption that Zimmerman started the fist fight to base your argument on. Regardless - you're in a fist fight with another person; are you *really* saying that you're supposed to just let him kill you when he starts bashing your head into the concrete? According to Zimmerman. Who 'went for his phone'. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #1558 April 20, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteAn interpretation of the law that says anyone can pick a fight, then resort to lethal force if things start to go badly, would absolutely turn "stand your ground" into "make my day". You're making the large assumption that Zimmerman started the fist fight to base your argument on. Regardless - you're in a fist fight with another person; are you *really* saying that you're supposed to just let him kill you when he starts bashing your head into the concrete? According to Zimmerman. Who 'went for his phone'. Answer the question.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wlsc 0 #1559 April 20, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteAn interpretation of the law that says anyone can pick a fight, then resort to lethal force if things start to go badly, would absolutely turn "stand your ground" into "make my day". You're making the large assumption that Zimmerman started the fist fight to base your argument on. Regardless - you're in a fist fight with another person; are you *really* saying that you're supposed to just let him kill you when he starts bashing your head into the concrete? According to Zimmerman. Who 'went for his phone'. Answer the question. According to Zimmerman, the killer, he was being bashed. We don't know that yet. Didn't look like his nose was broken. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #1560 April 20, 2012 Quote the tooth ferry is that the little boat that dentists use to transport teeth across the bay? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #1561 April 20, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteAn interpretation of the law that says anyone can pick a fight, then resort to lethal force if things start to go badly, would absolutely turn "stand your ground" into "make my day". You're making the large assumption that Zimmerman started the fist fight to base your argument on. Regardless - you're in a fist fight with another person; are you *really* saying that you're supposed to just let him kill you when he starts bashing your head into the concrete? According to Zimmerman. Who 'went for his phone'. Answer the question. According to Zimmerman, the killer, he was being bashed. We don't know that yet. Didn't look like his nose was broken. The question doesn't say "Zimmerman", Kevin, it says "you". Try again.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #1562 April 20, 2012 QuoteQuoteThere is zero evidence to support who started any altercation. The only testimony as to who started the physical altercation is Zimmerman's. Which isn't really objective. But as to who stated the entire situation? Who started following whom? Who made the assumptions that whom was "up to something", "on something", and "going to get away with it"? I see this as similar to starting an argument, that then turns into a fight. If someone starts shit, provokes someone into starting a fight, and then pulls a gun out when they start getting their ass kicked... Is that self defense? Case law says no. Provocation can begin well before any physical contact. As Georgia Don noted, this is going to come down to the question of who really started the incident. And when was the real beginning of it. If Zimmerman's lawyer can convince a jury that the "following in the car and pursuing on foot" part was seperate from the "fight that ended up in a shooting" part, then he may be aquitted. If the prosecutor can convince the jury that the entire situation was created by Zimmerman deciding that Martin was a criminal who needed to be caught, then Zimmerman may be in a lot of trouble. Following and or watching are not crimes IF Matrin acted on these actions, Zimmerman is inocent"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #1563 April 20, 2012 Oh, and yes The situation you described would be self defense"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 801 #1564 April 20, 2012 How the hell does ANYBODY know what his nose 'looked like'??? The state even declined during today's hearing to take the medical records that document Mr. Zimmerman's injuries. ETA - after this morning's laughable statements by the investigating cop that swore and affirmed the charging affidavit in that he has no clue where those comments in the affidavit came from.....wouldn't surprise me in the least for the court to vacate the affidavit. He came across as more of a "yes man" than a factual, legal investigator. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #1565 April 20, 2012 >is that the little boat that dentists use to transport teeth across the bay? That would be the teeth ferry. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #1566 April 20, 2012 Quote>is that the little boat that dentists use to transport teeth across the bay? That would be the teeth ferry. thanks, I understand now. the tooth fairy (or tooth faerie) will collect each tooth one at a time from little boys and girls once he gathers a full load, he would then deliver them to the teeth ferry captain that would then transport them on the teeth ferry across the bay. I assume there's a factory on that side where each of the teeth are put into the spray paint cans. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #1567 April 20, 2012 QuoteThe reliability and impartiality of the eye witnesses is what the dispute is about. You clearly are believing them because you want to. And you are ignoring the police and the paramedics because you want to..... BTW http://abcnews.go.com/images/US/ht_george_zimmerman_head_dm_120419_wmain.jpg Seems to support Zimmermans case AND the police and paramedics report AND the witnesses statements. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #1568 April 20, 2012 Quote...Is it really surprising that a black person, particularly someone like Holder who is old enough to have some personal memory of segregation, would take personal offense to trivializing black history in this manner? He was born in the early 50s in NYC. He went to gifted schools that were mostly white, then Columbia. He did not have the personal memories that blacks a half generation younger had, or those in the south. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #1569 April 20, 2012 QuoteThere was no self-defense Hey look... Judge and jury right here. QuoteI highly suspect that if you're unarmed walking down a road and some guy starts following you with a gun, you will either A) Try to run, or B) Let him get close enough and then look to defend yourself using force. Wouldn't that be self defense? I thought you said there was no self defense here? Fact is that, if anything, there was too much self defense here not a lack of it. QuoteI find it slightly humorous how the people who are trying to argue self-defense don't seem to think that it's self-defense when someone hits an armed person when they approach you in a street at night. I can assure you that in that situation most will be thinking the armed stranger approaching you is putting you under threat. I find it humorous that people claim there is no self defense, then use self defense as a reason why there was no self defense. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #1570 April 20, 2012 QuoteI made no claim to know what went on, but I am saying that even if what Zimmerman claims is true on the basic level (that he followed the kid and was was then hit), the actions of assaulting him would be completely justified. No, sorry. Florida law does not allow you to strike a person because you think he is following you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #1571 April 20, 2012 QuoteQuoteI made no claim to know what went on, but I am saying that even if what Zimmerman claims is true on the basic level (that he followed the kid and was was then hit), the actions of assaulting him would be completely justified. No, sorry. Florida law does not allow you to strike a person because you think he is following you. Not even if you KNOW he is following you"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #1572 April 20, 2012 QuoteFollowing and or watching are not crimes right...I remember many altercations in detroit that were started simply because somebody was looking at someone the "wrong way."Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #1573 April 20, 2012 Quotewhy shoot to kill? Because shooting for any other reason is not a reason to shoot. 1. If you think your life is in danger, you don't have the time to pull off a trick shot. 2. If you have the time to pull off a trick shot... your life is not in danger. 3. When your life is in danger, the chance of you being able to pull off a trick shot is astronomical. Shooting to wound is next to impossible, might not stop an attacker, and legally is actually harder to defend your actions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #1574 April 20, 2012 Quote Quote Following and or watching are not crimes right...I remember many altercations in detroit that were started simply because somebody was looking at someone the "wrong way." Ah yes the ole stink eye Opps didn't mean to give you one "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #1575 April 20, 2012 QuoteQuotewhy shoot to kill? Because shooting for any other reason is not a reason to shoot. 1. If you think your life is in danger, you don't have the time to pull off a trick shot. 2. If you have the time to pull off a trick shot... your life is not in danger. 3. When your life is in danger, the chance of you being able to pull off a trick shot is astronomical. Shooting to wound is next to impossible, might not stop an attacker, and legally is actually harder to defend your actions. And actually I was taught to shoot until the threat is eliminated Not to shoot to kill"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
