Florida Teen Shot

[Coreece 190]

once again I have to apologize for my mouth...I don't know why I let things get to me like that...I need to learn how to control my anger and depression a little better...this just sux, I'm gonna be away from my family for another 2 months...it's gonna be tough. It might be a good time for a self imposed banning...

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

[mnealtx 0]

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Zinnemann isn't white? Really?

I've been reading about the "WHITE Hispanic" in the media since the story broke.

You've been seeing picture of Martin as a 12 year old the whole time, too. Funny how the media didn't say anything about the WHITE African American President claiming "If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon". Obviously, having a WHITE parent is *so* vitally important that it had to be emphasized, right?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[DaVinci 0]

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It's fun to watch the Zimmerman supporters try to redefine words to support their case.

It is fun to watch the Martin supporters try to ignore things like a head wound and pretend that a dispatchers suggestion is the same as a lawful order.

[normiss 803]

Almost seems like some folks would rather a young black male beat a hispanic male to death as opposed to allowing us to defend ourselves.
If this case had went that way, it wouldn't be newsworthy.
(assuming the media wouldn't have tweaked the story like they have...)

[DaVinci 0]

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Just for the record, I'm not a supporter of either party in this.

Your posts say otherwise.

[DaVinci 0]

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I'm glad Zimmerman got a reasonable bail

How many people do you know that have 15k lying around?

[DaVinci 0]

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Almost seems like some folks would rather a young black male beat a hispanic male to death as opposed to allowing us to defend ourselves.

That is exactly what they want. Look at Feinstein, she is trying to stop a reciprocity bill even though she used to carry a gun for protection and is now protected by a bunch of guys carrying guns.

[wlsc 0]

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Niggers are guilty. Jews run shit. You don't understand.

You're troubled.

[kelpdiver 2]

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I'm glad Zimmerman got a reasonable bail

How many people do you know that have 15k lying around?

for a second degree murder charge, it's pretty reasonable. With the new economy, everyone should have 6 months in living expenses in liquid form.

[mirage62 0]

I guess no protest on his getting out? Maybe just arresting him really was all that the TM group wanted and the wheels of the legal system will turn?

Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

[wmw999 2,452]

If Zimmerman were a police officer, there would be some sort of official review of his deadly use of a firearm. To me, that's what at the very least a presentation to a grand jury would be.

Just having the officers on the scene say "good shoot, man" isn't enough for the police, who have a significant amount of training in the use of deadly force in law enforcement. It shouldn't be for private citizens who are acting as neighborhood patrols, either.

I really, really hope that any subsequent findings don't lead to riots.

Had there been a more formalized response to the original situation, a whole lot of escalation wouldn't have happened.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[normiss 803]

Oh no, there's plenty of emotional garbage with zero facts being spewed by the decedent's family lawyer.
It's actually growing tiresome.
They will not stop with the bitching that simply because he was black, this is a racial issue.
I still say it isn't and wasn't until the "don't know what to call the reverse color racism rights supporters that are media whores" came to town. By the busloads.

[wlsc 0]

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Oh no, there's plenty of emotional garbage with zero facts being spewed by the decedent's family lawyer.
It's actually growing tiresome.
They will not stop with the bitching that simply because he was black, this is a racial issue.
I still say it isn't and wasn't until the "don't know what to call the reverse color racism rights supporters that are media whores" came to town. By the busloads.

It became a racial issue when Zimmerman profiled his victim before shooting him.

[matthewcline 0]

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Oh no, there's plenty of emotional garbage with zero facts being spewed by the decedent's family lawyer.
It's actually growing tiresome.
They will not stop with the bitching that simply because he was black, this is a racial issue.
I still say it isn't and wasn't until the "don't know what to call the reverse color racism rights supporters that are media whores" came to town. By the busloads.

It became a racial issue when Zimmerman profiled his victim before shooting him.

Sure, if you want to discount the actual recording when he was asked about a description.

The recording, I think, actually meets the burden of "evidence", where as the family lawyers comments and opinions, as well as those from lawmakers and social unrest instigators, does not.

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

[rushmc 23]

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If Zimmerman were a police officer, there would be some sort of official review of his deadly use of a firearm. To me, that's what at the very least a presentation to a grand jury would be.

Just having the officers on the scene say "good shoot, man" isn't enough for the police, who have a significant amount of training in the use of deadly force in law enforcement. It shouldn't be for private citizens who are acting as neighborhood patrols, either.

I really, really hope that any subsequent findings don't lead to riots.

Had there been a more formalized response to the original situation, a whole lot of escalation wouldn't have happened.

Wendy P.

They took Zimmerman to the police office and questioned him for 5 hours
then they turned him loose

O'Mara made the officer look like an idiot at the bail hearing where he stated, after all the investigation they found NO evidence to counter the claims made by Zimmerman that he returned to his vehicle and that Martin confronted Zimmerman

An investigation that included statements from multiple witnesses

His arrest at this time is political IMO

Oh, and she did not send the info to a grand jury

The reason (according to many lawyers) is she knew that a grand jury would not have returned anything

That would not have been a good fit for her career plans I think

At least it looks that way at this time

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[normiss 803]

Thanks for a solid verification of what I said.

[wlsc 0]

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Oh no, there's plenty of emotional garbage with zero facts being spewed by the decedent's family lawyer.
It's actually growing tiresome.
They will not stop with the bitching that simply because he was black, this is a racial issue.
I still say it isn't and wasn't until the "don't know what to call the reverse color racism rights supporters that are media whores" came to town. By the busloads.

It became a racial issue when Zimmerman profiled his victim before shooting him.

Sure, if you want to discount the actual recording when he was asked about a description.

He thought the black guy was suspicious and 'they always get away with it'. If Trayvon had been white then Zimmerman wouldn't have followed and shot him. If Trayvon had been white then the police would have done a proper investigation and charges would have been brought at the time.

[kallend 2,027]

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Just for the record, I'm not a supporter of either party in this.

Your posts say otherwise.

Whatever myth gets you through the day.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[normiss 803]

What are you smoking?

Just love how people flat out ignore evidence and instead choose emotion in a legal case.

[rushmc 23]

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What are you smoking?

Just love how people flat out ignore evidence and instead choose emotion in a legal case.

If the evidence was hitting him in the head he would have to kill it in self defense

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[normiss 803]

It would depend on the color of the evidence apparently.

[ryoder 1,590]

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They took Zimmerman to the police office and questioned him for 5 hours
then they turned him loose

O'Mara made the officer look like an idiot at the bail hearing where he stated, after all the investigation they found NO evidence to counter the claims made by Zimmerman that he returned to his vehicle and that Martin confronted Zimmerman

An investigation that included statements from multiple witnesses

His arrest at this time is political IMO

Oh, and she did not send the info to a grand jury

The reason (according to many lawyers) is she knew that a grand jury would not have returned anything

That would not have been a good fit for her career plans I think

At least it looks that way at this time

Good summary!

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[rushmc 23]

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Just for the record, I'm not a supporter of either party in this.

Your posts say otherwise.

Whatever myth gets you through the day.

2nd post of the thread

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Well, Florida's "stand your ground" law turns out to be a "get of of jail free" law. Just shoot someone with no witnesses around, and claim self defense.

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So the neighbors are circling the wagons. Got it.

Post 733 (spredin the lies)

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Apparently Martin was 140 pounds and Zimmerman is 250 pounds.

I'm sure I'd pick a fight with someone nearly twice my weight. Sure.

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Don't make up strawmen. I have made my position very clear. Sloppy police work has cast doubt on any version of the sequence of events.

Post 652 ( you sure stuck on the no injuries line for a long time)

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He sure didn't look like someone who'd been beaten up to the extent of believing his life in danger.

If his injuries were so bad (broken nose, cuts), why wasn't he taken to an emergency room?

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I know that a black kid carrying groceries was shot dead by a vigilante who claims self defense.

Just about everything else is "he said she said".

And the list goes on......

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Gravitymaster 0]

Ouch, that's going to leave a bruise.

Someone call a Waaaaahmbulance.

[wlsc 0]

Meanwhile Zimmerman has been charged. Which is what should have happened in the first place.