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[kelpdiver 2]

a mind is like a parachute - only works when its open.

(folks, keep em coming)

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Perjury is perjury. She perjured herself. Period. So did Clinton, although I would argue that Clinton should not have been forced to testify against himself in the first place. Either way, why is lying about a BJ different from lying about a bank account?

I thought is was you right-wingers who were supposed to believe in moral absolutism.

I wonder where you come up with these assumptions and wrong conclusions. Perjury is perjury. Z's wife was charged correctly and she will have to own up to her crime.

The rest of your post is too off the wall to even respond to.

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no because the country does not actually carer about someone lying about a blowjob - nor should they.

Now lying about why you killed someone? That MIGHT be a little different.

The difference between the two situations is an order of magnitude. unless of course you are a right winger with a perfect record on all aspects of your life......

Who did Z's wife kill.

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no because the country does not actually carer about someone lying about a blowjob - nor should they.

Now lying about why you killed someone? That MIGHT be a little different.

The difference between the two situations is an order of magnitude. unless of course you are a right winger with a perfect record on all aspects of your life......

actually, when one of the people involved is in authority above the other, many people do care. Issues like sexual harassment or abuse, etc. It may even be against the law if it affects working conditions, no?

If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead.
Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

[tkhayes 348]

it is still and order of magnitude of difference between the two situations.

And if Clinton and Z lied, then they are both douchbags, IMO

It's pretty freaking easy to get someone to stand up and say something about a President or a candidate's past - both parties openly lie about those things every campaign.

Herman Cain - old girlfriends-done. John Kerry and swift boat. Obama - he's a Muslim. Reagan - lie about Iran Contra. Bush - authorized torture.

as I said, an order of magnitude between the two

[rushmc 23]

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the hate in you is so strong.

where and when? - you have no idea about anything about me.

I have asked for nothing more than Z gets arrested, charged and jury decides his fate.

bald faced lies. You already convicted him in your mind, and take considerable glee in any misfortune that occurs to him or anyone around him. No collateral damage is too much. And no evidence will ever change your viewpoint.

He cant help himself

He thinks Clinton lied about getting a bj too

That right there says tons

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

What did Clinton lie about? Maybe my memory is failing.

- Dan G

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What did Clinton lie about? Maybe my memory is failing.

The lie was about a sexual harrasment case. Not related to ML at all

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

I think you should refresh your memory. Relevant passage from wiki:

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The charges arose from an investigation by Independent Counsel Ken Starr. Originally dealing with the failed land deal years earlier known as Whitewater, Starr, with the approval of United States Attorney General Janet Reno, conducted a wide ranging investigation of alleged abuses including the firing of White House travel agents, the alleged misuse of FBI files, and Bill Clinton's conduct during the sexual harassment lawsuit filed by a former Arkansas government employee, Paula Jones. In the course of the investigation, Linda Tripp provided Starr with taped phone conversations in which Monica Lewinsky, a former White House Intern, discussed having oral sex with Clinton. At the deposition, the judge ordered a precise legal definition of the term "sexual relations"[2] that Clinton claims to have construed to mean only vaginal intercourse. A much-quoted statement from Clinton's grand jury testimony showed him questioning the precise use of the word "is." Contending that his statement that "there's nothing going on between us" had been truthful because he had no ongoing relationship with Lewinsky at the time he was questioned, Clinton said, "It depends upon what the meaning of the word 'is' is. If the—if he—if 'is' means is and never has been, that is not—that is one thing. If it means there is none, that was a completely true statement".[3] Starr obtained further evidence of inappropriate behaviour by seizing the computer hard drive and email records of Monica Lewinsky. Based on his conflicting testimony, Starr concluded that Clinton had committed perjury. Starr submitted his findings to Congress in a lengthy document (the so-called Starr Report), and simultaneously posted the report on the internet, replete with lurid descriptions of encounters between Clinton and Lewinsky.[4] Starr was criticised by Democrats for spending $70 million in an investigation that substantiated only perjury and obstruction of justice.[5] Critics of Starr also contend that his investigation was highly politicized because it regularly leaked tidbits of information to the press, in violation of legal ethics, and because his report included lengthy descriptions which were humiliating yet irrelevant to the legal case.[6][7]

- Dan G

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What did Clinton lie about? Maybe my memory is failing.

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In April 1999, about two months after being acquitted by the Senate, Clinton was cited by Federal District Judge Susan Webber Wright for civil contempt of court for his "willful failure" to obey her repeated orders to testify truthfully in the Paula Jones sexual harassment lawsuit. For this citation, Clinton was assessed a $90,000 fine, and the matter was referred to the Arkansas Supreme Court to see if disciplinary action would be appropriate.[24]

Regarding Clinton's January 17, 1998, deposition where he was placed under oath, the judge wrote:


"Simply put, the president's deposition testimony regarding whether he had ever been alone with Ms. (Monica) Lewinsky was intentionally false, and his statements regarding whether he had ever engaged in sexual relations with Ms. Lewinsky likewise were intentionally false...."[24]

In January 2001, on the day before leaving office, Clinton agreed to a five-year suspension of his Arkansas law license as part of an agreement with the independent counsel[clarification needed] to end the investigation. Based on this suspension, Clinton was automatically suspended from the United States Supreme Court bar, from which he then chose to resign.[25]

From Wiki.

[DanG 1]

Like I said, he lied about getting a BJ (technically multiple BJs). From Lewinski.

- Dan G

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Like I said, he lied about getting a BJ (technically multiple BJs). From Lewinski.

After all these years, if that's what you still think it was about, then I hardly know what to say. Perjury is perjury. The justifications don't matter. Ask TK, he can explain it to you.

[DanG 1]

Work on your reading comprehension skills. I said upthread that perjury is perjury and is wrong. The simple fact is, Clinton lied about his relationship with Lewinski. That what the impeachment and subsequent censure were about.

- Dan G

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Clinton was cited by Federal District Judge Susan Webber Wright for civil contempt of court for his "willful failure" to obey her repeated orders to testify truthfully in the Paula Jones sexual harassment lawsuit.

THIS, is what he got in trouble for

Not ML and the bj

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

Jesus fucking Christ. The lies he told under oath were about ML and the BJ. I never said he got in trouble for getting a BJ, I said he got in trouble for lying about the BJ.

In the same way, the Zimmermans are not in trouble for having money, they are in trouble for lying about it.

Try reading what people say sometime. It would save us all a lot of trouble.

- Dan G

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Now lying about why you killed someone? That MIGHT be a little different.

And that might mean something if she was being charged with anything close to murder... But she is not.

Fact is that if the race baiters didn't create the outrage that this case might have already been settled. There would have been no website to get donations to fight a court battle that would not have happened.

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The difference between the two situations is an order of magnitude. unless of course you are a right winger with a perfect record on all aspects of your life......

Or a left winger that thinks he knows what is best for everyone else......

[kelpdiver 2]

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Work on your reading comprehension skills. I said upthread that perjury is perjury and is wrong. The simple fact is, Clinton lied about his relationship with Lewinski. That what the impeachment and subsequent censure were about.

to be more precise and honest, he lied about having a sexual relationship with a subordinate which was a critical component to getting a sexual harassment suit against him dismissed. When said perjury was exposed, Paula Jones got a new trial, and a fat settlement from Clinton to make it go away. Not terribly different from Zimmerman getting his bail revoked after the cash deposits were revealed...save the fact that the bail money doesn't really have much significance to the crime he is accused of.

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And that might mean something if she was being charged with anything close to murder... But she is not.

And now we have wandered away from the thread. (again)

My posts and comments had nothing to do with Clinton, yet I managed to let myself get dragged down the path.

It also had nothing to do with Z's wife until a couple days ago when she LIED to the court.

My comments (which you apparently have not bothered reading, but I would expect no less) had to do with both of them being douchebags for lying to the court.

I did not bring Clinton into the argument. But yes, lying about a MURDER C ASE is far more significant than lying about a BLOWJOB case. whatever way you want to spin it.

And no she is not charged with MURDER. but her husband sure as hell is and if she is going to LIE to the court, then in fact she is LYING while involved in a MURDER case.

just in case you had obviously missed all of the possible clarifications that could have been made.

Once again, very slowly so you do not miss it. I actually believe that Z and his wife had a walk-away case of self defense. They have to say nothing and the state has to prove the crime.

It light of their blatant attempts to be as stupid as any defendant could possibly be in destroying their own credibility - they are IMO- douchebags.

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Clinton perjured himself during testimony before a grand jury


For what case was Clinton testifying?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

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For what case was Clinton testifying?

He was testifying in the Paula Jones case.

Here's one for you: What was he testifying about?

- Dan G

[rushmc 23]

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For what case was Clinton testifying?

He was testifying in the Paula Jones case.

Here's one for you: What was he testifying about?

The line of questioning was based on his habitual bad treatment of women (IE:harrasment)

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

Nice try. When he perjured himself he was being asked specifically about his relationship with Monica Lewinski.

You're full of it, just admit it.

- Dan G

[rushmc 23]

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Nice try. When he perjured himself he was being asked specifically about his relationship with Monica Lewinski.

You're full of it, just admit it.

That was one of the topics where he fucked himself

He needed only tell the truth and it would have been over


I am full of it alright

"It" = Truth

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kelpdiver 2]

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Nice try. When he perjured himself he was being asked specifically about his relationship with Monica Lewinski.

You're full of it, just admit it.

so explain to us why this omission of fact lead to a new trial for Paula Jones, then.

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Ya know, if Clinton had never lied about that BJ, then Zimmerman might have had more faith in the law. And then he might have just stayed in his vehicle on that fateful night to wait for the police, and this thread would never have existed, and we wouldn't be at 80-something-pages talking about Clinton getting a BJ.

Fucking Democrats.