mnealtx 0 #2201 June 15, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Perhaps, you should judge a man's life more than just beeing a "thug" without any proof. How do you know he was a thug?? Well, he wasn't a model student, that much is rather clear. Is it? And that means what, again? It means that when he's sitting on your chest and slamming the back of your head into a concrete sidewalk, it's probably not a prelude to inviting you over for some Girl Scout cookies.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #2202 June 15, 2012 Quote .... chest and slamming the back of your head into a concrete sidewalk, it's probably not a prelude to inviting you over for some Girl Scout cookies. Oh really? You've been there, you've seen it? Who's witnessed it?? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #2203 June 15, 2012 >Who witnessed it?? He did. Haven't you read his posts? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #2204 June 15, 2012 Quote Quote .... chest and slamming the back of your head into a concrete sidewalk, it's probably not a prelude to inviting you over for some Girl Scout cookies. Oh really? You've been there, you've seen it? Who witnessed it?? Several eyewitnesses did. Seriously, if you know that little about the case, why the hell are you even commenting on it?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #2205 June 15, 2012 Quote>Who witnessed it?? He did. Haven't you read his posts? And going by your posts, you were there to hear Zimmerman tell Martin "time to die". Best watch your glass house if you're going to throw stones, bill.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #2206 June 15, 2012 Quote Quote Quote .... chest and slamming the back of your head into a concrete sidewalk, it's probably not a prelude to inviting you over for some Girl Scout cookies. Oh really? You've been there, you've seen it? Who witnessed it?? Several eyewitnesses did. Seriously, if you know that little about the case, why the hell are you even commenting on it? How about you, little Mikey? Oh wait - what do you know what others don't??? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #2207 June 15, 2012 QuoteHow is this related to a thug in florida getting shot? Ah, nice play to get the conversation away from B.C.'s BJ. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #2208 June 15, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote .... chest and slamming the back of your head into a concrete sidewalk, it's probably not a prelude to inviting you over for some Girl Scout cookies. Oh really? You've been there, you've seen it? Who witnessed it?? Several eyewitnesses did. Seriously, if you know that little about the case, why the hell are you even commenting on it? How about you, little Mikey? Oh wait - what do you know what others don't??? That others don't? Probably not that much, since we're limited to what the attorneys and news organs report. Compared to what *you* know? Evidently quite a lot.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skypuppy 1 #2209 June 16, 2012 Quote Quote .... chest and slamming the back of your head into a concrete sidewalk, it's probably not a prelude to inviting you over for some Girl Scout cookies. Oh really? You've been there, you've seen it? Who's witnessed it?? You can't be serious. You mean his record is all made up. It was a big conspiracy... Right.If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #2210 June 16, 2012 >You mean his record is all made up. It was a big conspiracy... Right. Nope. Neither Zimmerman's record nor Martin's record was "made up." But only Zimmerman has a history of violence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skypuppy 1 #2211 June 16, 2012 not true.If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #2212 June 16, 2012 Quote not true. He knows that"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #2213 June 17, 2012 SYG takes another hit in the press. Yep....it's a FANTASTIC law.... http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/criminal/drug-dealer-used-stand-your-ground-to-avoid-charges-in-two-killings/1235650 But at least it's not a 'gun problem' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #2214 June 17, 2012 Quote SYG takes another hit in the press. Yep....it's a FANTASTIC law.... http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/criminal/drug-dealer-used-stand-your-ground-to-avoid-charges-in-two-killings/1235650 But at least it's not a 'gun problem' I agree with your assessment here. Cause you are right that it took a hit in the PRESS. And the press being what it is today (left wing Obama shills) no one who thinks would take it serious"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #2215 June 17, 2012 I agree with your assessment here. Cause you are right that it took a hit in the PRESS. And the press being what it is today (left wing Obama shills) no one who thinks would take it serious *** So what you are saying then is that a drug dealer did NOT shoot two people and get away with it? you're crazier than I thought..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #2216 June 17, 2012 Quote I agree with your assessment here. Cause you are right that it took a hit in the PRESS. And the press being what it is today (left wing Obama shills) no one who thinks would take it serious *** So what you are saying then is that a drug dealer did NOT shoot two people and get away with it? you're crazier than I thought..... Nope I am agreeing that the press did another hit job Go figure"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #2217 June 18, 2012 This isn't a SYG law issue, it is the Prosecutor and Judge misapplying a SYG law in to a drug deal gone bad shooting (and if drugs were not illegal maybe no shooting, and no point in the debate, but alas). Maybe the State Legislature should tighten up the SYG laws, or since as I read them they are pretty tight, the State AG should remind the Judges how the laws SHOULD be applied. And yep, your right, it wasn't a legal gun issue. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #2218 June 18, 2012 Quote...it is the Prosecutor and Judge misapplying a SYG law... In which direction are they misapplying it? If you ask the demographic, ask the State Senate, ask the judges and ask the prosecutors, I expect you will get a split on how they think it should be applied. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #2219 June 18, 2012 A drug dealer in the commission of a drug deal, if I understand the laws intent, is not protected by SYG. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #2220 June 18, 2012 Quote So what you are saying then is that a drug dealer did NOT shoot two people and get away with it? you're crazier than I thought..... He got sent to prison on the second one - not exactly getting away with it. Don't quibble- it's your own hand picked example. And for a guy who has lied repeatedly about just wanting a trial for Zimmerman, you show no reluctance to convict this guy by the press accounting. Quote There was no disputing the retaliatory nature of the incident on Dec. 19, 2010. Less than three months after Smith was released from prison, he was in a parking lot across from the Club Elite in Palmetto with a friend. It was about 2:30 a.m. Mitchell, who had been in jail when his half-brother was killed in 2008, approached Smith, pulling a black T-shirt over his face. Mitchell then allegedly fired several shots, hitting Smith in the right forearm. Smith, who had a .357 Magnum, ran across the street toward the nightclub, then fired a couple of shots at Mitchell, who was running away. Smith told police he chased Mitchell, stopped to take aim and fired additional shots. He heard Mitchell scream. not seeing how this is a failed application of SYG. You might dispute the criminal background behind the first incident where some heavies trying to shake him down for a piece of the profits attack him and one dies for it. But it's really a stretch here. He hasn't given up his right to life and self defense because of prior crimes. That's tantamount to a death sentence for dealing. That exceeds sentencing guidelines substantially. I sure hope you aren't regretful that this petty drug dealer killed two other would be killers. Not exactly sympathy garnering victims you've chosen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #2221 June 18, 2012 Quoteit's your own hand picked example I did not pick it. The Tampa Tribune did. I just copied it. Along with the other Tampa article a few weeks ago about the couple hundred incidents that have fallen under SYG. the law is faulty, it is misapplied, it is misinterpreted. As a result, innocent people are dead, guilty people are walking free, and many many cases have different results for given the same circumstances. Well-written laws don't often have this sort of a problem. If you cannot write good laws, then don't write them at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #2222 June 18, 2012 Quotethe law is faulty, it is misapplied, it is misinterpreted. As a result, innocent people are dead This law has caused people to die? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #2223 June 18, 2012 QuoteQuotethe law is faulty, it is misapplied, it is misinterpreted. As a result, innocent people are dead This law has caused people to die? The gun o phobes are getting desperate....."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 800 #2224 June 18, 2012 Surely they will just pass more laws. Clearly, all laws work. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #2225 June 18, 2012 Quote SYG takes another hit in the press. Yep....it's a FANTASTIC law.... http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/criminal/drug-dealer-used-stand-your-ground-to-avoid-charges-in-two-killings/1235650 But at least it's not a 'gun problem' ""I agree this was probably not the class of people lawmakers were trying to protect when they wrote this law," Brown said. "But the law provides a larger umbrella than simply the homeowner that's protecting his house." " What part of that are you railing against? You have a problem with a law that protects everyone rather than just your favorite demographic? It sounds as though you have a problem with a law that helps protect anyone. ...and you are right...it's not a gun problem.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
