sundevil777 102 #2426 July 19, 2012 QuotePeople need to stop blaming the victim It seems that TM was to blame. I do not think TM is the victim. I realize my opinion is not shared by all.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #2427 July 19, 2012 QuoteQuotePeople need to stop blaming the victim It seems that TM was to blame. I do not think TM is the victim. I realize my opinion is not shared by all. One of the few INDISPUTABLE FACTS we have in this case is that TM is dead.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #2428 July 19, 2012 QuoteIn an interview with Fox News host Sean Hannity televised Wednesday, George Zimmerman said he felt the course of the night 17-year-old Trayvon Martin was killed "was all God's plan." Evidently unknown to everyone else, Zimmerman was following God's plan the night he shot and killed TM. That's smart, not only does he try and appeal to Florida's obsession with guns, he tries to appeal to their obsession with God. I guess we'll all have to wait and see what God's plan is for the upcoming juries verdict. God is always keeping us on the edge of our seat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 800 #2429 July 19, 2012 Dammit. God didn't tell everyone this would go to trial. Why are you suddenly so much more special??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #2430 July 19, 2012 Uh oh. I hope someone asked him if he thinks that it is "God's Plan" for other people to die as well . . . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #2431 July 20, 2012 QuoteI didn't say he wasn't "allowed". Your exact words: "Wonder why dad didn't take him to dinner? Punishment? … If he wasn't allowed to dinner, why was he out unknowingly all night long? " QuoteQuestioning one's behavior is not blaming the victim either. You're trying to imply that Martin is somehow at fault for being killed while returning from the store unarmed and minding his own business. That's blaming the victim.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 800 #2432 July 20, 2012 Doh! Those are not the reasons that I think he might be at fault for. Both are victims IMO. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #2433 July 20, 2012 QuoteYou're trying to imply that Martin is somehow at fault for being killed while returning from the store unarmed and minding his own business. That's blaming the victim. I think he is at fault. He was violent and attempting to kill despite not having a weapon. He did not mind his own business. I do not think he is the victim.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #2434 July 20, 2012 QuoteI think he is at fault. He was violent and attempting to kill despite not having a weapon. He did not mind his own business. I do not think he is the victim. That's not the impression I get from what has been published in the media about the incident. However, I recognize that the accounts in the media are unlikely to give an accurate reflection of what happened.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #2435 July 20, 2012 Quote That's not the impression I get from what has been published in the media about the incident. However, I recognize that the accounts in the media are unlikely to give an accurate reflection of what happened. given that any media accounts you saw were based on conjecture rather than the single witness (who could be lying, but is still the only person that was there)... was that the media source that deliberately edited audio to misrepresent the defendant? Or print ridiculously outdated pictures of the teenager to make him look physically incapable of violence? "The media told me" is a lame dodge, even this late into a 2000 post thread. Sundevil has his take on the available evidence, you have your's. "The media" has nothing to do with that difference except for the truly lazy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #2436 July 20, 2012 QuoteSundevil has his take on the available evidence, you have your's. And neither matter, since neither of us are on the jury.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 800 #2437 July 20, 2012 or sitting behind the defense table either. yikes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #2438 July 20, 2012 QuoteQuoteI didn't say he wasn't "allowed". Your exact words: "Wonder why dad didn't take him to dinner? Punishment? … If he wasn't allowed to dinner, why was he out unknowingly all night long? " QuoteQuestioning one's behavior is not blaming the victim either. You're trying to imply that Martin is somehow at fault for being killed while returning from the store unarmed and minding his own business. That's blaming the victim. He was NOT minding his own business if he turned and confronted Zimmerman"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #2439 July 20, 2012 Why didn't TM just call the police and tell them some guy was following him? Why didn't TM just run to where he was living and go inside and lock the door? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #2440 July 20, 2012 Quote He was NOT minding his own business if he turned and confronted Zimmerman Reading through the various replies, it seems that some believe that it is not OK for an adult to question or scrutinize an adolescent and/or his behavior. In my family you are under adult authority until the age of 18 and leave home. If you choose to stay home you remain under adult authority. TM was an adolescent who attacked an adult.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #2441 July 20, 2012 QuoteQuote He was NOT minding his own business if he turned and confronted Zimmerman Reading through the various replies, it seems that some believe that it is not OK for an adult to question or scrutinize an adolescent and/or his behavior. In my family you are under adult authority until the age of 18 and leave home. If you choose to stay home you remain under adult authority. TM was an adolescent who attacked an adult. I totally agree with your observations and you frame, exactly, where many in this country want to take us....... The government nanny system it what liberal want (and I think some of them need it for some reason)……… This progressive mind set of not being responsible is a bad path………"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 800 #2442 July 20, 2012 It should also be ok to challenge any unknown persons in your neighborhood. I have and I will. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #2443 July 20, 2012 QuoteWhy didn't TM just call the police and tell them some guy was following him? Why didn't TM just run to where he was living and go inside and lock the door? Perhaps we should ask him. Oh, wait …Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #2444 July 20, 2012 QuoteQuoteWhy didn't TM just call the police and tell them some guy was following him? Why didn't TM just run to where he was living and go inside and lock the door? Perhaps we should ask him. Oh, wait … There are consequences to poorly thought out stupid decisions."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #2445 July 20, 2012 QuoteWhy didn't TM just call the police and tell them some guy was following him? I though the police were useless, isn't that one of the reasons to arm yourself, cause the police won't be around to protect you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #2446 July 20, 2012 QuoteThere are consequences to poorly thought out stupid decisions I thought relying on the police for your protection was a poorly thought out stupid decision? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #2447 July 20, 2012 QuoteQuoteThere are consequences to poorly thought out stupid decisions I thought relying on the police for your protection was a poorly thought out stupid decision? I am not sure of your point but, it can be"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #2448 July 20, 2012 QuoteThere are consequences to poorly thought out stupid decisions. True. I won't be surprised if the Florida legislature revisits their Stand Your Ground law to make it less of a Right To Murder law.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #2449 July 20, 2012 QuoteQuoteThere are consequences to poorly thought out stupid decisions. True. I won't be surprised if the Florida legislature revisits their Stand Your Ground law to make it less of a Right To Murder law. The law will not change IMO. Besides, this law is not or should not be part of this defense Self defense laws and stand your ground laws, while related, are not the same things"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #2450 July 20, 2012 TM is being blamed for not calling the police by the people who usually loudly proclaim they are armed because the police cannot be relied upon for self defence Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
