kelpdiver 2 #2576 September 11, 2012 QuoteQuote Barring a dramatic turn in the available evidence, there's no way a jury can convict beyond reasonable doubt, so the trial is unnecessary and unfair to the defendant. That, of course, is an opinion and not a fact, and not all of the evidence is available to us. It's an opinion shared by Alan Dershowitz. And with the discovery process requiring release of evidence to the defense (meanwhile leaking anything damaging to Zimmerman it left and right to the press), it's unlikely something dramatically different will come along. The trial will confirm this, as well as that this should never have gone to trial. Zimmerman will be out 6 to 7 figures...or more accurately, those willing to donate will be. Money that could have been better spent on just about anything, be it children or hookers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #2577 September 11, 2012 QuoteQuote No You said a court decides Nope. I wrote that a JURY decides facts. That's why a jury is called "decider of fact". Example. Now try to recall your civics classes. Yep And that jury, which is at the trial in court will decide whether you are a racist kid kicker"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #2578 September 11, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuote No You said a court decides Nope. I wrote that a JURY decides facts. That's why a jury is called "decider of fact". Example. Now try to recall your civics classes. Yep And that jury, which is at the trial in court will decide whether you are a racist kid kicker That is the job of a jury. Your arguments are just stupid.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #2579 September 11, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuote Barring a dramatic turn in the available evidence, there's no way a jury can convict beyond reasonable doubt, so the trial is unnecessary and unfair to the defendant. That, of course, is an opinion and not a fact, and not all of the evidence is available to us. It's an opinion shared by Alan Dershowitz. And with the discovery process requiring release of evidence to the defense (meanwhile leaking anything damaging to Zimmerman it left and right to the press), it's unlikely something dramatically different will come along. The trial will confirm this, as well as that this should never have gone to trial. Zimmerman will be out 6 to 7 figures...or more accurately, those willing to donate will be. Money that could have been better spent on just about anything, be it children or hookers. Maybe Dershowitz can decide all cases, since you think he is omniscient on matters of guilt or innocence. That's the ticket - one "decider" would save us all a lot of money.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #2580 September 11, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Barring a dramatic turn in the available evidence, there's no way a jury can convict beyond reasonable doubt, so the trial is unnecessary and unfair to the defendant. That, of course, is an opinion and not a fact, and not all of the evidence is available to us. It's an opinion shared by Alan Dershowitz. And with the discovery process requiring release of evidence to the defense (meanwhile leaking anything damaging to Zimmerman it left and right to the press), it's unlikely something dramatically different will come along. The trial will confirm this, as well as that this should never have gone to trial. Zimmerman will be out 6 to 7 figures...or more accurately, those willing to donate will be. Money that could have been better spent on just about anything, be it children or hookers. Maybe Dershowitz can decide all cases, since you think he is omniscient on matters of guilt or innocence. That's the ticket - one "decider" would save us all a lot of money. What is stupid is your position Not get your ass to court"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 800 #2581 September 11, 2012 As are yours. You should become more familiar with Florida law and court process on the charges Mr. Zimmerman has had levied. There's a very good chance this will not go to a jury. Local legal talking heads are betting the case will be dismissed. SYG and a lack of evidence and/or witnesses to the incident. Neither of which require a jury anywhere near the court house. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skypuppy 1 #2582 September 11, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Barring a dramatic turn in the available evidence, there's no way a jury can convict beyond reasonable doubt, so the trial is unnecessary and unfair to the defendant. That, of course, is an opinion and not a fact, and not all of the evidence is available to us. It's an opinion shared by Alan Dershowitz. And with the discovery process requiring release of evidence to the defense (meanwhile leaking anything damaging to Zimmerman it left and right to the press), it's unlikely something dramatically different will come along. The trial will confirm this, as well as that this should never have gone to trial. Zimmerman will be out 6 to 7 figures...or more accurately, those willing to donate will be. Money that could have been better spent on just about anything, be it children or hookers. Maybe Dershowitz can decide all cases, since you think he is omniscient on matters of guilt or innocence. That's the ticket - one "decider" would save us all a lot of money. let's face it, even if it goes to trial and he is found not guilty by a jury, you're going to say it was an abuse of justice, and he should have gone to jail anyways because TM is dead, no matter what....If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #2583 September 11, 2012 Quote Maybe Dershowitz can decide all cases, since you think he is omniscient on matters of guilt or innocence. That's the ticket - one "decider" would save us all a lot of money. Do you acknowledge that he's one of the most well regarded on the subject of criminal prosecution? Harvard does. He didn't make value judgements on the crime, but rather on the process and how it was violated. This is where your Englishness comes into play- due process is a bit optional in your frame of reference. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
devildog 0 #2584 September 11, 2012 QuoteAs are yours. You should become more familiar with Florida law and court process on the charges Mr. Zimmerman has had levied. There's a very good chance this will not go to a jury. Local legal talking heads are betting the case will be dismissed. SYG and a lack of evidence and/or witnesses to the incident. Neither of which require a jury anywhere near the court house. I thought I saw something about the defense not pursuing SYG?You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #2585 September 11, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Barring a dramatic turn in the available evidence, there's no way a jury can convict beyond reasonable doubt, so the trial is unnecessary and unfair to the defendant. That, of course, is an opinion and not a fact, and not all of the evidence is available to us. It's an opinion shared by Alan Dershowitz. And with the discovery process requiring release of evidence to the defense (meanwhile leaking anything damaging to Zimmerman it left and right to the press), it's unlikely something dramatically different will come along. The trial will confirm this, as well as that this should never have gone to trial. Zimmerman will be out 6 to 7 figures...or more accurately, those willing to donate will be. Money that could have been better spent on just about anything, be it children or hookers. Maybe Dershowitz can decide all cases, since you think he is omniscient on matters of guilt or innocence. That's the ticket - one "decider" would save us all a lot of money. let's face it, even if it goes to trial and he is found not guilty by a jury, you're going to say it was an abuse of justice No, I'm not. I just don't think this pissing match will end until a jury gives a verdict.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveJonathan 0 #2586 September 11, 2012 Even if he's found not guilty of this murder it's only a matter of time before he kills again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 800 #2587 September 11, 2012 SYG hearing requested Just part of due process, legal heads are saying they expect this to be successful. If not, then the laundry list of due process errors come into play unless trial gets scheduled first, then they become key in appeals processes. Must be a real bitch to not be able to work and still need a half mill to defend yourself. American legal system is THE best system money can buy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #2588 September 11, 2012 Wow, a book has already been written: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/09/11/2997023/zimmermans-best-friend-pens-book.html Defending Our Friend: The Most Hated Man in America Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #2589 September 11, 2012 QuoteWow, a book has already been written: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/09/11/2997023/zimmermans-best-friend-pens-book.html Defending Our Friend: The Most Hated Man in America Of course, Zimmerman should be writing a book himself, or with the help of an established writer. He should absolutely get whatever he can out of the situation, Of course if you think he's a racist cold blooded murderer, then you won't agree.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
linebckr83 3 #2590 September 11, 2012 QuoteEven if he's found not guilty of this murder it's only a matter of time before he kills again. If he is acquitted and set free, my money says he gets shot and killed by some thug yelling "thats for Trayvon Martin mutha fucka!" before he ever gets close to killing someone else."Are you coming to the party? Oh I'm coming, but I won't be there!" Flying Hellfish #828 Dudist #52 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #2591 September 11, 2012 QuoteEven if he's found not guilty of this murder it's only a matter of time before he kills again. ??? Are you serious? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 800 #2592 September 11, 2012 That and/or the first reply to that statement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveJonathan 0 #2593 September 11, 2012 QuoteQuoteEven if he's found not guilty of this murder it's only a matter of time before he kills again. ??? Are you serious? If he gets away with his first murder he'll go for a second. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
linebckr83 3 #2594 September 11, 2012 Do you disagree? Surely you understand the level of hatred out there for this guy. Has there not been atleast one or two beatings "in the name of Trayvon"? What about the black panthers and their bounty? Feel free to explain why you believe he will be safe if he is set free."Are you coming to the party? Oh I'm coming, but I won't be there!" Flying Hellfish #828 Dudist #52 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #2595 September 11, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteEven if he's found not guilty of this murder it's only a matter of time before he kills again. ??? Are you serious? If he gets away with his first murder he'll go for a second. How did you come to this conclusion? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #2596 September 11, 2012 QuoteDo you disagree? Surely you understand the level of hatred out there for this guy. Has there not been atleast one or two beatings "in the name of Trayvon"? What about the black panthers and their bounty? Feel free to explain why you believe he will be safe if he is set free. I think he was agreeing with you. And I agree too. Even if he is found "not guilty" or the case is dismissed, he will probably never be "free" or safe again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveJonathan 0 #2597 September 11, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteEven if he's found not guilty of this murder it's only a matter of time before he kills again. ??? Are you serious? If he gets away with his first murder he'll go for a second. How did you come to this conclusion? That's how serial killers operate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muff528 3 #2598 September 11, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Even if he's found not guilty of this murder it's only a matter of time before he kills again. ??? Are you serious? If he gets away with his first murder he'll go for a second. How did you come to this conclusion? That's how serial killers operate. Yeah, he's already up to "1". (Hey ...even Ted Bundy had to start somewhere.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveJonathan 0 #2599 September 11, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Even if he's found not guilty of this murder it's only a matter of time before he kills again. ??? Are you serious? If he gets away with his first murder he'll go for a second. How did you come to this conclusion? That's how serial killers operate. Yeah, he's already up to "1". (Hey ...even Ted Bundy had to start somewhere.) The next time his 'self defence' alibi will be even easier as everyone would expect him to be attacked. He'll be paranoid and well armed. He'll still have a thing about black guys. He'll have a sense of grievance about the time he's spent in prison but elation that he's finally got away with it. Just a little patience and he can make sure he gets himself into a situation where he can bait and murder again. He'll also almost certainly escalate to a double or triple murder just to show how 'outnumbered' he was. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muff528 3 #2600 September 11, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Even if he's found not guilty of this murder it's only a matter of time before he kills again. ??? Are you serious? If he gets away with his first murder he'll go for a second. How did you come to this conclusion? That's how serial killers operate. Yeah, he's already up to "1". (Hey ...even Ted Bundy had to start somewhere.) The next time his 'self defence' alibi will be even easier as everyone would expect him to be attacked. He'll be paranoid and well armed. He'll still have a thing about black guys. He'll have a sense of grievance about the time he's spent in prison but elation that he's finally got away with it. Just a little patience and he can make sure he gets himself into a situation where he can bait and murder again. He'll also almost certainly escalate to a double or triple murder just to show how 'outnumbered' he was. Does that scenario play over in your head often? Does the visualization seem to be getting more and more realistic? Do you know where I live? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
