Florida Teen Shot

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airtwardo

***Verdict is in. Not Guilty. All counts.

Justice served.

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Verdict is in. Not Guilty. All counts.

I just cannot believe it. This is unbelievable . I give it 4-5 hrs before the rioting and burning starts. GZ will never know another peaceful day in his life. I think he should've at least caught a Manslaughter charge. WowZer.
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Richard

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airtwardo

***Verdict is in. Not Guilty. All counts.

Justice served.

Finally
but it never should have gone to court

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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Verdict is in. Not Guilty. All counts.

I just cannot believe it. This is unbelievable . I give it 4-5 hrs before the rioting and burning starts. GZ will never know another peaceful day in his life. I think he should've at least catch a Manslaughter charge. WowZer.
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Richard

why is it unbelievable?

The evidence supported this outcome

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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AAAAWWWWW YEEEEAAAAAH, It's Panther Time!

Get Some!

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Kennedy

Verdict is in. Not Guilty. All counts.

Told you guys he'd walk.

You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions.

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why is it unbelievable?

GZ killed a young man. He did not do like he was asked to do when he called 911. They told him to get back in his vehicle, he did not.

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The evidence supported this outcome.

IMHO, to a point, not 100%. The evidence also pointed out GZ's faults as well and no punishment. Murder is not supported in the Bible. "Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth"

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Richard

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They told him to get back in his vehicle, he did not.

Yup...how dare he exercise his right to go where he wants.

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

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Yup...how dare he exercise his right to go where he wants.

Had he done as instructed, there's a real possibility Trayvon would be alive right now. Don't be happy because GZ got off. I remember OJ Simpson was found "Not Guilty" I was mad as hell. He killed those people and everyone knew it. He got away with it for what ever the reason. Just because he got off, doesn't mean he wasn't guilty.
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Richard

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Yup...how dare he exercise his right to go where he wants.

Had he done as instructed, there's a real possibility Trayvon would be alive right now. Don't be happy because GZ got off. I remember OJ Simpson was found "Not Guilty" I was mad as hell. He killed those people and everyone knew it. He got away with it for what ever the reason. Just because he got off, doesn't mean he wasn't guilty.
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Richard

Had Trayvon not sucker punched GZ, climbed on top of him and started bashing his skull into the concrete, he probably would still be alive too. Course, since he was getting into illegal arm sales, TM might have been killed by now by some other way.

You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions.

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Had Trayvon not sucker punched GZ, climbed on top of him and started bashing his skull into the concrete, he probably would still be alive too. Course, since he was getting into illegal arm sales, TM might have been killed by now by some other way.

You missed my entire point. Had GZ done as he was asked, there would have been no confrontation. I agree TM may/could have lost his life in some violent manner because he was up to no good most of the time. But he was a human being, one of God's creations.
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Richard

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GZ killed a young man. He did not do like he was asked to do when he called 911. They told him to get back in his vehicle, he did not.

It doesn't matter... 911 dispatchers have no authority to instruct him to do anything.

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If that's what you think, you have problems understanding what happened. Something all the GZ haters shared in common. It is not illegal to get out of your cars to see where someone went after you had just called 911. Especially when you are a member of Neighborhood Watch and have vowed to protect your neighbors.

Had TM actually been afraid, he would have just continued on home. Instead, he doubled back and sucker punched GZ, breaking his nose. He the jumped on top of GZ and started pounding his head on the sidewalk. I'd say TM got just exactly what he asked for.

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It doesn't matter... 911 dispatchers have no authority to instruct him to do anything.

911 Operators are following protocol when they instruct how and what people should do in certain situations. The same way they would instruct a person in a burning building how to get out safely. Is it best to listen to them? Or NOT?
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Richard

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rwieder

GZ killed a young man.

We all agree on that. The jury also found that it was justified.

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He did not do like he was asked to do when he called 911. They told him to get back in his vehicle, he did not.

That's a lie the nightly news told you. GZ told the 9-1-1 operator that he was following the suspicious person (later identified as TM). The operator told him he didn't need to do that. No one ever told GZ to stop following or to get back in his vehicle. The operator told GZ it was not required. Nothing more.

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Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards.
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It doesn't matter... 911 dispatchers have no authority to instruct him to do anything.

911 Operators are following protocol when they instruct how and what people should do in certain situations. The same way they would instruct a person in a burning building how to get out safely. Is it best to listen to them? Or NOT?

Last I checked, not listening to a good idea did not qualify as good reason to charge someone with a felony.

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Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards.
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That's a lie the nightly news told you. GZ told the 9-1-1 operator that he was following the suspicious person (later identified as TM). The operator told him he didn't need to do that. No one ever told GZ to stop following or to get back in his vehicle. The operator told GZ it was not required. Nothing more.

I watched that trail gavel to gavel. It was played back on the 911 tape. C'mon, it's got to hurt anyone with a soul to know a young man lost his life for a BS reason like this. It didn't have to happen. Nuff said. As you are, so am I entitled to my opinion. Take care council.
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Richard

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You can't argue with them. How many times do they have to be told the same thing over and over and over?

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From the transcript:

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Dispatcher: Are you following him?

Zimmerman: Yeah

Dispatcher: OK, we don't need you to do that.

But don't let that stop you from beating that dead horse.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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It doesn't matter... 911 dispatchers have no authority to instruct him to do anything.

911 Operators are following protocol when they instruct how and what people should do in certain situations. The same way they would instruct a person in a burning building how to get out safely. Is it best to listen to them? Or NOT?
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Richard

Protocol for 911 dispatchers actually is NOT to give orders at all. It opens them up for all sorts of lawsuits.

Saying "Had GZ not followed / gotten out of his truck" is the same weak sauce, and frankly disgusting IMHO, lines that people give rape victims like "Had she not gone to the bar..." or "Had she not wore what she did..." GZ did nothing illegal and GZ did nothing to warrant getting attacked.

You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions.

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Exactly.

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ryoder

This was a posting on Slashdot today:

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I watched the coverage gavel to gavel of the Zimmerman trial. What was on Trayvon Martin's phone is maybe the most damaging information of all to the State's case. It is incredibly damaging to Trayvon Martin and his family and introduces criminal findings against them.

The State withheld evidence that Trayvon Martin was dealing and using drugs, dealing illegal firearms, and was in possession of an illegal firearm. And that Trayvon Martin was into fighting and beating people up and had punched someone in the nose earlier that month. And that he had assaulted a public bus driver and the police showed up but the driver was told to continue his route and not press charges.

There is also significantly strong evidence that Trayvon Martin's father was working with his son to acquire illegal weapons and that his father's nickname 'Fruit' was used amongst organized gang circles. There are texts that mention buying and selling pistols. And even a photo of Trayvon holding an illegal pistol. The photo is all over the internet and is not hard to find. The State withheld all of this and forced the defending attorneys to run around in circles to obtain the phone data.

The judge also ruled that none of the phone data on Trayvon Martin's phone was admissible. Why? Because there was no hard proof that Trayvon was actually the one operating the phone when those messages were sent and received. And that "anyone could have been operating Trayvon's phone at any time". The phone was DOUBLE password protected and took the State an entire year to crack. But the State said in court that even a "seven-year-old child could have cracked the phone and sent those messages". The judge agreed.

I think Holder need to investigate, "Fruit."

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Dershowitz: Zimmerman Prosecutors 'Should Be Disbarred'
Friday, 12 Jul 2013 06:22 PM
By Bill Hoffmann

Harvard Law professor Alan Dershowitz says the prosecutors in the George Zimmerman murder trial should be charged with "prosecutorial misconduct" for suggesting the defendant planned the fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin.

"That is something no prosecutor should be allowed to get away with … to make up a story from whole cloth," Dershowitz told "The Steve Malzberg Show" on Newsmax TV.

"These prosecutors should be disbarred. They have acted absolutely irresponsibly in an utterly un-American fashion."

Zimmerman, a 29-year-old neighborhood watch volunteer, is charged with gunning down Martin, 17, as the two fought following a confrontation in the gated Sanford, Fla., community where Zimmerman lives — an act the defendant said was in self-defense.

In the prosecution's final argument on Friday, lawyer John Guy said Zimmerman deliberately followed Martin and "shot him because he wanted to."

Dershowitz called Guy's statement "such speculation. How does he get into the mind of Zimmerman? He hasn't cross-examined him, he hasn't met him.

"To ask the jury to believe that is to ask the jury to convict based on complete and utter speculation and that's not the way the law operates."

A day earlier, prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda said Zimmerman — whom he labeled a "wannabe cop" — "followed" and "tracked" Martin after profiling him as a criminal.

Dershowitz said not only should Zimmerman have not been charged with second-degree murder, but prosecutors should not have pushed to have manslaughter and child abuse added to the list of possible jury verdicts.

"[It's] utterly irresponsible. … The idea that the prosecution can try the case on a murder theory and then, at the last minute, substitute manslaughter, even though it seems to be permitted generally under Florida law — it's a big mistake to allow it in a case like this,” he said.

"And then the very idea of even suggesting child abuse in a case like this is so irresponsible."

Dershowitz praised the closing argument of defense lawyer Mark O'Mara.

"He did the right thing by being methodical and factual because this is a case where the prosecution's case is all emotion and the defense case is all factual," the famed civil-rights lawyer said.

"Emotionally, obviously everybody can identify with a young, unarmed 17-year-old who ends up dead, and emotionally, as President [Barack] Obama said, he's all of our children."

Dershowitz — whose clients have included Claus von Bulow, Mike Tyson, Patricia Hearst, and former televangelist Jim Bakker — said the case has "reasonable doubt" written all over it.

"Nobody knows who started the initial physical encounter, who threw the first blow — and if you don't know that you have to have a reasonable doubt," he said.

"Nobody knows for sure who screamed, 'Help me, help me.' You have to have a reasonable doubt about that. Nobody knows for sure who was on top and who was on bottom, though the overwhelming forensic evidence suggests that Zimmerman was on the bottom having his head banged by a younger, stronger man. You have to have reasonable doubt there."

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A number of heads should roll, but they won't.

You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions.