Florida Teen Shot

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rushmc

***Yeah, unlike the lying, deceitful, convict at all costs, scumbags in the prosecutors office who know what they are talking about.

The calls for civil rights charges have begun

Yep, while the lawyers sit back and lick their chops. Predators on people's misery. Really a disgusting group of humanoids.

[normiss 800]

With the claim of self defense he should be able to beat civil suits.
By my reading and understanding of the FL Statutes, it clearly addresses if one is found Immune from Prosecution, any and all civil lawsuits will not have merit.

Not sure of the process, but I do hear this being discussed here locally.

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dmcoco84

There was no chance for manslaughter either; not with what was read to the jury.

That was not intentional. Only thing I could see was negligence based... but nothing even remotely more than that.

Not quite correct. This was intentional. GZ pulled his pistol and intentionally pressed the trigger, sending one round into TM's torso. It was an intentional act likely to cause GBH or death. However, it is justified or excusable, according to the jury, because they didn't believe the state disproved GZ's account supporting self defense.

Everyone agrees GZ shot TM, leadin to TM's death. No on thinks it was an accident. The fuzzy part is what happened between GZ hanging up with 9-1-1 and TM doing a ground and pound on GZ.

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Not quite correct. This was intentional. GZ pulled his pistol and intentionally pressed the trigger, sending one round into TM's torso. It was an intentional act likely to cause GBH or death. However, it is justified or excusable, according to the jury, because they didn't believe the state disproved GZ's account supporting self defense.

Everyone agrees GZ shot TM, leadin to TM's death. No on thinks it was an accident. The fuzzy part is what happened between GZ hanging up with 9-1-1 and TM doing a ground and pound on GZ.

Maybe its me who's not, but I don't think you are reading that right; or how intentionally it used.

2. "George Zimmerman intentionally committed an act or acts that caused the death of Trayvon Martin."

"Each of us has a duty to act reasonably toward others. If there is a violation of that duty, without any conscious intention to harm, that violation is negligence."

Wasn't it said somewhere back in this thread, that the prosecution was arguing it was the actions of GZ leading up to the scuffle that they were using to argue for manslaughter, not the actual action of pulling and discharging of the firearm?

Which also adds to when I heard there was a juror question about manslaughter, I knew it was over... Not Guilty.

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Unlike FL, here is VA we have involuntary manslaughter.

This is what I could see him being guilty of:

http://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=1209

n. the unlawful killing of another person without premeditation or so-called "malice aforethought" (an evil intent prior to the killing). It is distinguished from murder (which brings greater penalties) by lack of any prior intention to kill anyone or create a deadly situation. There are two levels of manslaughter: voluntary and involuntary. Voluntary manslaughter includes killing in heat of passion or while committing a felony. Involuntary manslaughter occurs when a death is caused by a violation of a non-felony, such as reckless driving (called "vehicular manslaughter"). Examples: Eddy Hothead gets into a drunken argument in a saloon with his acquaintance Bob Bonehead, and Hothead hits Bonehead over the head with a beer bottle, causing internal bleeding and death. Brent Burgle sneaks into a warehouse intent on theft and is surprised by a security man, whom Burgle knocks down a flight of stairs, killing him. Both are voluntary manslaughter. However, if either man had used a gun, a murder charge is most likely since he brought a deadly weapon to use in the crime. The immediate rage in finding a loved one in bed with another followed by a killing before the passion cools usually limits the charge to voluntary manslaughter and not murder, but prior attacks could convince a District Attorney and a jury that the killing was not totally spontaneous. Lenny Leadfoot drives 70 miles per hour on a twisting mountain road, goes off a cliff and his passenger is killed in the crash. Leadfoot can be charged with involuntary manslaughter.

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I've been staying out of this for a while and I just recently starting getting caught up with everything now that the trial is over.

What bothers me most is how people like Al Sharpton can completely ignore that TM had lost GZ for 4 1/2 minutes where he waited in the bushes for GZ to get off the phone with the cops and then cam back and jumped him.

Whether you approve of what GZ did or not, TM was on top of him beating the shit out him, smashing his brains into the side walk.

To say that TM is innocent is to say that it's OK for a black man to smash a white guys head into the side walk because you don't like what he's doing...

To that all I can say is "Don't curb stomp me bro..."
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If it had been a 27 year old black man that had shot and killed a white 17 year old kid who had just walked to the store, rest assured they would have found him dead after his first night in his jail cell after committing suicide by blunt force trauma.

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jclalor

If it had been a 27 year old black man that had shot and killed a white 17 year old kid who had just walked to the store, rest assured they would have found him dead after his first night in his jail cell after committing suicide by blunt force trauma.

Yeah, sure they would have

You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions.

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jclalor

If it had been a 27 year old black man that had shot and killed a white 17 year old kid who had just walked to the store, rest assured they would have found him dead after his first night in his jail cell after committing suicide by blunt force trauma.

I was thinking the same thing the other day while lynching a few darkies for sitting at the whites only counter in my local Five & Dime.

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jclalor

If it had been a 27 year old black man that had shot and killed a white 17 year old kid who had just walked to the store, rest assured they would have found him dead after his first night in his jail cell after committing suicide by blunt force trauma.

That's one of those "If a tree was falling in the woods and if know one is around to hear it" statements. You have no way of proving it....

If TM was white and GZ was black, this story would have never been in the news....

Kind of like how TM was smashing GZ's head into the cement seems to be selectively edited...

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devildog

***If GZ goes free I don't think there will be any substantial rioting, if any. Because the main complaint/protest at first is that people wanted GZ arrested, charged and tried. Well, he was and people have to accept the verdict just like OJ.

Miami disagrees. So do those affected by the Rodney King riots.

I hope your safe and secure in your home during these times of tumultuous Negro civil unrest.

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jclalor

Well hopefully the obligatory civil suit that is sure to follow will succeed.

Well, I hope NOT.

There's been a trial, he was found not guilty. That should be the end of it.

Don't need a federal "civil rights" suit, a civil suit for damages, or whatever.

Just let it go.

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Considering what happened in LA when the cops were acquitted and then the feds charged them again anyway, I guess it really doesn't matter. Obummer and Holder will get their man anyway they can...

"I know this case has elicited strong passions. And in the wake of the verdict, I know those passions may be running even higher. But we are a nation of laws, and a jury has spoken" -President Barack Obama-


Sounds just like the words of a liberal President about to set loose his federal goons to get Zimmerman any way he can.

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normiss

With the claim of self defense he should be able to beat civil suits.
By my reading and understanding of the FL Statutes, it clearly addresses if one is found Immune from Prosecution, any and all civil lawsuits will not have merit.

Not sure of the process, but I do hear this being discussed here locally.

I have no problem with the civil suits (even though they will be ridicules in this case) The family has the right to try this if they want to

It is the civil rights case claims that is pissing me off here

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kallend

***Well hopefully the obligatory civil suit that is sure to follow will succeed.

Well, I hope NOT.

There's been a trial, he was found not guilty. That should be the end of it.

Don't need a federal "civil rights" suit, a civil suit for damages, or whatever.

Just let it go.

Agree 100%. There is nothing to be gained by continuing to stoke emotions. Let it go.

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jgoose71

That's one of those "If a tree was falling in the woods and if know one is around to hear it" statements. You have no way of proving it....

We have plenty of ways of disproving it though. Should we play "Lets find all the black people murdering white people" stories and see how many of them make it to trial w/o mysteriously dying in jail? :)

You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions.

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jclalor

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******If GZ goes free I don't think there will be any substantial rioting, if any. Because the main complaint/protest at first is that people wanted GZ arrested, charged and tried. Well, he was and people have to accept the verdict just like OJ.

Miami disagrees. So do those affected by the Rodney King riots.

I hope your safe and secure in your home during these times of tumultuous Negro civil unrest.

That's because I live in SW Fl and not Oakland CA.

You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions.

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Gravitymaster

******Well hopefully the obligatory civil suit that is sure to follow will succeed.

Well, I hope NOT.

There's been a trial, he was found not guilty. That should be the end of it.

Don't need a federal "civil rights" suit, a civil suit for damages, or whatever.

Just let it go.

Agee 100%. There is nothing to be gained by continuing to stoke emotions. Let it go.

Sure there is. Race baiters gotta continue to make a name for themselves and make money off inciting hatred.

You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions.

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devildog

***That's one of those "If a tree was falling in the woods and if know one is around to hear it" statements. You have no way of proving it....

We have plenty of ways of disproving it though. Should we play "Lets find all the black people murdering white people" stories and see how many of them make it to trial w/o mysteriously dying in jail? :)

Kind of my point, you can't find them. No way in hell those crimes will ever be reported like that.

If such crimes do occur, color is conveniently removed, or they don't get prosecuted all together, kind of like the black panther voter intimidation thing...

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Not guilty!

Clearly shows right to self defense.
OH but the liberals say: its ok to get your head beaten on concrete and not take any self defensive actions.

If more law abiding citizens would carry guns perhaps these criminals would leave people alone. Martin was a criminal. He was assaulting another individual by attempting to beat him to death.

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OHCHUTE

Martin was a criminal. He was assaulting another individual by attempting to beat him to death.

Don't curb stomp me bro....

(See post 3070 for reference...)

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jgoose71

*** Martin was a criminal. He was assaulting another individual by attempting to beat him to death.

Don't curb stomp me bro....

(See post 3070 for reference...)


The fictional video you made reference to, and its content, has nothing to do with what I stated. In fact, the video shows the man with the gun was the criminal. Not the case with Zimmerman.

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jclalor

If it had been a 27 year old black man that had shot and killed a white 17 year old kid who had just walked to the store, rest assured they would have found him dead after his first night in his jail cell after committing suicide by blunt force trauma.

What a dumb ASS statement, with all the black men that are killing one another in Chicago by the dozens last week and not so much of a peep from you.

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rwieder

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why is it unbelievable?

GZ killed a young man. He did not do like he was asked to do when he called 911. They told him to get back in his vehicle, he did not.

***The evidence supported this outcome.

IMHO, to a point, not 100%. The evidence also pointed out GZ's faults as well and no punishment. Murder is not supported in the Bible. "Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth"

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the evidence supported this 100%. there is absolutely no way this ever should have even gone to trial. Even after a trial run by lying prosecutors and a hang-em-high judge there was NEVER ANY POSSIBILITY of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Bottom line is it is NOT illegal to follow someone, never has been (unless you;re actually stalking, which is a serial event, or menacing, which there was absolutely no way to prove beyond a reasonable doubt).
But it IS ILLEGAL to assault someone, which is what TM did. and you could NEVER prove otherwise beyond a reasonable doubt.

The state never had any possibility of a valid conviction in this case. Could GZ have handled things differently? Perhaps, hindsight is always 20/20. But he is not legally responsible and never was, and should not be found so in a civil case either.

10 to 1 TM would have ended up the same way within 10 years if GZ had never met him anyways. He was living that lifestyle.

If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead.
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Channman

***If it had been a 27 year old black man that had shot and killed a white 17 year old kid who had just walked to the store, rest assured they would have found him dead after his first night in his jail cell after committing suicide by blunt force trauma.

What a dumb ASS statement, with all the black men that are killing one another in Chicago by the dozens last week and not so much of a peep from you.

Obviously meant as a sarcastic comment, and while the violence in Chicago is insane, can you cite a source showing over 24 murders in a one week period or are you just exaggerating with a dumb ASS claim.