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...Analysis of the emergency phone call made just before the unarmed African American teenager Trayvon Martin was killed in Sanford, Florida, have cast further doubt on the story of George Zimmerman that he carried out the shooting in self-defence.
Zimmerman has claimed that the voice screaming on the 911 call was his own. He told police that Martin attacked him, punched him to the ground and bashed his head against the pavement before Zimmerman pulled the trigger.
But voice experts contacted by the Orlando Sentinel told the newspaper that in their opinion the screams were almost certainly not made by Zimmerman, but were more likely to have come from Martin...
Zimmerman has claimed that the voice screaming on the 911 call was his own. He told police that Martin attacked him, punched him to the ground and bashed his head against the pavement before Zimmerman pulled the trigger.
But voice experts contacted by the Orlando Sentinel told the newspaper that in their opinion the screams were almost certainly not made by Zimmerman, but were more likely to have come from Martin...
rushmc 23
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Who knows what the trust is...certainly no one here.
+1
The amount of hard evidence available is miniscule. Most of what we have is a lot of conflicting "he said she said" stuff. Yet a bunch of people here have chosen a side and staunchly defend it.
Wow
we agree on something
I did hear a report today that the police inteviewed Zimmerman for 5 hours right after the shooting
Had you heard that?
I had not
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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
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billvon 2,991
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>Because those in the race business need Zimmerman to be white to keep the discourse going
I know Fortson and he is definitely not in the "race business."
I know Fortson and he is definitely not in the "race business."
rushmc 23
Quote>Because those in the race business need Zimmerman to be white to keep the discourse going
I know Fortson and he is definitely not in the "race business."
Not who I am posting about
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
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Because that's how the police referred to him. I don't see that it matters, and I don't get all the stink about white vs hispanic.
Because those in the race business need Zimmerman to be white to keep the discourse going
"Hispanic" isn't a race.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
billvon 2,991
>"Hispanic" isn't a race.
It is to some people. Look how worked up RushMC is getting over it.
It is to some people. Look how worked up RushMC is getting over it.
Quote...Analysis of the emergency phone call made just before the unarmed African American teenager Trayvon Martin was killed in Sanford, Florida, have cast further doubt on the story of George Zimmerman that he carried out the shooting in self-defence.
Zimmerman has claimed that the voice screaming on the 911 call was his own. He told police that Martin attacked him, punched him to the ground and bashed his head against the pavement before Zimmerman pulled the trigger.
But voice experts contacted by the Orlando Sentinel told the newspaper that in their opinion the screams were almost certainly not made by Zimmerman, but were more likely to have come from Martin...
to be accurate - one rated the recording as a 48% match for Zimmerman. He did not have a sample for Martin so he didn't offer a comparison figure.
The other apparently didn't need a repeatedly method and just said it didn't sound like Zimmerman to him, therefore it must be the other guy.
mnealtx 0
Quote>"Hispanic" isn't a race.
It is to some people. Look how worked up RushMC is getting over it.
Look how worked up the Left got in the *racism* of Arizona's recent immigration issue.
Can't have it both ways.
Mike
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mirage62 0
ABC (I believe) had the photo of Zimmerman head enhanced, it shows what looks to be a pretty good head wound. It looks to me that the area was shaved.... beats me what it means.
Zimmerman side; "See that proves he was attacked!"
Martin side: " He prob did it to himself"
Reality - all we would know is that when he went to the police dept he had a head wound.
Zimmerman side; "See that proves he was attacked!"
Martin side: " He prob did it to himself"
Reality - all we would know is that when he went to the police dept he had a head wound.
Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little
QuoteHere's a question for you...
...Why did the prosecutor ignore the recommendations of the lead homicide investigator? ABC News reported that Chris Serino, the lead homicide investigator on the Trayvon Martin case, recommended that Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter on the night of the shooting. Serino filed an affidavit that night stating “he was unconvinced Zimmerman’s version of events.” As the lead homicide investigator, Serino was: 1. In the best position to evaluate Zimmerman’s credibility, and 2. Intimately familiar with Florida law. Why was he ignored?
If this is fact, then the PD did its job and the issue is with the Prosecutor. Since Zimmerman was taken into custody, does that mean he was Arrested< yet then released?
Matt
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devildog 0
don't feed the trollQuoteQuoteHere's a question for you...
...Why did the prosecutor ignore the recommendations of the lead homicide investigator? ABC News reported that Chris Serino, the lead homicide investigator on the Trayvon Martin case, recommended that Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter on the night of the shooting. Serino filed an affidavit that night stating “he was unconvinced Zimmerman’s version of events.” As the lead homicide investigator, Serino was: 1. In the best position to evaluate Zimmerman’s credibility, and 2. Intimately familiar with Florida law. Why was he ignored?
If this is fact, then the PD did its job and the issue is with the Prosecutor. Since Zimmerman was taken into custody, does that mean he was Arrested< yet then released?
Matt
You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions.
DaVinci 0
QuoteI wonder though how this changes if Zimmerman had said something like: "yes, run away you scared little nigger, That's all you are good for, run nigger, run".
(For those with reading comprehension problems, I am not saying that I think this is what happened. I am wondering how it changes the legal concepts of self-defence and stand your ground)
Words do not constitute bodily harm. So a person can cuss you out all day and that does not give you permission to hit them.
Is it smart? No. Is it a good idea? No. But words don't put people into the hospital or morgue.
In my non-lawyer opinion... Words do not allow the use of any type of force.
billvon 2,991
>Words do not constitute bodily harm. So a person can cuss you out all
>day and that does not give you permission to hit them.
If those words lead to a belief that you will suffer great bodily harm from the person (i.e. the person hates blacks and will likely attack them if they stand their ground) then in Florida, that does in fact give you permission to harm (or kill) them.
>day and that does not give you permission to hit them.
If those words lead to a belief that you will suffer great bodily harm from the person (i.e. the person hates blacks and will likely attack them if they stand their ground) then in Florida, that does in fact give you permission to harm (or kill) them.
mnealtx 0
Quote>Words do not constitute bodily harm. So a person can cuss you out all
>day and that does not give you permission to hit them.
If those words lead to a belief that you will suffer great bodily harm from the person (i.e. the person hates blacks and will likely attack them if they stand their ground) then in Florida, that does in fact give you permission to harm (or kill) them.
No, the words alone do not.
Mike
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billvon 2,991
>No, the words alone do not.
"a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if: (1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself."
If the person BELIEVES that deadly force is necessary to prevent great bodily harm, they can use it. They don't need to be attacked.
"a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if: (1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself."
If the person BELIEVES that deadly force is necessary to prevent great bodily harm, they can use it. They don't need to be attacked.
DaVinci 0
QuoteThe medical examiner has stated that there were no signs of a fight on the victim, there were no scuffs on his knuckles or other signs of a struggle
IIRC, that statement was from a funeral home not the ME.
QuoteAs anyone that has been in a fight knows, it doesn't take much of a punch at all to cause some skin abrasions on your hand or bruising around the knuckles.
Depends. If I punch someone in a soft area there would be zero damage to my knuckles... And if I palm heal a guy on the forehead, again zero damage to my hand.
I have been knocked flat out and knocked others out and there was no visible damage to my/their face or my/their fist/foot.
QuoteI also can't see a guy that size falling to the ground with a single punch
Seen it, done it, lived it.
QuoteAnd the argument that race played a part isn't too difficult to establish from the evidence. What made this person 'suspicious' and worth following.
Walking around at night with a hoodie in the rain.
Quotethe only thing that could logically play a role into making him look suspicious is his colour. I'm sure the usual suspects are going to try refute it but you can say what you like, there is more than enough evidence for a clear thinking person to make a basic conclusion from the reported facts.
This is just like a Rorschach test... You are gonna see what you want to see. That includes the people that try to claim it was *only* race based just as much as those that claim it had *nothing* to do with race.
mnealtx 0
Quote>No, the words alone do not.
"a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if: (1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself."
If the person BELIEVES that deadly force is necessary to prevent great bodily harm, they can use it. They don't need to be attacked.
Wrong. Words alone are not 'imminent death or great bodily harm'.
Mike
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DaVinci 0
Quote"a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if: (1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself."
If the person BELIEVES that deadly force is necessary to prevent great bodily harm, they can use it. They don't need to be attacked.
Wounded pride is not "great bodily harm". Words have to be matched with some sort of action. Him saying, "I'm gonna kick your ass" is not the same as him saying, "I'm gonna kick your ass" as he chambers a punch or lunges at you.
Assault: An assault is carried out by a threat of bodily harm coupled with an apparent, present ability to cause the harm. Generally, the essential elements of assault consist of an act intended to cause an apprehension of harmful or offensive contact that causes apprehension of such contact in the victim.
The act required for an assault must be overt. Although words alone are insufficient, they might create an assault when coupled with some action that indicates the ability to carry out the threat. A mere threat to harm is not an assault; however, a threat combined with a raised fist might be sufficient if it causes a reasonable apprehension of harm in the victim.
So no, insults alone do not seem to be enough.
mirage62 0
The news has been quite today. I did see a bit about one of the news shows editing what Zimmerman said to make it sould worse that what the entire recording sounded.
The head wound seems to been put to rest with the photos that were released.
Last the voice experts didn't seem to generate the excitment I thought it would.
Has the press lost interest? If so thats bad for the Martin side.
The head wound seems to been put to rest with the photos that were released.
Last the voice experts didn't seem to generate the excitment I thought it would.
Has the press lost interest? If so thats bad for the Martin side.
Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little
QuoteThe news has been quite today. I did see a bit about one of the news shows editing what Zimmerman said to make it sould worse that what the entire recording sounded.
The head wound seems to been put to rest with the photos that were released.
Last the voice experts didn't seem to generate the excitment I thought it would.
Has the press lost interest? If so thats bad for the Martin side.
I think it has lost considerable steam, between the Spike Lee debacle with the old couple, the overselling of the police station video, and the deliberate misquoting by the news getting out. I think this diminished the impact of the voice analysis, plus the fact that these were (more or less) accurately described and the conclusions aren't so clear cut.
the Kill Zimmerman side tries several haymakers that didn't land, and at this point if they don't find a true smoking gun (clearly racist statements by Z, for example), it's going to die down until the Feds are done.
It's back to the problem where even if you firmly suspect he did bad, the evidence isn't there to support a criminal conviction.
rushmc 23
Quote>"Hispanic" isn't a race.
It is to some people. Look how worked up RushMC is getting over it.
I am not the ones making the claims in the media
which was my point
but I know the truth matters little to you
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
+1
The amount of hard evidence available is miniscule. Most of what we have is a lot of conflicting "he said she said" stuff. Yet a bunch of people here have chosen a side and staunchly defend it.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
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