kelpdiver 2 #1076 April 9, 2012 QuoteQuote Though I did read a note that the homeowners association is open to a nasty wrongful death suit regardless of how the criminal process concludes. Why? Did they have something to do w/ Zimmermann being in charge of neighborhood watch? They named him in a newsletter as the man to talk to about problems. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #1077 April 9, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuote Though I did read a note that the homeowners association is open to a nasty wrongful death suit regardless of how the criminal process concludes. Why? Did they have something to do w/ Zimmermann being in charge of neighborhood watch? They named him in a newsletter as the man to talk to about problems. I wonder how much the fact that he wasn't on duty that night and in fact was on a personal errand would effect their liability? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #1078 April 9, 2012 QuoteQuote They named him in a newsletter as the man to talk to about problems. I wonder how much the fact that he wasn't on duty that night and in fact was on a personal errand would effect their liability? in terms of filing, nothing matters. But as far as establishing responsibilities and failure to meet them, this detail doesn't strike me as relevant. And since the burden of evidence is lighter in a civil trial, their case isn't as affected by the lack of evidence. They just have to get a jury to believe that he hunted down the kid, leading to the confrontation, then decide that makes the homeowners association 35% responsible for the lethal confrontation and multiply that by 50M$. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southern_Man 0 #1079 April 9, 2012 QuoteQuote[Why? Did they have something to do w/ Zimmermann being in charge of neighborhood watch? They named him in a newsletter as the man to talk to about problems. Seems pretty spurious to me."What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #1080 April 9, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuote[Why? Did they have something to do w/ Zimmermann being in charge of neighborhood watch? They named him in a newsletter as the man to talk to about problems. Seems pretty spurious to me. If your apartment building hired a handyman who flooded your apartment, you're going to sue the landlord, not the handyman. In this case, they appointed a man with a gun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #1081 April 9, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote[Why? Did they have something to do w/ Zimmermann being in charge of neighborhood watch? They named him in a newsletter as the man to talk to about problems. Seems pretty spurious to me. If your apartment building hired a handyman who flooded your apartment, you're going to sue the landlord, not the handyman. In this case, they appointed a man with a gun. They hired a watchman, not a cop - ENTIRELY different than your handyman scenario.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #1082 April 9, 2012 QuoteQuote If your apartment building hired a handyman who flooded your apartment, you're going to sue the landlord, not the handyman. In this case, they appointed a man with a gun. They hired a watchman, not a cop - ENTIRELY different than your handyman scenario. I said man, not cop. And appointed, not hired. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #1083 April 9, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuote If your apartment building hired a handyman who flooded your apartment, you're going to sue the landlord, not the handyman. In this case, they appointed a man with a gun. They hired a watchman, not a cop - ENTIRELY different than your handyman scenario. I said man, not cop. And appointed, not hired. And the gun is immaterial - unless you have something from the HOA that specifies the person must have a Florida CHL.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #1084 April 9, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote If your apartment building hired a handyman who flooded your apartment, you're going to sue the landlord, not the handyman. In this case, they appointed a man with a gun. They hired a watchman, not a cop - ENTIRELY different than your handyman scenario. I said man, not cop. And appointed, not hired. And the gun is immaterial - unless you have something from the HOA that specifies the person must have a Florida CHL. yes, the gun is immaterial. What is material - a representative of the HOA killed a man. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #1085 April 9, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote If your apartment building hired a handyman who flooded your apartment, you're going to sue the landlord, not the handyman. In this case, they appointed a man with a gun. They hired a watchman, not a cop - ENTIRELY different than your handyman scenario. I said man, not cop. And appointed, not hired. And the gun is immaterial - unless you have something from the HOA that specifies the person must have a Florida CHL. yes, the gun is immaterial. What is material - a representative of the HOA killed a man. And the defense can counter that he was not under explicit instruction from the HOA board to follow Martin. I'd be unsurprised to find the Martins using that tack, though - after all...they're just trying to get paid.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wlsc 0 #1086 April 9, 2012 ...Ben Crump, the Martin family lawyer, said that Trayvon's parents were trying to be patient and still hoped he would receive justice. "We want a very public trial so the evidence can come out and show people that the justice system works for everybody," he said. "We know we want that day to come. "We had hoped she [Miss Corey] had enough evidence without the need to convene a grand jury," he said. "The family is trying to have patience and faith through all of this."... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #1087 April 9, 2012 Quote And the defense can counter that he was not under explicit instruction from the HOA board to follow Martin. That wouldn't be enough to clear them. Bus drivers have clear direction not to text while driving, but any accidents that happen by them still are their responsibility. A finding that this was a self defensive shooting helps considerably. A finding that there isn't enough evidence to proceed, otoh, will fan the flames. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southern_Man 0 #1088 April 9, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote[Why? Did they have something to do w/ Zimmermann being in charge of neighborhood watch? They named him in a newsletter as the man to talk to about problems. Seems pretty spurious to me. If your apartment building hired a handyman who flooded your apartment, you're going to sue the landlord, not the handyman. In this case, they appointed a man with a gun. Appointed, named? I guess I'd have to see the newsletter to know. Was he appointed to some sort of official position by the HOA Board? Then that was announced in the newsletter? It could also have been much more informal--this guy is interested in starting a neighborhood watch, if you are interested you can talk to him. Those are two very different scenarios."What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #1089 April 9, 2012 Quote Plus, lawyers say, Exhibit A would be a newsletter sent by the association to residents in February, the same month as the shooting. It said Zimmerman was the go-to person for residents who had been the victims of a crime. Under the heading "Neighborhood Watch," the newsletter's message recommended that residents first call police and then "please contact our Captain, George Zimmerman ... so he can be aware and help address the issue with other residents." Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2012/04/08/national/a235945D24.DTL#ixzz1rZtCPoJT AP article, print by SF Chronicle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #1090 April 9, 2012 Quotethey're just trying to get paid. This based on your own bias and delusions,? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 362 #1091 April 9, 2012 QuoteThat, on top of copyrighting Trayvon's name, really makes it look like the family just wants to get paid. Numerous people were making money off of Trayvon's name, for example by making/selling T-shirts. My understanding is that Trayvon's parents wanted to put a stop to such exploitative behavior, and to do that they had to have legal control (copyright) of the name. Sorry if that explanation doesn't fit with your program of retroactively demonizing Trayvon and his family/sympathizers, but it makes more sense to me than your model of parents who see their son's death as nothing but an opportunity for commercial gain. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #1092 April 9, 2012 >This based on your own bias and delusions,? To be fair I think he's just parroting the conservative line. This is the same group that called the mother of a dead soldier a "media whore" for speaking up against the war, and who called an activist college student a whore and a slut for speaking her mind on women's health. The pattern is pretty clear, and often people just adopt that mindset without really thinking about it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #1093 April 9, 2012 Quote>This based on your own bias and delusions,? To be fair I think he's just parroting the conservative line. This is the same group that called the mother of a dead soldier a "media whore" for speaking up against the war Funny how she stopped getting into the news once Obama was elected, isn't it? But to rebut: As opposed to the group that talks about the rape of a VP nominee's child? The group that fantasizes about 'hate-fucking' conservative women? Quote, and who called an activist college student a whore and a slut for speaking her mind on women's health. Speaking her mind on women's health? Is *that* what you call "pay for my contraception", now? Funny how she can afford thousands in tuition, but not 6 bucks for a box of condoms. QuoteThe pattern is pretty clear, and often people just adopt that mindset without really thinking about it. So's the liberal pattern of (attempting) to make it all about race and (oh so) conveniently forgetting to mention Martin's attack on Zimmerman, while making all sorts of fantastic claims about Zimmerman tracking Martin down to kill him for walking while black.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southern_Man 0 #1094 April 10, 2012 Well now those people who is convinced Zimmermann is a victim have a chance to put their money where their mouth is: http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/09/us/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1"What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #1095 April 10, 2012 QuoteWell now those people who is convinced Zimmermann is a victim have a chance to put their money where their mouth is: http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/09/us/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 Good for him!Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #1096 April 10, 2012 Keep in mind, this is the party of the Black Panthers, The Weather Underground, Bill Ayres, The KKK, George Zimmerman, Jerimiah Wright, Louis Farakkan etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southern_Man 0 #1097 April 10, 2012 QuoteQuoteWell now those people who is convinced Zimmermann is a victim have a chance to put their money where their mouth is: http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/09/us/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 Good for him! Well, I guess it is ok if some people get paid."What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #1098 April 10, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteWell now those people who is convinced Zimmermann is a victim have a chance to put their money where their mouth is: http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/09/us/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 Good for him! Well, I guess it is ok if some people get paid. He's *asking* for donations - a bit different than trademarking his name and calling for reparations from the makers of Skittles and Arizona Ice Tea, like some tweets have called for, wouldn't you say?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #1099 April 10, 2012 QuoteWell now those people who is convinced Zimmermann is a victim have a chance to put their money where their mouth is: http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/09/us/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 geez, no small amount of bias in this article. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 333 #1100 April 10, 2012 Quote He's *asking* for donations - a bit different than trademarking his name and calling for reparations from the makers of Skittles and Arizona Ice Tea, like some tweets have called for, wouldn't you say? I'm certain that you would be telling us how evil the Martin family was if they were pandering for donations in this way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
