mnealtx 0 #1126 April 10, 2012 QuoteQuoteSo is describing pushing an undercover cop as a violent assault - I didn't describe it as a violent assault. Are you creating strawmen again? "looking for a confrontation" (post 27)? "I would not be suprised if Zimmerman felt more powerful with a gun, which influenced his course of action." (post 68) "So, gun owners kill innocent people all the time? " (post 79) "if you go looking for trouble, don't be surprised when you find trouble." (post 102) I guess you were talking about jaywalking, then?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #1127 April 10, 2012 Quote"looking for a confrontation" (post 27)? "I would not be suprised if Zimmerman felt more powerful with a gun, which influenced his course of action." (post 68) "So, gun owners kill innocent people all the time? " (post 79) "if you go looking for trouble, don't be surprised when you find trouble." (post 102) None of those quotes have anything to do with Zimmerman pushing an undercover cop. Wrong again, followed by a strawman. Are you starting to see a pattern? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #1128 April 10, 2012 QuoteQuoteYup, he was *SOOOOOOOO* violent he was put in a diversion program...the horrors! Not the same as having the charges dropped. Not the same as a conviction for a violent crime, either - in fact, the charge was reduced from a felony to a misdemeanor prior to the diversion program. QuoteYou were wrong as usual. And even when you are this obviously wrong, you cannot admit it and just create another strawman. Like you attributing my response to Don as a response to you just above? Yeah, tell me *ALL* about it, Dekker. QuoteFox News indeed. MSNBC as usual. QuoteQuoteOh, wait... that doesn't fit the "truth" about Zimmerman and the cops all being racist and in on the deal, does it? First I am hearing of it. If that is what Zimemrman did, good for him! Mentioned a few pages back - maybe you should spend more time reading the thread and other info instead of spouting off without benefit of information. QuoteI don't know what the truth is in the case between Zimmerman and Martin. Really? Certainly didn't stop you from asserting that Zimmerman was looking for a confrontation or for trouble, upthread. QuoteWaiting to see what the outcome of all of this is. Something you seem to be unable to do for yourself. Yeah, I'm thinking that one's pretty well debunked by your own statements upthread, too.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #1129 April 10, 2012 Mike, you've made you bias against the black kid abundantly clear already. You don't have to keep arguing the same thing over and over again.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #1130 April 10, 2012 QuoteQuote"looking for a confrontation" (post 27)? "I would not be suprised if Zimmerman felt more powerful with a gun, which influenced his course of action." (post 68) "So, gun owners kill innocent people all the time? " (post 79) "if you go looking for trouble, don't be surprised when you find trouble." (post 102) None of those quotes have anything to do with Zimmerman pushing an undercover cop. They ALL illustrate your opinion that Zimmerman was looking for a fight. QuoteWrong again, followed by a strawman. Sort of like claiming that the response to Don was meant for you? That sort of strawman? QuoteAre you starting to see a pattern? Yup - you've already decided Zimmerman was violent and so anything to the contrary *MUST* be misinformation.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #1131 April 10, 2012 That's a damn LIE and a personal attack. I have NO bias against race. You can withdraw the statement or have it reported to moderators. Your choice.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wlsc 0 #1132 April 10, 2012 QuoteThat's a damn LIE and a personal attack. I have NO bias against race. You can withdraw the statement or have it reported to moderators. Your choice. You sure are biased against the dead black kid and his family. Unless you're just playing devil's advocate? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #1133 April 11, 2012 QuoteThat's a damn LIE and a personal attack. I have NO bias against race. You can withdraw the statement or have it reported to moderators. Your choice. Just commenting on the posts you've made, which speak for themselves. If you want to play cry-baby, be my guest.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #1134 April 11, 2012 QuoteQuoteThat's a damn LIE and a personal attack. I have NO bias against race. You can withdraw the statement or have it reported to moderators. Your choice. Just commenting on the posts you've made, which speak for themselves. Yes, they do - not ONCE have I denigrated his race. Quote If you want to play cry-baby, be my guest. And another. So be it.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wlsc 0 #1135 April 11, 2012 While you're having a hissy fit Zimmerman's lawyers have quit. Looks like they don't have much trust in him and his stories. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #1136 April 11, 2012 QuoteWhile you're having a hissy fit Zimmerman's lawyers have quit. Looks like they don't have much trust in him and his stories. Not true. I watched their televised press conference yesterday and they reaffirmed their belief that he acted in self-defense based on the evidence. Their stated reason for withdrawing their counsel is a break in communication. They lost contact with him last Friday, 6 Apr. During that time he contacted the special prosecutor without their representation. Zimmerman's action broke the attorney-client privileged relationship.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #1137 April 11, 2012 QuoteQuoteWhile you're having a hissy fit Zimmerman's lawyers have quit. Looks like they don't have much trust in him and his stories. Not true. I watched their televised press conference yesterday and they reaffirmed their belief that he acted in self-defense based on the evidence. Their stated reason for withdrawing their counsel is a break in communication. They lost contact with him last Friday, 6 Apr. During that time he contacted the special prosecutor without their representation. Zimmerman's action broke the attorney-client privileged relationship. Zimmerman also contacted a (name not mentioned) member of the media. His former attornies also said that Zimmerman is probably suffering from some form of 'post traumatic stress syndrome'. By these actions, on Zimmerman's part, he's really not helping his case. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muff528 3 #1138 April 11, 2012 QuoteQuoteWhile you're having a hissy fit Zimmerman's lawyers have quit. Looks like they don't have much trust in him and his stories. Not true. I watched their televised press conference yesterday and they reaffirmed their belief that he acted in self-defense based on the evidence. Their stated reason for withdrawing their counsel is a break in communication. They lost contact with him last Friday, 6 Apr. During that time he contacted the special prosecutor without their representation. Zimmerman's action broke the attorney-client privileged relationship. Looks like he bugged out...left the state. I can't say I blame him. Members of the Federal Government have publicly renounced his rights as a citizen and powerful, influential religious leaders have issued a fatwa against him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #1139 April 11, 2012 QuoteQuoteThat's a damn LIE and a personal attack. I have NO bias against race. You can withdraw the statement or have it reported to moderators. Your choice. You sure are biased against the dead black kid and his family. Unless you're just playing devil's advocate? 90% of blacks are killed by blacks"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #1140 April 11, 2012 You go Rush! Fight fire with fire, eh? That's all you can really do with people like him...but it's fun nonetheless, in'it? ...and don't forget the golden argument "2+2=4." It's powerful enough to silence your most feared nemesis! Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #1141 April 11, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteThat's a damn LIE and a personal attack. I have NO bias against race. You can withdraw the statement or have it reported to moderators. Your choice. Just commenting on the posts you've made, which speak for themselves. Yes, they do - not ONCE have I denigrated his race. Quote If you want to play cry-baby, be my guest. And another. So be it. The mnealtx doth protest too much, methinks.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #1142 April 11, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteThat's a damn LIE and a personal attack. I have NO bias against race. You can withdraw the statement or have it reported to moderators. Your choice. You sure are biased against the dead black kid and his family. Unless you're just playing devil's advocate? 90% of blacks are killed by blacks How is that relevant in THIS case?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #1143 April 11, 2012 Quote You go Rush! Fight fire with fire, eh? That's all you can really do with people like him...but it's fun nonetheless, in'it? ...and don't forget the golden argument - 2+2=4 It is fun with a sharp point No reason to try any harder as he has done it to himself"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #1144 April 11, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThat's a damn LIE and a personal attack. I have NO bias against race. You can withdraw the statement or have it reported to moderators. Your choice. You sure are biased against the dead black kid and his family. Unless you're just playing devil's advocate? 90% of blacks are killed by blacks How is that relevant in THIS case? You posting this, following the comments you made to mike a few posts back, really shows you are way behind in this thread And not by acident me thinks"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #1145 April 11, 2012 Good stuff: http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/11/opinion/granderson-violence-race/index.html?hpt=hp_c3 "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #1146 April 11, 2012 What's good about it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #1147 April 11, 2012 Quote well, that was clear as mud. Your first sentence says there's no circumstance. And immediately thereafter, you say: "But if....." You need to read the WHOLE post. If a guy makes verbal threats..... You have no justification in using force. But if he is making verbal threats AND you have a reasonable belief he is trying to hurt you, then you can defend yourself. The difference is a guy yelling at you that he is going to "kick your ass" and a guy yelling he is going to "kick your ass" while walking toward you with a bat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #1148 April 11, 2012 QuoteShooting an unarmed person dead is generally extralegal, in defiance of existing law. He may well get away with it, though. Not when that person is beating your head into the concrete. QuoteNot forgetting anything. It remains to be seen if Z is telling the truth. You are forgetting it since you keep trying to claim Zimmerman's actions were illegal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #1149 April 11, 2012 QuoteHe was stalking a guy who was doing nothing wrong, and that guy punched him...a reasonable response. No, it is not. It is the action of a hot head. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #1150 April 11, 2012 QuoteQuoteShooting an unarmed person dead is generally extralegal, in defiance of existing law. He may well get away with it, though. Not when that person is beating your head into the concrete. QuoteNot forgetting anything. It remains to be seen if Z is telling the truth. You are forgetting it since you keep trying to claim Zimmerman's actions were illegal. I make no claim to knowing the TRUTH about the interaction between Z and M, other than that M is dead, shot by Z, and that M was unarmed. Do you KNOW, FOR SURE, that Z's story is true? If so, you should contact the Florida authorities ASAP.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
