Florida Teen Shot

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Perhaps true. But as the gun advocates put it - "it is better to be judged by twelve than carried by six." Zimmerman made his choice.

True, he could of just continued to let Trayvon bash his head against the concrete till he passed out or just stopped on his own.

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Perhaps true. But as the gun advocates put it - "it is better to be judged by twelve than carried by six." Zimmerman made his choice.

True, he could of just continued to let Trayvon bash his head against the concrete till he passed out or just stopped on his own.

He could of just remained in his truck.

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Thats good, Fox news should take notes.

Why? Fox news didn't edit anything to make it sound racist.

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In this case, they appointed a man with a gun.

Unless you can show they required him to carry a gun, then they only appointed a man. The fact that he carried a gun was not the act of the organization.

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I make no claim to knowing the TRUTH

Bull shit, you have called Zimmerman a "vigilante"

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He could of just remained in his truck.

That is not a violent act. Bashing someone's head in is.

[kallend 2,027]

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I make no claim to knowing the TRUTH

Bull shit, you have called Zimmerman a "vigilante"

He is not a cop, yet BY HIS OWN ADMISSION he goes out with a gun looking for criminals.

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[wlsc 0]

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He could of just remained in his truck.

That is not a violent act. Bashing someone's head in is.

Which is just the story given by Zimmerman. You believe him - others don't.

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He is not a cop, yet BY HIS OWN ADMISSION he goes out with a gun looking for criminals.

Sorry, he does not go out looking to PUNISH, only identify and locate. His call to 911 shows that:

Vigilante: a member of a volunteer committee organized to suppress and punish crime summarily (as when the processes of law are viewed as inadequate); broadly : a self-appointed doer of justice

So basically, you failed to understand the definition of the words you used.

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Which is just the story given by Zimmerman. You believe him - others don't.

Actually, I believe the police that saw the wounds and the EMT's that treated the wounds....Others don't

[kallend 2,027]

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He is not a cop, yet BY HIS OWN ADMISSION he goes out with a gun looking for criminals.

Sorry, he does not go out looking to PUNISH, only identify and locate. His call to 911 shows that:

Vigilante: a member of a volunteer committee organized to suppress and punish crime summarily (as when the processes of law are viewed as inadequate); broadly : a self-appointed doer of justice

So basically, you failed to understand the definition of the words you used.

Maybe my source is better:

Vigilante: watchman, guard. From vigilante vigilant, from Latin vigilant-, vigilans

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[kallend 2,027]

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Which is just the story given by Zimmerman. You believe him - others don't.

Actually, I believe the police that saw the wounds and the EMT's that treated the wounds....Others don't

Were the police and EMTs there IMMEDIATELY after the killing? You can do lots of things to your own head in 1 minute.

I am sure that you will believe what you want to believe, and disregard the rest.

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Were the police and EMTs there IMMEDIATELY after the killing? You can do lots of things to your own head in 1 minute.

Yet the witnesses claim to have seen Zimmerman on his back with the kid on top, and NONE of the witnesses claim Zimmerman did any damage to himself.

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I am sure that you will believe what you want to believe, and disregard the rest.

Yet only you are really ignoring the available data.

[kallend 2,027]

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Were the police and EMTs there IMMEDIATELY after the killing? You can do lots of things to your own head in 1 minute.

Yet the witnesses claim to have seen Zimmerman on his back with the kid on top, and NONE of the witnesses claim Zimmerman did any damage to himself.

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I am sure that you will believe what you want to believe, and disregard the rest.

Yet only you are really ignoring the available data.

The reliability and impartiality of the eye witnesses is what the dispute is about. You clearly are believing them because you want to.

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The reliability and impartiality of the eye witnesses is what the dispute is about. You clearly are believing them because you want to.

and you're choosing to not believe them because you don't want to. You wish to default to a presumption of guilt unless someone can convince you otherwise, which is in contrast with American principles of justice.

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and you're choosing to not believe them because you don't want to. You wish to default to a presumption of guilt unless someone can convince you otherwise, which is in contrast with American principles of justice.

Bullshit, we know he is guilty of shooting Martin.

The question is:

Can he be charged with it?
If yes, was it self defence?

To answer those questions we have to turn to facts and evidence. Part of that is the eye witness testimony, which is problematic since it isn't very reliable. In this case there might be some questions regarding impartiality as well.

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and you're choosing to not believe them because you don't want to. You wish to default to a presumption of guilt unless someone can convince you otherwise, which is in contrast with American principles of justice.

Bullshit, we know he is guilty of shooting Martin.

The question is:

Can he be charged with it?
If yes, was it self defence?

To answer those questions we have to turn to facts and evidence. Part of that is the eye witness testimony, which is problematic since it isn't very reliable. In this case there might be some questions regarding impartiality as well.

He can't be "guilty" of shooting Martin - that is not a crime. A crime would be assault with a deadly weapon, or involuntary manslaughter, or murder. And self defense can negate any of these.

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that is not a crime. A crime would be assault with a deadly weapon, or involuntary manslaughter, or murder. And self defense can negate any of these.

And in all of those cases you would not just take an eye witness at face value (no pun intended) because of a presumption of innocence.

We know the act occured and we know who the shooter was. Now we have to find out if what he did was illegal.

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MSNBC is reporting that criminal charges will be announced at 6pm est.

[billvon 2,991]

>MSNBC is reporting that criminal charges will be announced at 3pm est.

It would be good to have a court decide his guilt or innocence based on the best evidence both sides can collect. I know that will make a lot of Internet Kojacks unhappy, but c'est la vie.

[wlsc 0]

This is more a case for Colombo.

[kallend 2,027]

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The reliability and impartiality of the eye witnesses is what the dispute is about. You clearly are believing them because you want to.

and you're choosing to not believe them because you don't want to. You wish to default to a presumption of guilt unless someone can convince you otherwise, which is in contrast with American principles of justice.

I'm not at this point taking either side. In addition to the cited eye witnesses, I don't necessarily believe M's girlfriend's version of the phone conversation, and give little credibility to the mortician.

IMO there are just too many holes in the information available to us to draw any conclusions. Let's hope the independent investigators come up with something useful.

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>MSNBC is reporting that criminal charges will be announced at 3pm est.

It would be good to have a court decide his guilt or innocence based on the best evidence both sides can collect. I know that will make a lot of Internet Kojacks unhappy, but c'est la vie.

it's good if he is eventually found guilty. It's bad if he's found not guilty and it's obvious in hindsight that it would be the result (either due to the evidence of the glaring lack thereof) because a trial will cost him substantially, regardless of the outcome.

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>MSNBC is reporting that criminal charges will be announced at 3pm est.

It would be good to have a court decide his guilt or innocence based on the best evidence both sides can collect. I know that will make a lot of Internet Kojacks unhappy, but c'est la vie.

it's good if he is eventually found guilty. It's bad if he's found not guilty and it's obvious in hindsight that it would be the result (either due to the evidence of the glaring lack thereof) because a trial will cost him substantially, regardless of the outcome.

But not cost him as much as the kid he shot dead.