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I read a tiny blurb today where her office asserts that GZ was profiling the kid, though you can't read any detail out of an elevator news crawl.

http://hosted.ap.org/specials/interactives/_documents/zimmerman-affidavit.pdf

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>She stated in her press conference that she wanted justice for Martin
>That seems to show a clear bias

You're right. Wanting justice for someone demonstrates a clear anti-conservative bias.

Ahhh

but what if Zimmerman was the victim and he was defending his own life?

But of course the only one needing justice is Martin

Fuck Zimmerman, correct?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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>She stated in her press conference that she wanted justice for Martin
>That seems to show a clear bias

You're right. Wanting justice for someone demonstrates a clear anti-conservative bias.

Ahhh

but what if Zimmerman was the victim and he was defending his own life?

But of course the only one needing justice is Martin

Fuck Zimmerman, correct?

Martin doesn't get a lawyer, and to go before a judge and jury to decide if he should live or die - he's dead already.

GZ has access to justice that was denied to TM.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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>but what if Zimmerman was the victim and he was defending his own life?

Then justice will be served by finding him not guilty. His indictment will let a jury decide if that is the case.

>Fuck Zimmerman, correct?

If you like.

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>but what if Zimmerman was the victim and he was defending his own life?

Then justice will be served by finding him not guilty. His indictment will let a jury decide if that is the case.

>Fuck Zimmerman, correct?

If you like.

But the special prosecutor has already decided that Martin needs justice

Not Zimmerman

Maybe you can throw inocent until proven guilty under the bus for your political views

But I will not

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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>She stated in her press conference that she wanted justice for Martin
>That seems to show a clear bias

You're right. Wanting justice for someone demonstrates a clear anti-conservative bias.

Ahhh

but what if Zimmerman was the victim and he was defending his own life?

But of course the only one needing justice is Martin

Fuck Zimmerman, correct?

Martin doesn't get a lawyer, and to go before a judge and jury to decide if he should live or die - he's dead already.

GZ has access to justice that was denied to TM.

The ignorance of this post is very blinding

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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But the special prosecutor has already decided that Martin needs justice

Not Zimmerman

Maybe you can throw inocent until proven guilty under the bus for your political views

But I will not

Presumption of innocence is more for the judge and the jury. The prosecutor's job is to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the accused is indeed guilty. I assume she believes Zimmerman to be guilty based on the evidence, or she would not be moving the case forward.

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But the special prosecutor has already decided that Martin needs justice

Not Zimmerman

Maybe you can throw inocent until proven guilty under the bus for your political views

But I will not

Presumption of innocence is more for the judge and the jury. The prosecutor's job is to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the accused is indeed guilty. I assume she believes Zimmerman to be guilty based on the evidence, or she would not be moving the case forward.

Wow

You taking lessons from kallend now?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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But the special prosecutor has already decided that Martin needs justice

Not Zimmerman

She said she doesn't want justice for Zimmerman?

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Maybe you can throw inocent until proven guilty under the bus for your political views

Well we know Zimmerman is not innocent of killing Martin. What we don't know if it was a criminal act. So, at this point we don't know if he is criminaly innocent or guilty, that's for the judge and or jury.

How do you feel the presumption of innocence has been "under the bus?"

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You taking lessons from kallend now?

Why, is kallend a law teacher now?

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You taking lessons from kallend now?

Why, is kallend a law teacher now?

Well, you have Boyle's Law, Charles' Law, the Laws of Themodynamics and Fudd's First Law of Opposition. Violate them at your peril.

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And this has *what* to do with the Zimmerman case, pray tell?

Just part of a pattern.

...“White people want to view this as an isolated incident and dismiss any possibility that racism could be at play. Meanwhile, black people see this incident as part of a long -standing and well-documented pattern of racism, where men of color are routinely racially profiled and treated unfairly, often with deadly consequences,” Keleher said.

“What’s most troubling about this is that the views of most whites seem to align closely with those of the Florida law enforcement establishment, which, by its actions and inaction, has been mostly sympathetic to the perspective and plight of a light-skinned armed and aggressive assailant than an unarmed and murdered black youth,” Keleher added.

The online poll of 1,922 Americans was conducted between Monday and Thursday and included 1,289 whites, 219 African-Americans and 267 Latinos...

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Well, you have Boyle's Law, Charles' Law, the Laws of Themodynamics and Fudd's First Law of Opposition. Violate them at your peril.

Yes, of course.

Now do any of those explain what a "prosecutor" is?

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>But the special prosecutor has already decided that Martin needs justice -
>not Zimmerman

?? Do you have a link of her saying "Zimmerman does not need justice?"

They both "need justice" of course. They were both involved in this.

>Maybe you can throw inocent until proven guilty under the bus for
>your political views

Nope. He is indeed innocent until proven guilty. That's what the justice system is for. If you are right and he is indeed innocent the court will deliver that verdict - and he will have the justice you speak of.

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>But the special prosecutor has already decided that Martin needs justice -
>not Zimmerman

?? Do you have a link of her saying "Zimmerman does not need justice?"

They both "need justice" of course. They were both involved in this.

>Maybe you can throw inocent until proven guilty under the bus for
>your political views

Nope. He is indeed innocent until proven guilty. That's what the justice system is for. If you are right and he is indeed innocent the court will deliver that verdict - and he will have the justice you speak of.

"Is that the way it works, Chester?"

"Not in my neighborhood!"

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>but what if Zimmerman was the victim and he was defending his own life?

Then justice will be served by finding him not guilty. His indictment will let a jury decide if that is the case.

except that he will have been jailed for weeks up to a year for the trial, have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars he doesn't have, and in any case still be marked as a killer with possible physical retribution. If he is the victim, he has still lost. If he wasn't the victim, then he's getting 25% of the punishment owed to him.

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Based on the publicly available evidence...

Evidence? Publicly available CLAIMS, more like.

What is actual, hard, admissible evidence remains to be seen.

yeah, I can go with that. Which is why I went on to say we'll know a bit better when the case is presented.

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Trayvon Martin’s mother has reviewed the 911 calls and identified the voice crying for help as Trayvon Martin’s voice...

there's evidence....snort.

That's like asking her to identify the killer out of a lineup of GZ and TM.

So she doesn't know the sound of her own son? You think she's lying.

I cannot take on faith the testimony of a grieving mother eager for justice, that the cries on a poorly recorded cellphone call are definitely her son's. Is she really going to say it was the other guy??

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>except that he will have been jailed for weeks up to a year for the
>trial, have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars he doesn't have . . .

Yes. There's an old saying "I'd rather be judged by twelve than carried by six." It's a gun supporter's favorite, reminding people that they can indeed use a gun to defend themselves - but that the choice they are making is to risk being tried for that action.

Zimmerman made his choice.

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Trayvon Martin’s mother has reviewed the 911 calls and identified the voice crying for help as Trayvon Martin’s voice...

there's evidence....snort.

That's like asking her to identify the killer out of a lineup of GZ and TM.

So she doesn't know the sound of her own son? You think she's lying.

I cannot take on faith the testimony of a grieving mother eager for justice, that the cries on a poorly recorded cellphone call are definitely her son's. Is she really going to say it was the other guy??

Do you take on faith the claims of a guy who has a self-interest of clearing himself from charges?

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"

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except that he will have been jailed for weeks up to a year for the trial, have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars he doesn't have, and in any case still be marked as a killer with possible physical retribution. If he is the victim, he has still lost. If he wasn't the victim, then he's getting 25% of the punishment owed to him.

Some of that is simply the consequences of his own actions though. Being part of neighbourhood watch, actively following those you think might be unsavoury, it carries a risk with it.

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>but what if Zimmerman was the victim and he was defending his own life?

Then justice will be served by finding him not guilty. His indictment will let a jury decide if that is the case.

except that he will have been jailed for weeks up to a year for the trial, have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars he doesn't have, and in any case still be marked as a killer with possible physical retribution. If he is the victim, he has still lost. If he wasn't the victim, then he's getting 25% of the punishment owed to him.

You've forgotten about his multi-million dollar book deal and tv interviews. Murdoch will be all over him.

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>>I cannot take on faith the testimony of a grieving mother . . .

>Do you take on faith the claims of a guy who has a self-interest of clearing
>himself from charges?

I don't think we should take either one on faith. I think having a jury decide after seeing both sides is a much better idea.

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>>I cannot take on faith the testimony of a grieving mother . . .

>Do you take on faith the claims of a guy who has a self-interest of clearing
>himself from charges?

I don't think we should take either one on faith. I think having a jury decide after seeing both sides is a much better idea.

That is what I think, too.

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"

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>except that he will have been jailed for weeks up to a year for the
>trial, have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars he doesn't have . . .

Yes. There's an old saying "I'd rather be judged by twelve than carried by six." It's a gun supporter's favorite, reminding people that they can indeed use a gun to defend themselves - but that the choice they are making is to risk being tried for that action.

Zimmerman made his choice.

that's an entirely different question than "will justice be served." Being jailed a year and losing money (though the comment that he can probably get even via Fox money sounds valid) may be preferable to death, but it's hardly an outcome you desire.

Try again.