RonD1120 62 #1 March 23, 2012 "2016" An extremely important movie is coming this summer called "2016" - about Obama. Dinesh D'Souza is author of many New York Times best sellers. The movie is from Gerald R. Molen, producer of Academy Award Winning Schindler's List. It explains in plain language who Barack Obama really is, what he stands for, and the dangers of him being reelected for another four years. Watch this short informative video preview of this movie which came out only yesterday [around 7 Mar 12] and share it with others. It has already been seen by several thousands of people. Within a very short time it will have been seen by millions! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6QOscKvUjULook for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #2 March 23, 2012 I really hope I never live in the amount of fear that you live with. If you have Grandkids, I hope you give them a chance to live a happy life and not terrify them with this gibberish Funny, you can jump out of planes, but Obama terrifies you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #3 March 23, 2012 Quote but Obama terrifies you. Obama actually terrifies alot of people who value their individual freedom, and who value their country enough to not want it awash in unsustainable debt driven by utopian dreams completely detached from any fiscal reality they live in.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #4 March 23, 2012 QuoteObama actually terrifies alot of people who value their individual freedom What has Obama done to curtail your individual freedom? Is it all about the healthcare law, or is there something else? Quoteand who value their country enough to not want it awash in unsustainable debt driven by utopian dreams completely detached from any fiscal reality they live in. I'm afraid of that as well. I don't see any politicians on either side of the fence who look like they want to do anything about it. Except Ron Paul, and his solutions would just make everything worse. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #5 March 23, 2012 and he's different from the previous bunch ........ in what respect? (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #6 March 23, 2012 Quote What has Obama done to curtail your individual freedom? Is it all about the healthcare law, or is there something else? There's a large list of things that Obama, his Justice Dept, and his EPA Dept have done that show a distinct lack of respect for the rule of law in a blind implementation. On top of this, the health care law has the potential to inject government control over an enormous swath of our individual freedom. As "wise bureaucrats" continue to interpret whatever it means, I fully expect an ever increasing list of ridiculous decisions to be implemented. Want sugar in your diet? Well, you can't without paying some ridiculous penalty unless your black or Muslim. Potentially, they could even say "You skydive? Wow's that really risky behavior and our health care system can't afford to pay for any injuries that result from that, so here's another penalty for you to pay". The potential for such decisions is enormous, IMO, all of which will restrict individual pursuit of life and happiness for some perceived greater cause. That's not what America is about, as enshrined in our constitution.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #7 March 23, 2012 QuoteThere's a large list of things that Obama, his Justice Dept, and his EPA Dept have done that show a distinct lack of respect for the rule of law in a blind implementation. I've asked this question before, and usually get a similar answer. I'd really like specific examples. Just one or two would be great. QuoteOn top of this, On top of what? You've provided no bottom to be on top of. Quotethe health care law has the potential to inject government control over an enormous swath of our individual freedom. Well, I suppose any law has this "potential" if you want to reach far enough. My understanding of the ACA is that it requires most people to have health insurance. If you don't have it, you pay a penalty. That's basically it in a nutshell. What parts of the ACA (not the made up parts like death panels, but real parts, please) do you think curtail your individual freedoms? Again, one or two specifics, please. QuoteAs "wise bureaucrats" continue to interpret whatever it means, I fully expect an ever increasing list of ridiculous decisions to be implemented. Want sugar in your diet? Well, you can't without paying some ridiculous penalty unless your black or Muslim. Seriously, dude? Quote Potentially, they could even say "You skydive? Wow's that really risky behavior and our health care system can't afford to pay for any injuries that result from that, so here's another penalty for you to pay". The potential for such decisions is enormous, IMO, all of which will restrict individual pursuit of life and happiness for some perceived greater cause. That's not what America is about, as enshrined in our constitution. Again, all "potential" decisions that really seem to have no basis in the actual law. Unless I'm missing something. If so, please clue me in. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #8 March 23, 2012 QuoteI really hope I never live in the amount of fear that you live with. If you have Grandkids, I hope you give them a chance to live a happy life and not terrify them with this gibberish Funny, you can jump out of planes, but Obama terrifies you. Fear is a great motivator. Sport parachuting taught me how to make it my friend. I will tell you what is really amusing, funny if you will, to me. Of all the folks I communicate with, both here and my other residence in north GA, the only opposition I receive is from the faceless entities here on the SC. Whom do you fear?Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #9 March 23, 2012 Quote I've asked this question before, and usually get a similar answer. I'd really like specific examples. Just one or two would be great. Biggies in my mind are the GM/Chrysler "resolution", Fast and Furious, and just about every decision made by Lisa Jackson's EPA (see current articles on SCOTUS finally slapping them down). Quote What parts of the ACA (not the made up parts like death panels, but real parts, please) do you think curtail your individual freedoms? Again, one or two specifics, please. Buying my health insurance from whom I choose. Quote Seriously, dude? I used "black or Muslim" for illustration purposes. You realize that Muslims are exempt from ACA? Quote Again, all "potential" decisions that really seem to have no basis in the actual law. ACA itself doesn't have any basis in law.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
devildog 0 #10 March 23, 2012 QuoteQuoteObama actually terrifies alot of people who value their individual freedom What has Obama done to curtail your individual freedom? Is it all about the healthcare law, or is there something else? National Defense Authorization Act ring a bell? How about HR 347? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-morKF3QqI#! (Felony charges for free speech)You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 333 #11 March 23, 2012 Quote I will tell you what is really amusing, funny if you will, to me. Of all the folks I communicate with, both here and my other residence in north GA, the only opposition I receive is from the faceless entities here on the SC. I've had conversations in person with people off the deep end. I don't want to set them off, so I don't generally disagree with them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #12 March 23, 2012 QuoteQuote I will tell you what is really amusing, funny if you will, to me. Of all the folks I communicate with, both here and my other residence in north GA, the only opposition I receive is from the faceless entities here on the SC. I've had conversations in person with people off the deep end. I don't want to set them off, so I don't generally disagree with them. That is probably not a bad course to follow for your own safety. Since I have a MA in counseling and worked and lived in the field I have a professional edge. Outside the SC, the folks I communicate with are, for the most part, co-planners.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #13 March 23, 2012 QuoteBiggies in my mind are the GM/Chrysler "resolution" Not sure how that relates to your individual freedom. Quote, Fast and Furious, I agree that's fucked up. I thought that program started under Bush. Am I wrong? Quote and just about every decision made by Lisa Jackson's EPA (see current articles on SCOTUS finally slapping them down). I'll have to look into that. I'm generally in favor of a strong EPA, but I agree they can overstep their bounds. QuoteBuying my health insurance from whom I choose. ACA won't change that. QuoteYou realize that Muslims are exempt from ACA? Um no. That's patently ridiculous. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,457 #14 March 23, 2012 QuoteYou realize that Muslims are exempt from ACA?As are Christians and Native Americans. Oh. Only small subsets are exempt (e.g. Amish, some Christian Scientists, etc). Kind of like Muslims. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,457 #15 March 23, 2012 QuoteOutside the SC, the folks I communicate with are, for the most part, co-planners.A small self-selected group isn't representative of much besides a small self-selected group. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #16 March 23, 2012 QuoteQuoteOutside the SC, the folks I communicate with are, for the most part, co-planners.A small self-selected group isn't representative of much besides a small self-selected group. Wendy P. You are absolutely correct. I call them friends.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #17 March 23, 2012 QuoteQuote, Fast and Furious, I agree that's fucked up. I thought that program started under Bush. Am I wrong? QuoteYou realize that Muslims are exempt from ACA? Um no. That's patently ridiculous. The BATF has been pulling crap like "Fast and Furious" (it was "Project Gunwalker" to start) for a long time. There's a certain amount of debate over how involved different Presidents and their Attorneys General were involved or even knew about until the shit hit the fan. And there is no blanket exemption for any "religion". There are specific ways for groups to apply for an exemption, the Amish are the best example I know of."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #18 March 23, 2012 Quoteunsustainable debt driven by utopian dreams completely detached from any fiscal reality they live in. That's the american way though. Finance, finance, finance. Want a bigger car, finance it. Want a bigger house, finance it. Want nicer vacations, finance it. Want a bigger army, finance it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #19 March 23, 2012 QuoteQuote What has Obama done to curtail your individual freedom? Is it all about the healthcare law, or is there something else? There's a large list of things that Obama, his Justice Dept, and his EPA Dept have done that show a distinct lack of respect for the rule of law in a blind implementation. As opposed to Reno, Ashcroft, of Gonzales? Holder may be a tool, but it's hard to objectively separate him from these others. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #20 March 24, 2012 QuoteWhat has Obama done to curtail your individual freedom? Is it all about the healthcare law Is it all about that, Mrs. Kennedy? Or are there other bad memories of Dallas that you have? I kinda think that when a President - for the first time in history - aggressively pushes and gets a law passed that requires American citizens to participate in a private market that "freedom" has taken a MASSIVE hit. Quote don't see any politicians on either side of the fence who look like they want to do anything about it. Agreed QuoteExcept Ron Paul, and his solutions would just make everything worse. Yep. Ron Paul's solutions are like doing a thorough reorganization and cleaning of a room. Sometimes it's so bad you just have to throw everything in a pile (make it worse) and go from there. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #21 March 26, 2012 Quote Um no. That's patently ridiculous. Need to double check sources on that.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShcShc11 0 #22 March 26, 2012 Quote Quote but Obama terrifies you. Obama actually terrifies alot of people who value their individual freedom, and who value their country enough to not want it awash in unsustainable debt driven by utopian dreams completely detached from any fiscal reality they live in. I think we discussed this previously Its weird to have people say "Obama is detached from fiscal reality" when its pretty obvious that you're not sure what is happening with the economy neither (or what happened). If there's something "utopian", it is the idea that the economy will fix itself under the idea of free market when the financial institutions were near-collapse...the idea that the economy can rebound by restraining money when people were hoarding their money. The idea that 1970 stagflation recession has remotely any resemblance with an economy near the zero-bound monetary policy. Ignoring 1990 Japanese "lost-decade" recession and returning to very simple messages of "all debts are bad. Its like a family taking too much debt, etc..."\ Hugs and Cheers! Shc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #23 March 26, 2012 QuoteQuote but Obama terrifies you. Obama actually terrifies alot of people who value their individual freedom, and who value their country enough to not want it awash in unsustainable debt driven by utopian dreams completely detached from any fiscal reality they live in. OK, but Ronald Reagan is dead so harping on the problems he created isn't reason to hate Obama.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShcShc11 0 #24 March 27, 2012 Quote Buying my health insurance from whom I choose. In regards to ACA (aka Obamacare). I'm going try to be open-minded with it since I've been reading on the budgets, RomneyCare studies and CBO at work these days. I really am curious: what other alternatives are there ? Obamacare is literally the alternative proposed by the Republicans since the 1990s to Universal Health Care. They've been the main solution for the Republicans in the last 17 years. It is driven based on the free-market principle. If anyone read the GOP system for medicare (The RyanPlan), then his proposition is to use the SAME system to privatize medicare for the old! That is what Ryan's voucher plan is. So let's say Obamacare becomes unconstituional, then the Democrats would obviously push for Universal Health Care (through medicare illegibility expansion). So my question is: Does anyone have any studies/papers for alternatives to the 1990 Republican heritage health care (aka RomneyCare & Obamacare) and Universal Health Care (aka HillaryCare)? Thanks! Shc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShcShc11 0 #25 March 27, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuote but Obama terrifies you. Obama actually terrifies alot of people who value their individual freedom, and who value their country enough to not want it awash in unsustainable debt driven by utopian dreams completely detached from any fiscal reality they live in. OK, but Ronald Reagan is dead so harping on the problems he created isn't reason to hate Obama. Though Reagan pushed the U.S debt much higher, his administration should regardless be mostly judged on his handling of the Soviet Union. Talking about the Reagan debt would probably be like criticizing FDR for ramping up debt during WWII. It should be viewed in context with the world politics of its time. Cheers & hugs! Shc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
