Will Obamacare be Ruled to be Constitutional?

[rushmc 23]

More clarification

Now nearly as nasty by still not good

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/opinions/articles/2012/04/03/20120403-truth-should-decide-obamacare.html

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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[kallend 2,027]

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Starting in 2013

A 3.5% charge can be taken from your 401k to fund Medicare

this is new - can you show the cite? if so, it's a FREAKIN' DISASTER

Once they think they can dip into our 401Ks, then we really are doomed

First one

http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/realestate.asp

Did you actually READ what was in Snopes?

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[rushmc 23]

This is what the 401k claim is based on

Another mixture but still bad shit

http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/kithil.asp

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,027]

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This is what the 401k claim is based on

Another mixture but still bad shit

http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/kithil.asp

So, in summary, you're just posting untruths.

Got it.

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[rushmc 23]

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This is what the 401k claim is based on

Another mixture but still bad shit

http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/kithil.asp

So, in summary, you're just posting untruths.

Got it.

You are on a roll today

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kelpdiver 2]

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Already implimented
When you sell a house a 3% charge is taken to go to Medicare

Starting in 2013

A 3.5% charge can be taken from your 401k to fund Medicare

As your link noted, the first is a capital gains surcharge. Those income thresholds are a bit old (200k for single, 250k for couple) - could encourage me to continue to live in sin.

You didn't explain the medicare charge re: 401ks. Is this a proposal to treat drawn 401k income as earned income that has FICA taxes? There's no chance in hell that it's drawing on people's idle retirement accounts.

[rushmc 23]

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Already implimented
When you sell a house a 3% charge is taken to go to Medicare

Starting in 2013

A 3.5% charge can be taken from your 401k to fund Medicare

As your link noted, the first is a capital gains surcharge. Those income thresholds are a bit old (200k for single, 250k for couple) - could encourage me to continue to live in sin.

You didn't explain the medicare charge re: 401ks. Is this a proposal to treat drawn 401k income as earned income that has FICA taxes? There's no chance in hell that it's drawing on people's idle retirement accounts.

I just posted another snopes link that references page 59 of the AHCA

This is where that claim is coming from

I have heard that it will not touch it and I have heard if they have the number (which under you are required to give them) they can draw from it

I am still looking for the specific tax percentage

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[wlsc 0]

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The question isn't whether you want it to pass. The question is will it pass?

If it's not then Medicare for all Will. AKA a National Health Service. Which should have happened in the first place.

[kelpdiver 2]

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I just posted another snopes link that references page 59 of the AHCA

This is where that claim is coming from

I have heard that it will not touch it and I have heard if they have the number (which under you are required to give them) they can draw from it

I am still looking for the specific tax percentage

That snopes reference generally dismisses the claimant. If you search for references to 401k, you see penalties to the employer, but it has nothing to do with your 401k account.

[rehmwa 2]

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If you search for references to 401k, you see penalties to the employer, but it has nothing to do with your 401k account.

AND, frankly, let's just stop giving Congress and this president any new ideas about our retirement funds

you just know they are surfing this website for more ideas on money they can take - heck, Dreamdancer is likely sending them links

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If you search for references to 401k, you see penalties to the employer, but it has nothing to do with your 401k account.

AND, frankly, let's just stop giving Congress and this president any new ideas about our retirement funds

you just know they are surfing this website for more ideas on money they can take - heck, Dreamdancer is likely sending them links

Please don't dent the planet.

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No it doesn't, because I didn't argue anything.

I have long since stopped expecting you to be honest when you are proven wrong... I didn't expect you to be so open about it.

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Kallend: Apparently a majority of people polled LIKE the provisions

Me: Liking something has nothing to do with its Constitutionality.

Seems to me that you were trying to argue that people liked the provisions.

And my point is still valid that just because people LIKE it does not mean it is Constitutional.

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No it doesn't, because I didn't argue anything.

I have long since stopped expecting you to be honest when you are proven wrong... I didn't expect you to be so open about it.

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Kallend: Apparently a majority of people polled LIKE the provisions

Me: Liking something has nothing to do with its Constitutionality.

Seems to me that you were trying to argue that people liked the provisions.

And my point is still valid that just because people LIKE it does not mean it is Constitutional.

And once again you snip out the part of the post that provides context. Do try to be honest.

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And once again you snip out the part of the post that provides context. Do try to be honest.

This from you.... AWESOME

Please show your proof.

You claimed people liked it, I claimed that does not make it CONSTITUTIONAL.

[kallend 2,027]

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And once again you snip out the part of the post that provides context. Do try to be honest.

This from you.... AWESOME

Please show your proof.

You claimed people liked it, I claimed that does not make it CONSTITUTIONAL.

And in which post EXACTLY did I disagree with that? Post number in the thread, please?

My comment about LIKING it was in response to lawrocket's comments about DISLIKING. Comments that YOU SNIPPED so as to change the context.

So stop snipping the context out of your responses in order to make it seem that you have a point when you don't. It's poor debating style, easy to refute, and just makes you look dishonest.

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... EXACTLY ..I disagree with that....
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you are being really nice to him today

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[kallend 2,027]

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... EXACTLY ..I disagree with that....
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you are being really nice to him today

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[DaVinci 0]

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My comment about LIKING it was in response to lawrocket's comments about DISLIKING.

And my comment was that liking it or not has NOTHING to do with its CONSTITUTIONALITY.

And YOU replied to ME about THAT.

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So stop snipping the context out of your responses in order to make it seem that you have a point when you don't. It's poor debating style, easy to refute, and just makes you look dishonest.

Same to you.