Remember those London Riots?

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...The Met has confirmed that 20 police officers and one police staff member were now under investigation for alleged racist incidents. Of those under investigation, eight police officers and the member of police staff have now been suspended, Scotland Yard has said. At least three other officers have been placed on restricted duties.

Declaring in a statement that there was "no room for racism in the Met", Mackey said the new referrals had been made as part of a review of racism allegations. All had already been "in the process of being considered" by Scotland Yard, he said, while four complaints had been re-referred to the IPCC...

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So what? The Met was declared institutionally racist years ago, all this proves is that they're cleaning up their act. As for the riots that had bugger all to do with racism and everything to do with moronic greed and lack of civic duty. Only today a white millionaires daughter was found guilty of driving rioters about and handling stolen goods. What was the excuse for the 'student riots?' no Police racism required for the little shits to kick off there.

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...The report says officers were racially stereotyping African-Caribbean people as criminals, and thus disproportionately subjecting them to stop and search. It says officers were exercising the power without having the legal requirement of having reasonable suspicion that the person stopped was involved in crime: "Many police officers make the illegitimate step in their minds from 'black people are disproportionately involved in crime' to 'the black person I am about to stop and search is likely to be a criminal' without consideration of the other factors necessary to establish sufficient 'reasonable grounds'.

"This completely understandable mistake amounts to racially stereotyping black people as criminals and this will be portrayed by some of our critics as deliberate police racism of the 'racial hatred' variety."

African-Caribbean people are more likely to be victims rather than perpetrators of crime, the report adds. "In fact, a small minority of black people are committing a large number of criminal offences whilst the vast majority of black people are law-abiding (and there are sound socio-economic reasons why that small minority are drawn into crime). With black people also disproportionately represented amongst victims of crime, a young black person stopped and searched at random is statistically more likely to have been a victim of crime than be a currently active criminal."...

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in other london riot news

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/breaking-news/millionaires-daughter-faces-jail-over-london-riots/story-e6freuz9-1226320417650

A MILLIONAIRE'S daughter could go from a life of privilege to prison after being found guilty of driving a gang of balaclava-clad looters on a seven-hour burglary spree during last year's London riots.

Laura Johnson, 20, was found guilty of burglary and handling stolen goods, and could reportedly be sentenced to a maximum of 14 years in prison.

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Afro-carabean people in London are stopped more often because they commit much higher crime rates than other ethnicities.

Look at the figures...
http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4166073#4166073

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...It recently emerged that 30.7 per cent of the UK's young black males are unemployed, a significant finding [the overall rate of unemployment is 8.4 per cent]. But how does the problem here compare with the US? The answer is that we fare worse on every count. A paper due to be presented at the British Sociological Association’s annual conference today shows that in the last three recessions, unemployment among black British men was up to 15 per cent higher than among those in the US...

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You are right it is a very worrying statistic. It also needs investigating further as generally speaking young black males go to the same schools as young white males who statistically do better at school. It seems to me that there is a cultural problem relating to eduction among the black population of the UK.
However, unemployment and poor educational attainment aside, it seems to me that if the majority of street crime in London is disproportionately committed by young black men and women it seems rational that this group be stopped disproportionately. The black community in London needs to sort itself out, shop the criminals and clean up their community.

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If you said this in the U.S. you would be branded as a Racist by the lefties.

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You are right it is a very worrying statistic. It also needs investigating further as generally speaking young black males go to the same schools as young white males who statistically do better at school. It seems to me that there is a cultural problem relating to eduction among the black population of the UK.
However, unemployment and poor educational attainment aside, it seems to me that if the majority of street crime in London is disproportionately committed by young black men and women it seems rational that this group be stopped disproportionately. The black community in London needs to sort itself out, shop the criminals and clean up their community.

If this is your attitude (after you've edited it up a bit) then don't whine when you get the inevitable street riots sparked off by racist police.

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So what is it you actually disagree with and why? Also if this is a race issue why was there so many white working and middle class rioters arrested?

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If you said this in the U.S. you would be branded as a Racist by the lefties.

No doubt the same would be said by some in the UK, I'm not a racist but I am a realist. Whats the point of stopping and searching old age pensioners for street crime when the victim states that they were robbed by a young black male? Chances are pretty high that the victim of the street crime is also black. That isn't racism thats simply the hard fact of the matter.

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If this is your attitude (after you've edited it up a bit) then don't whine when you get the inevitable street riots sparked off by racist police.

As the Met Commissioner said yesterday 'There is no place for racism in the Met Police' the Police have a difficult job but until the young black population of London (12%) stop committing the majority of street crime then I for one have no problem with them being stopped disproportionately. Once stopped the conduct of the police should be polite, professional and robust where required.

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If you said this in the U.S. you would be branded as a Racist by the lefties.

No doubt the same would be said by some in the UK, I'm not a racist but I am a realist. Whats the point of stopping and searching old age pensioners for street crime when the victim states that they were robbed by a young black male? Chances are pretty high that the victim of the street crime is also black. That isn't racism thats simply the hard fact of the matter.

I'm not disagreeing with you at all. I'm just saying that here in the U.S. the lefties would accuse you of supporting racial profiling. There are many left-wingers right here on this website that would attack me as a racist if I said exactly what you just said. look at the comments on the Trayvon Martin thread where they accuse GZ, a hispanic male who has been involved in assisting blacks, as being a racist. They even had to invent a new word for him once it was discovered his mother was hispanic and his father was white.

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If you said this in the U.S. you would be branded as a Racist by the lefties.

No doubt the same would be said by some in the UK, I'm not a racist but I am a realist. Whats the point of stopping and searching old age pensioners for street crime when the victim states that they were robbed by a young black male? Chances are pretty high that the victim of the street crime is also black. That isn't racism thats simply the hard fact of the matter.

It doesn't matter...you are expressing your opinion and giving facts that reflect negatively against the black community, therefore you are a racist. Remember, in today's society you're only allowed to speak in rainbows and jellybeans about minorities.

Furthermore, if you don't acknowledge that there was some type of racist conspiracy in the development of society to force blacks into poverty and a life of crime, then you're really racist...

You can't win with people like wlsc...it's all about race race race - and they just use it as a source of blackmail to get whatever it is they want regardless of the reality of the situation.

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

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...Britain's highest-ranking police officer has vowed to become an "implacable enemy" of racists at Scotland Yard, saying he will "drive them out of the Met".

The Metropolitan police commissioner, Bernard Hogan-Howe, also said inquiries into 10 allegations of racism against the force would be finished within four weeks.

The police chief was confronted on a radio show by the brother of black bus driver Kester David, whose suspicious death in 2010 is to be reinvestigated by the force.

In a recording played to Hogan-Howe, Roger David said: "I think your force needs to buck up its ideas and realise that black and ethnic people are here in Britain, we're part of society and we request and demand the same kind of treatments as white people in Britain...

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Yes he was on the Nick Ferrari show on LBC, I was listening to it live. Did Kester David die illegally? I don't know I'm sure it will come out in the investigation if he did. Its not unusual for the loved ones of people who die in any kind of institution to look for someone to blame. I know Nurses who have had allegations of negligence resulting in the death patient in their care levelled at them by grieving relatives only to be totally exonerated on inquiry. Only time will tell on that one.
As for his brothers request and demand the same kind of treatments as white people in Britain' generally I'd say thats what they get. If a person is robbed on the high street and the description is a white male 19-30 years old wearing a hoodie and a white male fitting that description is seen in the area the Police will stop them.
If there wasn't so many black youths involved in street crime then they wouldn't be stopped and searched when a description of someone male black and wearing a hoodie with his jean crotch around his knees mugs someone around the corner. Unfortunately young black male wearing a hoodie and 'jail jeans' is the typical description of a mugger all to often.
Unfortunately that description fits the majority of London's black male youth in which case there is little point in Police stopping white youths when they have a description like the one above.
If you go to the whiter areas of London you'll find white youth getting stopped by the Bill as well.

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So racist police stopping and searching black folks on a whim, abusing them, bullying them, calling them names is OK with you. As long as they don't do it to white folks.

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If they fit the description, then it's not racial profiling. The describer/victim might be inaccurate, but that testimony is generally the only thing the police have to go on in robberies and such.

It's profiling if the victim says "I don't know what he looked like" and they only stop black people, or if the TSA doesn't know of any specific threats, but they only pull over for interrogation young Arab-looking men, or if 80% of their "speeding stops" are black men, when only 20% of the overall population is black men.

Yeah, black men might be speeding more than white grannies. But that big a discrepancy is ridiculous.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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What's happening is that the police are creating crimes. Black folks are getting stopped and searched many, many times over while at the same time being verbally abused. If they answer back they're arrested. It's past racial profiling it's at such a level it's out and out racial abuse. And it's been going on for years.

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It's not robbers they're after.

...An African-Caribbean person is up to 27 times more likely than a white person to be stopped by police using those powers.

The Met said officers would be told to focus less on stopping people for small amounts of cannabis, and instead focus on those suspected of violent offences and carrying weapons.

The force aims to reduce by half searches for drugs where none are subsequently found...

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You can't win with people like wlsc...it's all about race race race - and they just use it as a source of blackmail to get whatever it is they want regardless of the reality of the situation.

In my experience people like wlsc are usually only happy when you humbly apologize for being white. I could be wrong, of course, but he/she seems like some one who rants a lot about The White Man.

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So racist police stopping and searching black folks on a whim, abusing them, bullying them, calling them names is OK with you. As long as they don't do it to white folks.

Clearly not. As I have already stated

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Once stopped the conduct of the police should be polite, professional and robust where required.

As previously stated the Met does stop white people where the description of a criminal fits the subject. As with black people I have equally no problem with that either.

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So racist police stopping and searching black folks on a whim, abusing them, bullying them, calling them names is OK with you. As long as they don't do it to white folks.

Wow that's certainly not what I read there.

You can't be drunk all day if you don't start early!

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So racist police stopping and searching black folks on a whim, abusing them, bullying them, calling them names is OK with you. As long as they don't do it to white folks.

Clearly not. As I have already stated.

But that's what's happening in reality. A black person (not a robber) will get stopped and searched many, many times more than a white person. During that stop they will be abused and expected not to answer back. You seem to be quite happy with that. If white folks were stopped and searched at a similar rate (and they are just as criminal as anyone else) they would be up in arms. Or rioting.

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I have no problem with people of any colour being stopped by the Police and questioned so long as the Police are acting within the law and have good reason to stop the indeviduals. Respect is a two way street, regardless of colour if you back chat the Police then don't be suprised if they take more of an interest in you than if you lose the attitude. As for more black people being stopped than white people I refer you to the posts already given, if 10-12% of the population are responsible for:

67% of detected Gun crime
54% of street crimes, including muggings, assault with intent to rob and snatching property
32% of all sex crimes

in London are down to black men.. and

45% of knife crime
58% of gun crime committed by females
52% of robberies committed by females

in London are down to black women, then what percentage of the population in London is comprised of black people?

Answer:

Black or Black British: Black Caribbean 4.3%
Black or Black British: Black African 5.5%
Black or Black British: Other Black 0.8%
Total 10.6%

Source: ONS mid-2007 Ethnic Group Population Estimates
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When 10.6% (12% Tops) of the population are responsible for 67% of Gun crime, 54% of street crimes, including muggings, assault with intent to rob and snatching property and 32% of all sex crimes. Them being 6 time more likely to be stopped isn't racism its justifiably to be expected on the hard figures alone. More black supects leads to more black people being stopped. The black community needs to sort out the criminals in their midst or stop bleating about the amount of times they get stopped. Can't have it both ways.

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