Why we need Voter ID laws

[rehmwa 2]

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Asking for ID to vote should be required... And free ID's should be given to those that do not have any other ID.

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This would seem a reasonable solution.

If it passes, I can't wait for the extreme left to then propose that free temporary IDs must be given out at the polls, upon solely verbal request, with all translators made freely available (just in case) on voting day

It would really simplify things, you won't need a bill to show residency, or someone to vouch, or anything.

If you have an ID, just vote. If you don't, you can get your ID, and then vote.

Of course, having to take the extra step will then be argued to be a disparity of effort and thus, amazingly unfair.......

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[Andy9o8 2]

Yeah, ok. When that shit happens I will burn a bonfire of flags to justify more solutions to problems that don't exist except in the minds of a-skeered people.

[rhaig 0]

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you totally missed out on one aspect of the campaign then. the "it's all bush's fault, so elect anyone else" and they assumed that McCain would be just like Bush. They didn't account for the fact that Obama was just as much of a puppet.

No. You missed the point. Bush wasn't running. "Anyone else" was all there was.

then you were absent or not paying attention during the campaign as the claim was that McCain was just like Bush (oh wait, I just said that above... you just aren't reading what I type)

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Rob

[Gravitymaster 0]

Breathtaking, really.....

[rehmwa 2]

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Yeah, ok. When that shit happens I will burn a bonfire of flags to justify more solutions to problems that don't exist except in the minds of a-skeered people.

no no no - you have to have the right to take someone else's flag and burn it - apparently that's freedom of speech - not just theft and vandalism

if you burn your own private property, no one will interview you - unless it's a photo ID

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[marks2065 0]

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Yeah, ok. When that shit happens I will burn a bonfire of flags to justify more solutions to problems that don't exist except in the minds of a-skeered people.

Kinda how many feel about global warming that is not real.

[Andy9o8 2]

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Yeah, ok. When that shit happens I will burn a bonfire of flags to justify more solutions to problems that don't exist except in the minds of a-skeered people.

Kinda how many feel about global warming that is not real.

You're under arrest by the bad analogy police.

[rushmc 23]

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Your vote is also worth nothing if offset by a dead person or illegal voter

Sure, and if that were actually happening, then we might need to crack down. It's not, so why the rush to pass laws that will disproportionately affect poor people?

No, no one is affected



http://pjmedia.com/jchristianadams/2012/05/16/53000-dead-voters-found-in-florida/

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I have learned that Florida election officials are set to announce that the secretary of state has discovered and purged up to 53,000 dead voters from the voter rolls in Florida

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But surely people aren’t voting in the names of dead voters, the voter fraud deniers argue. Wrong.


Keaton
Consider the case of Lafayette Keaton. Keaton not only voted for a dead person in Oregon, he voted for his dead son. Making Keaton’s fraud easier was Oregon’s vote by mail scheme, which has opened up gaping holes in the integrity of elections. The incident in Oregon just scratches the surface of the problem. Massachusetts and Mississippi are but two other examples of the dead rising on election day.

Florida should be applauded for taking the problem seriously, even if Eric Holder’s Justice Department and many state election officials don’t.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[davjohns 1]

I try not to declare things as fact when I didn't witness it. So, I went to my trusty 'google' and put in "voter fraud". It gave me a list of articles relating how different states are convicting people, have a problem, etc. I looked up Alabama seperately because I am from there.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/10/us/10fraud.html?pagewanted=all

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/minnesota-leads-the-nation-in-voter-fraud-convictions-131782928.html

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/286557/yes-virginia-there-really-voter-fraud-hans-von-spakovsky#

http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2012/apr/17/greg-abbott/greg-abbott-claims-50-election-fraud-convictions-2/

http://www.electionintegritywatch.com/documents/2011-Report-Voter-Fraud-Convictions.pdf

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/opinion/jack-kelly/voter-fraud-is-real-224753/

Interestingly, the last article claims an INCREASE in minority turnout to vote after ID was required.

It seems that voter fraud is real and frequent. Whether it bothers you or not is another matter.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[rushmc 23]

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I try not to declare things as fact when I didn't witness it. So, I went to my trusty 'google' and put in "voter fraud". It gave me a list of articles relating how different states are convicting people, have a problem, etc. I looked up Alabama seperately because I am from there.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/10/us/10fraud.html?pagewanted=all

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/minnesota-leads-the-nation-in-voter-fraud-convictions-131782928.html

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/286557/yes-virginia-there-really-voter-fraud-hans-von-spakovsky#

http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2012/apr/17/greg-abbott/greg-abbott-claims-50-election-fraud-convictions-2/

http://www.electionintegritywatch.com/documents/2011-Report-Voter-Fraud-Convictions.pdf

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/opinion/jack-kelly/voter-fraud-is-real-224753/

Interestingly, the last article claims an INCREASE in minority turnout to vote after ID was required.

It seems that voter fraud is real and frequent. Whether it bothers you or not is another matter.

Whether it bothers me?

Really? Being legal is only important if it bothers me?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[wmw999 2,447]

Kind like speeding, right?

I agree that voter fraud is different from speeding, but if legality is the primary objection, I hope that you're using up as much indignation on speeding, which contributes to traffic accidents and fatalities.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[rushmc 23]

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Kind like speeding, right?

I agree that voter fraud is different from speeding, but if legality is the primary objection, I hope that you're using up as much indignation on speeding, which contributes to traffic accidents and fatalities.

Wendy P.

Yes, I do

When I have gotten stopped I was polite and took and paid the ticket I deserved.

You?

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This attitude indicated emotion and what you feel is more important than the rule of law

Am I reading you correctly?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[wmw999 2,447]

Of course. My question wasn't about whether you were polite when stopped, it was more about whether you are as indignant about people breaking the speeding laws as bout them breaking the voter laws.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[davjohns 1]

Rush...wasn't directed at you. Yours was just the last post and I hit 'reply'. I did some down and dirty research to see if there appeared to be a problem and posted what I found. Some people are offended by voter fraud on here. Others appear to not care. I have no idea what your position is and did not mean to indicate such. Sorry for any confusion. - David

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[rushmc 23]

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Of course. My question wasn't about whether you were polite when stopped, it was more about whether you are as indignant about people breaking the speeding laws as bout them breaking the voter laws.

Wendy P.

Where is the indignation?

You want dead people to vote?

I don't

What reason could anyone have to support that?

And Wendy, it is a bad analogy to begin with

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[davjohns 1]

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Kind like speeding, right?

I agree that voter fraud is different from speeding, but if legality is the primary objection, I hope that you're using up as much indignation on speeding, which contributes to traffic accidents and fatalities.

Wendy P.

Wendy - I'm just as indignant about speeding. I would love to have those little automated speed traps all over the place. People need to obey the rules or work to get them changed. Those people on the road who drive like lunatics because they are so much more important than the rest of us, leave the house late and have to be at work NOW, just annoy me. - David

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[rushmc 23]

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Rush...wasn't directed at you. Yours was just the last post and I hit 'reply'. I did some down and dirty research to see if there appeared to be a problem and posted what I found. Some people are offended by voter fraud on here. Others appear to not care. I have no idea what your position is and did not mean to indicate such. Sorry for any confusion. - David

No problem as I just wanted to understand

The whether is bothers me or not comment still is confusing to me

The rule of law is what counts


I see following the law as becoming a real problem for our government

Holder is ignoring the Fast and Furious

Lawrocket posted with a story that shows a judge striking down the new law that gave the army the power to arrest and hold people. This is a good thing but who or what will force the army to pay attention in the end?

The DOJ ingoores our imigration laws

The President has instructed the DOJ not to inforce the defense of marriage law. (Now the pres and DOJ get to pick which laws they like and dont?


If we start picking to abide by those laws we like, where are we headed?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[davjohns 1]

Some people herein are responding that voter fraud is not a big enough problem to require voters to identify themselves. It seems to me that if you are going to have an election, you should take steps to protect the integrity thereof. But that's just me.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[DanG 1]

I haven't seen anybody objecting to voters having to identify themselves. That's a right wing talking point. It's the methods of identification that garner objection. If the ID is free and easily obtainable, most people don't have a problem with it.

- Dan G

[wmw999 2,447]

The issue, of course, is that if the ID is free and easily obtainable, what good is it? And if it's not free and easily obtainable, then yes, it does discriminate against people who are poor, have transportation issues, or can't stand in lines.

The signers didn't imagine cities with millions of people who didn't know each other. Of course, they do exist, don't they.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[rushmc 23]

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I haven't seen anybody objecting to voters having to identify themselves. That's a right wing talking point. It's the methods of identification that garner objection. If the ID is free and easily obtainable, most people don't have a problem with it.

I guess the dead have no problem identifying themselves when it comes to voting so why care?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

Did you even read my response? You need to get your jerky knee looked at.

- Dan G

[rushmc 23]

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Did you even read my response? You need to get your jerky knee looked at.

I responded to it

Seems like your knee hit you in the mouth

But I know, I know, everything has got to be easy or it shouldnt be done

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[davjohns 1]

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I haven't seen anybody objecting to voters having to identify themselves. That's a right wing talking point. It's the methods of identification that garner objection. If the ID is free and easily obtainable, most people don't have a problem with it.

I've only looked at the Alabama and Georgia provisions. Both provide for free ID. I think most voter ID laws provide for a free ID (only reasonable).

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[DanG 1]

What part of sniping about dead voters was responsive to my comment about the objections to voter ID law implementation?

And I never said that things had to be easy, I said that the ID should be easy to obtain. That means not requiring multiple trips to a remote office, multiple forms to be filled out, restrictive office hours, etc. Yes, that part should be easy. I have no idea what else you were attempting to communicate, as usual.

- Dan G