RonD1120 62 #51 May 13, 2012 Quote atheist sneeze - nothing happens when you die Ron wait until the 4 minute mark Oh CRAP! You got me. You got me good. Too funny.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #52 July 4, 2012 QuoteThis nation was founded on Christian beliefs…………..I would like to see OUR Constitution read and followed. Then you can start by reading the Constitution yourself. Nowhere in the Constitution is there any mention of "Christian beliefs". In fact there is only on one mention of religion in document. “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion” QuoteLet it be known OUR Constitution, OUR Christian beliefs and OUR way of life are not up for debate. I agree with on the Constitution but you beliefs and way of life are debatable big time. By the way I too am a Vietnam Vet and it does not give me the right to slander the beliefs of others any more than it does you. This country gives you the right to live your life anyway you see fit, within limits, but it does not give you the right to dictate to others how to live theirs. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rwieder 0 #53 July 4, 2012 QuoteThe problem being that their worship actively includes my death, the deaths of my family and the destruction of everything I hold dear. Ron: Why would you possibly be wary, or fear anything, or anyone. Lay it at the foot of the cross my brother. Dont sweat the small stuff the head cheese is steady on watch. You take Care, God Bless. -Richard- QuoteI'd like to respond to www999's remark ***Is it OK for Muslims to worship in the US? Buddhists? Etc? Why not? it's July 4th. Unlike many other unsavory unfriendly hateful countries full of cultures that absolutely HATE us just b/c we're Americans. What happens regarding this matter is simply not up to us. I've worked in many countries and there's a lot of hateful people there, but you'd be surprised to how many of them are actually are really friendly and anxious to strike up new relationships. -Richard- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #54 July 4, 2012 QuoteI too am a Vietnam Vet and it does not give me the right to slander the beliefs of others How about the dozens of atheists here that "slander" the beliefs of others everyday, do they have the right? Funny how you don't so nobly speak out against them. ...and is it really slander? Are they forbidden to speak their opinion based on selective quotes and assumptions of what one is implying?Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #55 July 4, 2012 QuoteQuoteI too am a Vietnam Vet and it does not give me the right to slander the beliefs of others How about the dozens of atheists here that "slander" the beliefs of others everyday, do they have the right? Funny how you don't so nobly speak out against them. ...and is it really slander? Are they forbidden to speak their opinion based on selective quotes and assumptions of what one is implying? Your regular spinning of other people's positions is as over-the-top and twisted here as it tends to be regularly. You may convince yourself, but that's the extent of it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #56 July 4, 2012 QuoteYour regular spinning of other people's positions Like what?Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #57 July 4, 2012 QuoteQuoteThis nation was founded on Christian beliefs…………..I would like to see OUR Constitution read and followed. Then you can start by reading the Constitution yourself. Nowhere in the Constitution is there any mention of "Christian beliefs". In fact there is only on one mention of religion in document. “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion” QuoteLet it be known OUR Constitution, OUR Christian beliefs and OUR way of life are not up for debate. I agree with on the Constitution but you beliefs and way of life are debatable big time. By the way I too am a Vietnam Vet and it does not give me the right to slander the beliefs of others any more than it does you. This country gives you the right to live your life anyway you see fit, within limits, but it does not give you the right to dictate to others how to live theirs. Sparky[/reply Welcome home and, thank you for your service. I'm not sure where you are going. The words quoted are from my friend's article. I cannot dictate to anyone how they live their lives. However, I can disagree with how they live their lives.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RonD1120 62 #58 July 4, 2012 QuoteQuoteThe problem being that their worship actively includes my death, the deaths of my family and the destruction of everything I hold dear. Ron: Why would you possibly be wary, or fear anything, or anyone. Lay it at the foot of the cross my brother. Dont sweat the small stuff the head cheese is steady on watch. You take Care, God Bless. -Richard- Right on. I admit I maintain personal weapons and ammo. I seek a safe enclave in the mountains for when and if the poo-poo is in the fan. I support our military and their mission to the GWOT. I believe these are the end times and all is according to God's plan. I cannot help falling back on the Boy Scout motto, "Be prepared." Thanks for the good word.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ibx 2 #59 July 4, 2012 QuoteI admit I maintain personal weapons and ammo. I seek a safe enclave in the mountains for when and if the poo-poo is in the fan. I support our military and their mission to the GWOT. I believe these are the end times and all is according to God's plan. I cannot help falling back on the Boy Scout motto, "Be prepared." Jesus was a result of the belief that his was the end time. The Jews during the roman rule were all waiting for a messiah, the heir of David if you so will. There where a few messiahs back then by the way, and if Paul hadn't gone all crazy for Jesus, Jesus would have been just another zelot who was crucified by the romans to keep the palestinian people in line. I don't understand the whole passion thing anyway, Ron maybe you can give some insight. Why was Jesus death so special ? He was killed and tortured in exactly the same way as normal thiefs and murders. But somehow Jesus suffering saved humantiy. The suffering of everybody else was of course deserved or in vain or whatever. Realising this when I was 8 years old was my first step to becoming an atheist since I believe all people are the same and the suffering of one person can not be that much important than the suffering of someone else. But you will say: it's different because Jesus was God's son somehow, born normally raised as a caprenter. But somehow you know that this dude was Gods son. Do you really think a couple of guns and stash of food is going to help you through the end times? If you are so sure about an existing afterlife then why do you not embrace the end of time or death as however it may come to you, since you as a believer you will surely go directly to heaven.... Why try and survive if the end of time has obviously arrived... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,027 #60 July 4, 2012 Why is the Christian right always pushing for the enactment of laws that force their morality on everyone else?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RonD1120 62 #61 July 4, 2012 Maybe because the Liberal Left is doing the same thing. Yin Yang and all that you know.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RonD1120 62 #62 July 4, 2012 QuoteQuoteI admit I maintain personal weapons and ammo. I seek a safe enclave in the mountains for when and if the poo-poo is in the fan. I support our military and their mission to the GWOT. I believe these are the end times and all is according to God's plan. I cannot help falling back on the Boy Scout motto, "Be prepared." Jesus was a result of the belief that his was the end time. The Jews during the roman rule were all waiting for a messiah, the heir of David if you so will. There where a few messiahs back then by the way, and if Paul hadn't gone all crazy for Jesus, Jesus would have been just another zelot who was crucified by the romans to keep the palestinian people in line. I don't understand the whole passion thing anyway, Ron maybe you can give some insight. Why was Jesus death so special ? He was killed and tortured in exactly the same way as normal thiefs and murders. But somehow Jesus suffering saved humantiy. The suffering of everybody else was of course deserved or in vain or whatever. Realising this when I was 8 years old was my first step to becoming an atheist since I believe all people are the same and the suffering of one person can not be that much important than the suffering of someone else. But you will say: it's different because Jesus was God's son somehow, born normally raised as a caprenter. But somehow you know that this dude was Gods son. Do you really think a couple of guns and stash of food is going to help you through the end times? If you are so sure about an existing afterlife then why do you not embrace the end of time or death as however it may come to you, since you as a believer you will surely go directly to heaven.... Why try and survive if the end of time has obviously arrived... If you are an atheist I doubt anything I say will be acceptable to you. I don't expect to survive the end times. I expect to be raptured before the wrath of God. Who knows? I will do my best to protect my family while the battle is raging. Jesus' death was special and noteworthy because of His resurrection. I know you don't accept that.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dmcoco84 5 #63 July 4, 2012 The Words of a True Leader: George Washington Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness – these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked, "where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice?" And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle. I am so tired of hearing about Reagan... he's still a raging (Hollywood) progressive in my book. He was no Washington... Conservatism = Federalism principles + Christian beliefs forced on everyone else. QuoteQuoteThis nation was founded on Christian beliefs. Bullshit. Correct... Christian values... not beliefs. Values. QuoteAs opposed to that commie pinko George Washington: ============== As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries. ============== Well, it's not like he helped found the country or anything, so what does he know. Correct... God, not Religion. Or more specifically... the "religion of America." And its not, Christianity. I love how many on this board have spoken about how "God" is not in the Constitution... while you then have Ginsburg saying she would not look to the US Constitution if drafting a new government... ...she would look to the S. 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RonD1120 62 #58 July 4, 2012 QuoteQuoteThe problem being that their worship actively includes my death, the deaths of my family and the destruction of everything I hold dear. Ron: Why would you possibly be wary, or fear anything, or anyone. Lay it at the foot of the cross my brother. Dont sweat the small stuff the head cheese is steady on watch. You take Care, God Bless. -Richard- Right on. I admit I maintain personal weapons and ammo. I seek a safe enclave in the mountains for when and if the poo-poo is in the fan. I support our military and their mission to the GWOT. I believe these are the end times and all is according to God's plan. I cannot help falling back on the Boy Scout motto, "Be prepared." Thanks for the good word.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ibx 2 #59 July 4, 2012 QuoteI admit I maintain personal weapons and ammo. I seek a safe enclave in the mountains for when and if the poo-poo is in the fan. I support our military and their mission to the GWOT. I believe these are the end times and all is according to God's plan. I cannot help falling back on the Boy Scout motto, "Be prepared." Jesus was a result of the belief that his was the end time. The Jews during the roman rule were all waiting for a messiah, the heir of David if you so will. There where a few messiahs back then by the way, and if Paul hadn't gone all crazy for Jesus, Jesus would have been just another zelot who was crucified by the romans to keep the palestinian people in line. I don't understand the whole passion thing anyway, Ron maybe you can give some insight. Why was Jesus death so special ? He was killed and tortured in exactly the same way as normal thiefs and murders. But somehow Jesus suffering saved humantiy. The suffering of everybody else was of course deserved or in vain or whatever. Realising this when I was 8 years old was my first step to becoming an atheist since I believe all people are the same and the suffering of one person can not be that much important than the suffering of someone else. But you will say: it's different because Jesus was God's son somehow, born normally raised as a caprenter. But somehow you know that this dude was Gods son. Do you really think a couple of guns and stash of food is going to help you through the end times? If you are so sure about an existing afterlife then why do you not embrace the end of time or death as however it may come to you, since you as a believer you will surely go directly to heaven.... Why try and survive if the end of time has obviously arrived... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #60 July 4, 2012 Why is the Christian right always pushing for the enactment of laws that force their morality on everyone else?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #61 July 4, 2012 Maybe because the Liberal Left is doing the same thing. Yin Yang and all that you know.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #62 July 4, 2012 QuoteQuoteI admit I maintain personal weapons and ammo. I seek a safe enclave in the mountains for when and if the poo-poo is in the fan. I support our military and their mission to the GWOT. I believe these are the end times and all is according to God's plan. I cannot help falling back on the Boy Scout motto, "Be prepared." Jesus was a result of the belief that his was the end time. The Jews during the roman rule were all waiting for a messiah, the heir of David if you so will. There where a few messiahs back then by the way, and if Paul hadn't gone all crazy for Jesus, Jesus would have been just another zelot who was crucified by the romans to keep the palestinian people in line. I don't understand the whole passion thing anyway, Ron maybe you can give some insight. Why was Jesus death so special ? He was killed and tortured in exactly the same way as normal thiefs and murders. But somehow Jesus suffering saved humantiy. The suffering of everybody else was of course deserved or in vain or whatever. Realising this when I was 8 years old was my first step to becoming an atheist since I believe all people are the same and the suffering of one person can not be that much important than the suffering of someone else. But you will say: it's different because Jesus was God's son somehow, born normally raised as a caprenter. But somehow you know that this dude was Gods son. Do you really think a couple of guns and stash of food is going to help you through the end times? If you are so sure about an existing afterlife then why do you not embrace the end of time or death as however it may come to you, since you as a believer you will surely go directly to heaven.... Why try and survive if the end of time has obviously arrived... If you are an atheist I doubt anything I say will be acceptable to you. I don't expect to survive the end times. I expect to be raptured before the wrath of God. Who knows? I will do my best to protect my family while the battle is raging. Jesus' death was special and noteworthy because of His resurrection. I know you don't accept that.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 5 #63 July 4, 2012 The Words of a True Leader: George Washington Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness – these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked, "where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice?" And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle. I am so tired of hearing about Reagan... he's still a raging (Hollywood) progressive in my book. He was no Washington... Conservatism = Federalism principles + Christian beliefs forced on everyone else. QuoteQuoteThis nation was founded on Christian beliefs. Bullshit. Correct... Christian values... not beliefs. Values. QuoteAs opposed to that commie pinko George Washington: ============== As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries. ============== Well, it's not like he helped found the country or anything, so what does he know. Correct... God, not Religion. Or more specifically... the "religion of America." And its not, Christianity. I love how many on this board have spoken about how "God" is not in the Constitution... while you then have Ginsburg saying she would not look to the US Constitution if drafting a new government... ...she would look to the S. African Constitution. Yet, that Constitution, DOES directly recognize God. That's about as dumb as Pelosi saying you have to have healthcare to pursue happiness... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
