jclalor 12 #1 May 14, 2012 http://sports.yahoo.com/news/phoenix-school-forfeits-game-due-203607060--spt.html They should be allowed to believe in anything they like, they should also be denied the privilege to compete in any state high school baseball league. Maybe they could get a pick-up game going with the Duggar boys. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #2 May 14, 2012 Quotethey should also be denied the privilege to compete in any state high school baseball league. Why? The team that didn't want to play against a girl forfeited the game - they only hurt their own team. So why do you feel that they should they be further punished, for refusing to play a game and taking a default loss? Seems like every other team in the league could put at least one girl on their team, and thereby improve their record automatically by one win. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #3 May 15, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuotethey should also be denied the privilege to compete in any state high school baseball league. Why? If they are unwilling to compete against all eligible league teams, they should not be allowed to compete at all. They took away the experience of the other school's well earned right to compete for the championship. Perhaps they could form their own league with other like-minded Catholic, Mormon, and Islamic schools. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #4 May 15, 2012 Quote http://sports.yahoo.com/news/phoenix-school-forfeits-game-due-203607060--spt.html They should be allowed to believe in anything they like, they should also be denied the privilege to compete in any state high school baseball league. Maybe they could get a pick-up game going with the Duggar boys. Another example of a PC'ness gay marriage world Which( if you dont get it) is sad at best"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #5 May 15, 2012 Quote If they are unwilling to compete against all eligible league teams, they should not be allowed to compete at all. They took away the experience of the other school's well earned right to compete for the championship. I tend to agree with this. They didn't withdraw for a legitimate reason. And since (it seems from vague article) that Mesa beat them twice already with the girl sitting out, that the school is using this to dodge losing for a third time. I remember in JR high in a soccer league winning a championship by forfeit. They had beaten us in league earlier in a rather controversial game where our coach had been tossed, one hand of god goal, etc. They didn't bother to tell us either- we showed up to play and there was no game. I can think of some valid reasons to pull out, but this isn't it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #6 May 15, 2012 Quote Another example of a PC'ness gay marriage world tired cliche of gays=girls. cowardice is taking a forfeit rather than losing to a girl. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #7 May 15, 2012 QuoteQuote Another example of a PC'ness gay marriage world tired cliche of gays=girls. cowardice is taking a forfeit rather than losing to a girl. Oh here we go Just funny really The real cowardice would be succumbing to those like you who would use political correctness to shut up the other side or try and embarrass them to doing you and yours would have them do (IE: playing the game against the own standards) Glad they ignored you cause they have more character than anyone who would try and change them with this PC bs Care to go another round?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #8 May 15, 2012 Quote The real cowardice would be succumbing to those like you who would use political correctness to shut up the other side or try and embarrass them to doing you and yours would have them do (IE: playing the game against the own standards) Glad they ignored you cause they have more character than anyone who would try and change them with this PC bs Care to go another round? sure - they are not showing any character here. No less than if they refused to play the game because there were minorities on the other team (ie, college football in the 60s in most of the south). Jcalor gave the solution - if they don't have the character to play these games, they can stay in their own sequestered league. But if they want the stature and benefits of playing in the big leagues, they have to deliver their end of the bargain too. On what fucked up world is avoiding competition a form of character? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #9 May 15, 2012 Quote Glad they ignored you cause they have more character than anyone who would try and change them with this PC bs Character? Character is not taking your ball and going home. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #10 May 15, 2012 Lack of character would be playing the game against your beliefs, principals or convictions. Which is what you and others pc zelots would have them do to support your lack thereof"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #11 May 15, 2012 QuoteThey took away the experience of the other school's well earned right to compete for the championship. You need to re-read that news story VERY carefully. The writer made it sound like the team with the girl was cheated out of the championship, and in fact, that is not what happened. All they got "cheated" out of was playing that one game. But the team got a "win" out of it on their record. And everything else, including their ability to play on in other championship games remained unaffected. Don't let biased writing fool you into believing something that is not true. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #12 May 15, 2012 Quotecowardice is taking a forfeit rather than losing to a girl. Courage is standing up for your beliefs, even if it costs you a default loss. The following is not an analogy about this news item, but is a story about moral conviction. In USMC boot camp my drill instructors believed in doing everything as a team, with everyone in the platoon. When it came to physical fitness (PT) contests between platoons, other drill instructors would "hide" their weaker recruits by sending them off to sick bay for fake illnesses. When it came time to drill competition, the other drill instructors "hid" their less coordinated recruits. They also swapped out their wood stock M-14's for fiberglass stocks, which was illegal, because fiberglass made a louder noise when slapped with the hand during drill, sounding more impressive. I respected my D.I.'s because we competed with everyone, as you would have to do in combat. We did the PT with our weak guys, and we did our drill with the guys that walked with limps and slow reflexes, and with wood stocks. Who had the most courage? The D.I.'s that cheated to improve their scores, or the D.I.'s that played it straight? My vote: Play it straight up, based upon your moral principles, and to heck with the cost. Better to come in 2nd and know you did your best, then to come in first, and know you got it only by cheating. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #13 May 15, 2012 QuoteQuoteThey took away the experience of the other school's well earned right to compete for the championship. You need to re-read that news story VERY carefully. The writer made it sound like the team with the girl was cheated out of the championship, and in fact, that is not what happened. All they got "cheated" out of was playing that one game. But the team got a "win" out of it on their record. And everything else, including their ability to play in other championship games remained unaffected. Don't let biased writing fool you into believing something that is not true. No one really wins in a championship decided by forfeiture. The winners lose. The forfeiters are super losers. The fans lose what should be a very high quality game at a level (high school) where mismatches are more common. It's the same as the person who gets a gold (or bronze) in the Olympics after the winner is disqualified. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #14 May 15, 2012 QuoteLack of character would be playing the game against your beliefs, principals or convictions. Which is what you and others pc zelots would have them do to support your lack thereof your reading comprehension sucks ass tonight. We've stated twice that they either play the game, or stay out of the leagues where they're unwilling to play every game. If this is the first time the situation has come up, they can submit their resignation, or the league should initiate eviction procedures. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #15 May 15, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuotecowardice is taking a forfeit rather than losing to a girl. Courage is standing up for your beliefs, even if it costs you a default loss. True courage would be refusing to join and participate in an orginization you believe is in conflict with your beliefs. But then again it's the Catholic church were talking about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #16 May 15, 2012 QuoteTrue courage would be refusing to join and participate in an orginization you believe is in conflict with your beliefs Yes, and these 15 year-old kids obviously have a choice with everything. I'm on both sides of this. First, you signed up to play the game. PLAY THE GAME. On the other hand, if you don't want to play then stand up for your beliefs and don't play. But if there were kids on that team that wanted to play, then what about them? There is no easy answer to this. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #17 May 15, 2012 Quote If they are unwilling to compete against all eligible league teams, they should not be allowed to compete at all. They took away the experience of the other school's well earned right to compete for the championship. QuoteI tend to agree with this. And that's fine. QuoteThey didn't withdraw for a legitimate reason. And that's not. Who are you to determine whether or not their reason is "legitimate" or not?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #18 May 15, 2012 QuoteQuote Another example of a PC'ness gay marriage world tired cliche of gays=girls. cowardice is taking a forfeit rather than losing to a girl. And now they are cowards? Un-freakin'-believable.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #19 May 15, 2012 Quote sure - they are not showing any character here. It takes character in good standing to stick to your beliefs in the face of people who would call you cowards. QuoteJcalor gave the solution... Nope. He gave HIS solution. I think it is a screwball one. Food for thought.... So, the other team played them twice? Without the girl? So, come championship time, the coach throws up the girl knowing the other team will forfeit and thereby snagging a championship for his resume'. I can see it. You 'd love that, eh?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #20 May 15, 2012 Quote Food for thought.... So, the other team played them twice? Without the girl? So, come championship time, the coach throws up the girl knowing the other team will forfeit and thereby snagging a championship for his resume'. I can see it. You 'd love that, eh? more like the girl earned a right to play in the championship game and he wasn't going to coddle the feelings of the nancy boys anymore. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #21 May 15, 2012 Quote QuoteThey didn't withdraw for a legitimate reason. And that's not. Who are you to determine whether or not their reason is "legitimate" or not? I'm content to say that in a public (or private for that matter) league, that sexism or racism are invalid reasons. Doesn't serve their own boys very well - the real world beckons and in college, close to 60% of them are women. Valid ones: 1- school or team just suffered horrific event like deaths of players/coaches. 2- school has concern for safety of players or fans attending the game. 3- school alleging opposition is cheating...maybe. (ie, ineligible players. Usually a concern in the Catholic leagues where recruiting out of area is big part) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 333 #22 May 15, 2012 Quote Quote Glad they ignored you cause they have more character than anyone who would try and change them with this PC bs Character? Character is not taking your ball and going home. They didn't have any balls. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 333 #23 May 15, 2012 Quote But if there were kids on that team that wanted to play, then what about them? Well, then they get a lesson. What they take away from that lesson will likely vary. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #24 May 15, 2012 Going into competition against your principals or morals is extreme lack of character. They, by example, showed principaled charcter at the highest level But, I guess we should let a 6'8" 260lb male play girls basket ball in your world He knows the boys team will not go anywhere so he gets into the girls program so he might get a state championship Now thats character "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #25 May 15, 2012 QuoteQuoteLack of character would be playing the game against your beliefs, principals or convictions. Which is what you and others pc zelots would have them do to support your lack thereof your reading comprehension sucks ass tonight. We've stated twice that they either play the game, or stay out of the leagues where they're unwilling to play every game. If this is the first time the situation has come up, they can submit their resignation, or the league should initiate eviction procedures. I did not miss a thing Your solutions are not solutions They are giving into the pc bs you support"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
