Phoenix school forfeits game due to female player

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Glad they ignored you cause they have more character than anyone who would try and change them with this PC bs

Character? Character is not taking your ball and going home.

They didn't have any balls.

Well, at least one of them, anyway.

For JohnRich: sarcasm

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
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[davjohns 1]

I like the story as it is.

The girl sat out two games out of respect for the other team's beliefs. That was an outstanding display of respect.

The team bowed out of the championship as a matter of belief and respect for women. They returned her gesture rather nicely if you ask me. Chivalrous, even.

Whether you agree with their definition of respect for women is irrelevant. They acted on their beliefs to nobody else's detriment. Having won their division, they earned the right to compete or not on their own terms.

I liken it to a knight refusing to joust with the King out of respect. It shows honor and moral courage.

The girl showed respect. The other team showed respect. I like baseball a little more after reading this story. It wasn't all about winning. Outstanding lessons to be had.

Some of us can admire and respect someone else's courage without fully agreeing to the moral code that lead them there.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[popsjumper 2]

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I'm content to say that in a public (or private for that matter) league, that sexism or racism are invalid reasons. Doesn't serve their own boys very well - the real world beckons and in college, close to 60% of them are women.

Valid ones:
1- school or team just suffered horrific event like deaths of players/coaches.
2- school has concern for safety of players or fans attending the game.
3- school alleging opposition is cheating...maybe. (ie, ineligible players....

Agreed. With the caveat that we are dealing with religious beliefs here and not sexism nor racism.
You can take racism out of your argument. It doesn't apply here and it's all to obvious that you are playing to emotion as opposed to intellect.

Are you sure that 60% of this school's enrollment are women? No? Then national averages, if that's what you mean, doesn't apply here.

Meh, I would have been content if they had played the game. But I do understand their reasoning for not....even if I don't entirely agree with it.

I'm surprised that no one has brought out the whole men vs women sports leagues. Women in men's leagues is OK. Men in women's leagues is not.

Gender-segregated leagues is not OK in the PC world.
It is in mine.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[popsjumper 2]

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We've stated twice that they either play the game, or stay out of the leagues where they're unwilling to play every game.

Please do not include me in your "we".
Any team, in any league, regardless of circumstances, may elect to forfeit. Obviously, you argument stems from your disagreement on the reason the team took that option.

Your disagreement on reasoning is fine. Your insistence that every team has to play every game is off-track.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[weekender 0]

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cowardice is taking a forfeit rather than losing to a girl.

Courage is standing up for your beliefs, even if it costs you a default loss.

True courage would be refusing to join and participate in an orginization you believe is in conflict with your beliefs.

But then again it's the Catholic church were talking about.

You have a case of misdirected animosity. They are not part of the RC Church.

From the article, "Our Lady of Sorrows is run by the U.S. branch of the Society of Saint Pius X. The group represents conservative, traditional priests who broke from the Catholic Church in the 1980s."

"The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird."
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[davjohns 1]

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cowardice is taking a forfeit rather than losing to a girl.

Courage is standing up for your beliefs, even if it costs you a default loss.

True courage would be refusing to join and participate in an orginization you believe is in conflict with your beliefs.

But then again it's the Catholic church were talking about.

I see lots of animosity in your posts here. I'm not sure I follow your suggestion that something very virtuous (true courage) is to follow YOUR beliefs by leaving the league. It seems almost the antithesis to me.

I wonder if your posts might be tinged by some abiding hatred of religious organizations. In this case, one that hurt nobody by doing what their beliefs demanded.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[Andy9o8 2]

So there you have it: it's cowardly, and it's courageous.

Glad we got that settled.

[kallend 2,027]

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Lack of character would be playing the game against your beliefs, principals or convictions. Which is what you and others pc zelots
would have them do to support your lack thereof

your reading comprehension sucks ass tonight. .

Fixed it.

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[DanG 1]

Would it be courageous if a school run by the KKK refused to play against teams that had blacks, Jews, or Catholics?

Why is this different? rushmc would argue it is different because women and men are not equal. Yes, I'm putting words in his mouth, but they were already most of the way in there already. Do you agree?

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[billvon 2,994]

>The real cowardice would be succumbing to those like you who would use political
>correctness to shut up the other side or try and embarrass them to doing you and
>yours would have them do (IE: playing the game against the own standards) Glad they
>ignored you cause they have more character than anyone who would try and change
>them with this PC bs

So if your child was on a team that did not allow blacks, and would not play any games against blacks, you'd be right there cheering the team on?

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I like the story as it is.

The girl sat out two games out of respect for the other team's beliefs. That was an outstanding display of respect.

The team bowed out of the championship as a matter of belief and respect for women. They returned her gesture rather nicely if you ask me. Chivalrous, even.

Whether you agree with their definition of respect for women is irrelevant. They acted on their beliefs to nobody else's detriment. Having won their division, they earned the right to compete or not on their own terms.

I liken it to a knight refusing to joust with the King out of respect. It shows honor and moral courage.

The girl showed respect. The other team showed respect. I like baseball a little more after reading this story. It wasn't all about winning. Outstanding lessons to be had.

Some of us can admire and respect someone else's courage without fully agreeing to the moral code that lead them there.

After re-reading the story several times; Your take on the story, seems the most accurate.

All the rest of our discussion is just showing our individual biases.

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

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Agreed. With the caveat that we are dealing with religious beliefs here and not sexism nor racism.

Sexism based on religious beliefs is still sexism.

[kelpdiver 2]

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I'm content to say that in a public (or private for that matter) league, that sexism or racism are invalid reasons. Doesn't serve their own boys very well - the real world beckons and in college, close to 60% of them are women.

You can take racism out of your argument. It doesn't apply here and it's all to obvious that you are playing to emotion as opposed to intellect.

Are you sure that 60% of this school's enrollment are women? No? Then national averages, if that's what you mean, doesn't apply here.

It's exactly the same thing. They wouldn't play because their (fucked up) beliefs make it wrong to play against a girl. Which is no different than refusing to play a team that has a black. We saw decades of the latter. The former is more rare for a variety of reasons. (will elaborate below)

I clearly stated that college overall is 60% women. Now perhaps these boys will continue to hide from the real world and go to seminary, thus never having to deal with actual women as equals.

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I'm surprised that no one has brought out the whole men vs women sports leagues. Women in men's leagues is OK. Men in women's leagues is not.

Gender-segregated leagues is not OK in the PC world.
It is in mine.

Let's clear up a few things
1- PC's date sticker expired in the early 90s.
2- It was a substitute for "liberal" as is ""dirty sticking hippie liberal" for people who couldn't articulate a real argument
3- it never had anything to do with competition.

I would say that in general, the "PC" crowd does believe in gender segregated leagues. Title IX would mandate that the league have an equally funded softball league, not that boys and girls play together.

I'm not a big fan of IX, but yes, this incident points out the barriers for girls and women in sport. The problem I have is that it assumes equal interest and thus division of funding whereas I would see it based on participation. In this case, allowing her to try out for the baseball team is the sound solution.

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>The real cowardice would be succumbing to those like you who would use political
>correctness to shut up the other side or try and embarrass them to doing you and
>yours would have them do (IE: playing the game against the own standards) Glad they
>ignored you cause they have more character than anyone who would try and change
>them with this PC bs

So if your child was on a team that did not allow blacks, and would not play any games against blacks, you'd be right there cheering the team on?

I must have missed the post about racism in this thread?

If not, I will just assume you are being silly and trying to change the direction of the thread because

because......


Hell I dont know why you would do it but, it is just what you do here

Now, back to gender discussions


Oh, and by the way

I would not allow my child to be on a team that would not play against, or play with people just because of race

But then you knew that. You just needed to change to topic

BTW, whould cheer on a 6'8" 240lb male playing of a girls basketball team just so he might get to play more?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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BTW, whould cheer on a 6'8" 240lb male playing of a girls basketball team just so he might get to play more?

if we truly believe in equality, then everyone but the sexist pigs

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[billvon 2,994]

>If not, I will just assume you are being silly and trying to change the direction of the thread . . .

So when you compare girls playing softball to gay marriage that's OK - but when I compare girls playing softball to blacks playing softball that's just silly and trying to change the direction of the thread. OK then.

>I would not allow my child to be on a team that would not play against, or
>play with people just because of race

Cool. (Of course, a right winger might well refer to people like you as "cowards who are succumbing to people who use political correctness to shut up the other side or try and embarrass them to doing what you want" - but that's life)

>BTW, whould cheer on a 6'8" 240lb male playing of a girls basketball
>team just so he might get to play more?

Nope. I generally don't go to basketball games. But if he played well with the team, and they wanted him on it - no problem.

Separate women's vs men's sports are something of an anachronism, and are starting to fade away as people realize that men and women really can play on the same courts together. There will probably always be some level of separate men's vs women's teams out of simple solidarity i.e. some women just like to play with other women. But I expect that as time goes on we see less and less of that.

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> simple solidarity i.e. some women just like to play with other women..

that's ok, they'll also get over their sexism some day

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[rushmc 23]

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>If not, I will just assume you are being silly and trying to change the direction of the thread . . .

So when you compare girls playing softball to gay marriage that's OK - but when I compare girls playing softball to blacks playing softball that's just silly and trying to change the direction of the thread. OK then.

>I would not allow my child to be on a team that would not play against, or
>play with people just because of race

Cool. (Of course, a right winger might well refer to people like you as "cowards who are succumbing to people who use political correctness to shut up the other side or try and embarrass them to doing what you want" - but that's life)

>BTW, whould cheer on a 6'8" 240lb male playing of a girls basketball
>team just so he might get to play more?

Nope. I generally don't go to basketball games. But if he played well with the team, and they wanted him on it - no problem.

Separate women's vs men's sports are something of an anachronism, and are starting to fade away as people realize that men and women really can play on the same courts together. There will probably always be some level of separate men's vs women's teams out of simple solidarity i.e. some women just like to play with other women. But I expect that as time goes on we see less and less of that.

So you infer that being anit racist is a topic within the discussion of being politically correct??????

Racism is a political correct issue????

Really?

So then eveyone else is a racist?


Where does that put you?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,027]

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Separate women's vs men's sports are something of an anachronism, and are starting to fade away as people realize that men and women really can play on the same courts together. There will probably always be some level of separate men's vs women's teams out of simple solidarity i.e. some women just like to play with other women. But I expect that as time goes on we see less and less of that.

Well, we wouldn't see too many women in, say the Olympic 100m track, or swimming, or high jump, or weight lifting or rowing or pole vault, or most other strength or speed events if women didn't have a separate contest of their own.

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[billvon 2,994]

>So you infer that being anit racist is a topic within the discussion of being
>politically correct?????? Racism is a political correct issue???? Really?
> So then eveyone else is a racist? Where does that put you?

What the heck are you talking about?

[rushmc 23]

But I expect that as time goes on we see less and less of that.

[billvon 2,994]

>Well, we wouldn't see too many women in, say the Olympic 100m track, or
>swimming, or high jump, or weight lifting or rowing or pole vault, or most
>other strength or speed events if women didn't have a separate contest of
>their own.

Agreed. And that's not the end of the world. I don't see that women not getting gold medals in weightlifting all that big of a deal.

[rushmc 23]

YOU brought in race. Then YOU posted this

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Cool. (Of course, a right winger might well refer to people like you as "cowards who are succumbing to people who use political correctness to shut up the other side or try and embarrass them to doing what you want" - but that's life)

YOU made race a pc issue

I dont see it that way

I see it as a real issue

(even though the left uses racism as weapon and over exagerates it)

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 2,994]

>YOU made race a pc issue

And you brought in gay marriage. So?

[kallend 2,027]

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>Well, we wouldn't see too many women in, say the Olympic 100m track, or
>swimming, or high jump, or weight lifting or rowing or pole vault, or most
>other strength or speed events if women didn't have a separate contest of
>their own.

Agreed. And that's not the end of the world. I don't see that women not getting gold medals in weightlifting all that big of a deal.

Well, it would be one more reason for young women and girls to decline to engage in healthy exercise. I suppose competitive crochet would have to do.

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