Phoenix school forfeits game due to female player

[popsjumper 2]

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What's clear is that you don't know about the effects of PC in today's world.

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... this non existent boogeyman....

Regardless of where you live, PC is alive and well....and causing problems.

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And there are exceptions. Pertinent to this discussion is this exception:
" this section shall not apply to any educational institution which is controlled by a religious organization if the application of this subsection would not be consistent with the religious tenets of such organization;"

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The girl did not attend the religious school that claimed God wouldn't allow them to play vs girls. She attended the other one. Fail.

Dude. We are talking about the other school...you know, the one that exercised it's option to forfeit?
No wonder you saw fail...you were off on the wrong school!

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Your opinion is in no way reality.

Can you show me one that IS reality?

Oh, so you noted my dig line?


No sense in carrying this on. You're getting angry now and discussion is over.

I'll let you have the last word, though

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
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Alternately, the girl agreed to sit out on the other team's field, for games that weren't especially important, but she wasn't willing to sit out the championship game, that she'd earn her spot in, just because the other team disapproved of her genitalia.

Blues,
Dave

Yep. I'd give a nod of respect to your beliefs but I'll be damned if I would sit out an opportunity to play in a championship game! Heck, it could be a once-in-a-lifetime event and I'd be out there swingin' away...just like she wanted to do.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
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[kelpdiver 2]

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Dude. We are talking about the other school...you know, the one that exercised it's option to forfeit?
No wonder you saw fail...you were off on the wrong school!

No. we were talking about Title IX and why she didn't have a softball team to play on instead of the boys baseball team.

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No sense in carrying this on. You're getting angry now and discussion is over.

I'm the angy one? Dude- you've been McCain+Grandpa Simpson for a few days straight.

[mr.walczak 0]

What a ridiculous story. If a girl wants to hang with the big boys let her play .. and for the other team throwing a fit because a woman is on the opposing team is ludacris! What a bunch of babies it's baseball who cares if theres a vagina on the field ?!?! Maybe she looked like amazon woman or was on roids .. That's my only reason I could see them not playing

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So it continues

What say you all?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/05/15/boy-field-hockey-star-deemed-too-good-to-play-can-play-committee-rules/

waiting for an opposing team to forfeit rather than play the boy. This district appears to have a process for determination. It may be an subjective one, but it wasn't made by a single or tiny group.

dude seriously? they are already talking about NOT even letting him play in the league, not just forfeit game.

Jack of all trades.
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[davjohns 1]

Yup. I see this leading us to a bad place. Women can play on men's teams, but men can't play on women's teams. How's that for 'equality'?

I can't say that segregation appeals to me. I just see many more problems with integration. I don't have the answer, but I think we might need to admit there are differences between the sexes that require some different rules.

We're having similar issues with the idea of women in combat. Some women might be able to do it. Most can't. Obviously, some men can't either. We just have to go with percentages. More men are going to be able to drag my shot up rear out of a foxhole and to the medics than women. When captured, I am more willing to live with a man being tortured than a woman. Etc.

In sports, are we going to integrate so that men compete against women in everything? Where do we draw the line?

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[wmw999 2,447]

I agree, it can lead us to a bad place, or at least some uncomfortable ones. Is it better to deny the capable person, or to enable the incapable?

America in particular has a strong precedent of saying that if you're capable, you can do anything. It's gotten around things like race issues by not considering (blacks/women/whatever) to be "fully human" like men are.

That thing of the intelligent white man defining what being a fully capable human is to Americans is a problem. A natural one, but still a problem. People need easy screens sometimes, but only in times where hurry is necessary -- making fast decisions when they're not necessary just leads to using stereotypes needlessly, and they become self-justifying.

How can a woman/black/whatever possibly do the job? They never have, and there must be a reason!

There are real differences in physical structure. Setting up classes based on physical capabilities in physical jobs might be one way around that, but every job has different ways of getting the same thing done.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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Yup. I see this leading us to a bad place. Women can play on men's teams, but men can't play on women's teams. How's that for 'equality'?

I can't say that segregation appeals to me. I just see many more problems with integration. I don't have the answer, but I think we might need to admit there are differences between the sexes that require some different rules.

We're having similar issues with the idea of women in combat. Some women might be able to do it. Most can't. Obviously, some men can't either. We just have to go with percentages. More men are going to be able to drag my shot up rear out of a foxhole and to the medics than women. When captured, I am more willing to live with a man being tortured than a woman. Etc.

In sports, are we going to integrate so that men compete against women in everything? Where do we draw the line?

Good point on the combat thing, im an 03 in the Marine Corps... and I am currently at a course where I am working with female marines for the first time in my life. The simple fact, is they are different, hence the different standards for females on all the physical fitness tests used. Segregation between the sexes isn't a moral issue, it's biological. There are some females in my gym that are physical specimens, but its far from the norm. One thing I've noticed, is females tend to want equality in treatment, pay and opportunity, but not in standards. Personally I don't think there should be female and male standards for the military, only one. There competing for the same jobs, same pay, ect... why should they have lower standards?

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[wmw999 2,447]

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There competing for the same jobs, same pay, ect... why should they have lower standards?

If it's for the same primary job, then as long as the standards are realistic, there should only be one set.

I tried to get a job as a mechanic once. I was told I was ineligible, because their mechanic trainees had to be able to lift entire engines onto shelves 6 ft. off the floor.

Yeah, right.

So I became a rocket scientist instead

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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There competing for the same jobs, same pay, ect... why should they have lower standards?

If it's for the same primary job, then as long as the standards are realistic, there should only be one set.

I tried to get a job as a mechanic once. I was told I was ineligible, because their mechanic trainees had to be able to lift entire engines onto shelves 6 ft. off the floor.

Yeah, right.

So I became a rocket scientist instead

Wendy P.

Who gets to determine the "realistic" standard?

The standards in the, military have been lowed several times in school environments to allow females to pass the entrance tests. But once out in the "real world" environment, they are not as prepared in some cases. There are some who can meet the same standards as the males, but they appear to be a small statistic.

At some point we need to acknowledge that the standards for males in certain fields should also be the fields standard. Then the field can be opened to all, and all who pass can work in it.

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

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Another example of a PC'ness gay marriage world

tired cliche of gays=girls.

cowardice is taking a forfeit rather than losing to a girl.

Oh here we go

Just funny really

The real cowardice would be succumbing to those like you who would use political correctness to shut up the other side or try and embarrass them to doing you and yours would have them do (IE: playing the game against the own standards) Glad they ignored you cause they have more character than anyone who would try and change them with this PC bs

Care to go another round?

Since when was playing a sport against a girl (very non contact at that) an issue with standards? You make it sounds like they were forced to steal something, rob somebody, etc, etc.

Apologies for the spelling (and grammar).... I got a B.S, not a B.A. :)

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Lack of character would be playing the game against your beliefs, principals or convictions. Which is what you and others pc zelots
would have them do to support your lack thereof

Wow.... so if it was my schools belief that we shouldn't play any baseball teams that had a minority on it, then we would have character?

wwwwwwooooooowwwwww...... really, wow is all I can say to that.

Apologies for the spelling (and grammar).... I got a B.S, not a B.A. :)

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Lack of character would be playing the game against your beliefs, principals or convictions. Which is what you and others pc zelots
would have them do to support your lack thereof

Wow.... so if it was my schools belief that we shouldn't play any baseball teams that had a minority on it, then we would have character?

wwwwwwooooooowwwwww...... really, wow is all I can say to that.

Been over that

you need to catch up

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[wmw999 2,447]

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There are some who can meet the same standards as the males, but they appear to be a small statistic.

At some point we need to acknowledge that the standards for males in certain fields should also be the fields standard. Then the field can be opened to all, and all who pass can work in it.

Absolutely.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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There are some who can meet the same standards as the males, but they appear to be a small statistic.

At some point we need to acknowledge that the standards for males in certain fields should also be the fields standard. Then the field can be opened to all, and all who pass can work in it.

Absolutely.

Wendy P.

And to be fair, there are fields where the standard is set by women. The Japanese have long used women in factories working with small parts because women are more adept at it. There are several professional areas that spring to mind where I would expect women's inherent strengths to prevail.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

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And to be fair, there are fields where the standard is set by women. The Japanese have long used women in factories working with small parts because women are more adept at it. There are several professional areas that spring to mind where I would expect women's inherent strengths to prevail.

this includes some military situations, though perhaps more applicable to WWII era warfare. Women have a edge in survival endurance, likely due to the higher reserves of body fat.

[rushmc 23]

***The Obama Department of Justice has reportedly ordered the University of Arkansas at Ft. Smith (UAFS) to allow a male student to use women’s bathrooms on campus. Campus Reform reports that a male student who calls himself “Jennifer Braly,” and is in the process of raising money to pay for his sex-reassignment surgery, filed a complaint with the Office of Civil Rights in the Department of Justice after the campus told him to use gender-neutral bathrooms rather than women’s restrooms.


“Someone saw me using the women’s public restrooms and complained,” said Braly. “[O]ne problem to this is there are not unisex bathrooms in every building. Especially the two main buildings where most of my classes are, so I have to go to a completely different building to use the restroom.” The university had offered to turn more gender-specific bathrooms into gender-neutral bathrooms. Braly filed the complaint anyway.



Mark Horn, vice president of university relations, said that the DOJ “basically made its expectations through the attorney and the decision was made to respond to that direction … [the] DOJ complaint caused revisiting of our thinking … In the eyes of the law this individual is entitled to use the bathroom that she identifies with.” Women on campus have complained about Braly using the female restrooms.



Braly is anatomically male. He is also 36 years old, and has been married twice, and has a biological daughter with his second ex-wife. The DOJ has refused to release the letter in question.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln